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    WikiLeaks releases draft of highly-secretive multi-national trade deal

    No wonder they kept it secret. What a malicious piece of US corporate lobbying. TPP is about world domination for US corporations. Nothing else. We will stop this madness in New Zealand,” he told RT’s Andrew Blake.
    According to WikiLeaks, the Obama administration and senior heads of state from other potential TPP nations have expressed interest in ratifying the agreement before 2014.
    http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/



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    This is disturbing and is BIG news! People better start paying attention!!
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    This is disturbing and is BIG news! People better start paying attention!!
    It's only 1 chapter out of 29. Imagine what is in the other 28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Support Freedom, stop free trade! Yeah, makes total sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Support Freedom, stop free trade! Yeah, makes total sense!
    Just think about PATRIOT and other government agendas that are just the opposite of what their name implies.
    Now think about stopping that agenda

    Now does that make more sense?

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    Hmmm.

    Wonder if this'll make "the newz"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Just think about PATRIOT and other government agendas that are just the opposite of what their name implies.
    Now think about stopping that agenda

    Now does that make more sense?
    A little, but sometimes I'm not sure what people are opposing. Is the message "Support free trade, but stop the free trade agenda because it's not real free trade" and "Patriots oppose USA PATRIOT Act" or "Oppose free trade, and free trade agenda" and "Unpatriotic and proud of it"?



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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Support Freedom, stop free trade! Yeah, makes total sense!
    The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a free trade agreement.
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    Yes, Ron Paul Opposes "Free Trade" Agreements


    Ron Paul: Oppose Free Trade Agreements



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLRuMHAK_w

    Ron Paul says Free Trade Agreements erode National sovereignty, destroy jobs, and only serves the special interests. So-called "Free Trade" is Government-managed trade.



    Henry Kissinger: NAFTA, the Architecture for the New World Order



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKKwZl1BTxk

    Henry Kissinger: NAFTA -- it will represent the most creative step towards a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the cold war. The revolution sweeping the Western hemisphere points to an international order based on cooperation. It is this revolution that is at stake in the ratification of NAFTA. What congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement, but the Architecture of a new international system - Los Angeles Times, 1993
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    NY Times Endorses the TPP's Corporate Coup d'état ...

    Abby Martin talks about the New York Times' bizarre endorsement of the Trans Pacific Partnership, a multi-nation trade deal that is being negotiated by corporations behind closed doors and kept secret from the public.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    It's only 1 chapter out of 29. Imagine what is in the other 28.
    Indeed. This news really warrants people to pay attention.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    NY Times Endorses the TPP's Corporate Coup d'état ...

    Abby Martin talks about the New York Times' bizarre endorsement of the Trans Pacific Partnership, a multi-nation trade deal that is being negotiated by corporations behind closed doors and kept secret from the public.

    Abby Martin hates profits! <s>
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    A little, but sometimes I'm not sure what people are opposing. Is the message "Support free trade, but stop the free trade agenda because it's not real free trade" and "Patriots oppose USA PATRIOT Act" or "Oppose free trade, and free trade agenda" and "Unpatriotic and proud of it"?
    Yeah, I think you've got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Indeed. This news really warrants people to pay attention.
    I've been warning about this since 2012.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    A little, but sometimes I'm not sure what people are opposing. Is the message "Support free trade, but stop the free trade agenda because it's not real free trade" and "Patriots oppose USA PATRIOT Act" or "Oppose free trade, and free trade agenda" and "Unpatriotic and proud of it"?
    Ron Paul calls "Free Trade" agreements by their actual name: "Government-Managed Trade" agreements.
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    Can this meme, intellectual property, ever be altered back to state enforced monopoly. How can a non-existent entity be created out of nothing and become part of the vernacular? There is no IP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibForestPaul View Post
    Can this meme, intellectual property, ever be altered back to state enforced monopoly. How can a non-existent entity be created out of nothing and become part of the vernacular? There is no IP.
    Abolishing "Intellectual Property rights" is a losing argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Abolishing "Intellectual Property rights" is a losing argument.
    There is no such thing as intellectual property. There is nothing to abolish, There is no right.
    I was going to ask you to show me where this term Intellectual Property existed pre-1800. I googled it myself...

    John McLean, ...
    "Congress, then, by this act, instead of sanctioning an existing right, as contended, created it."[3] McLean also rejected Wheaton's contention that requiring registration and the other conditions of the law were improper. Congress was giving Wheaton and other creators a special protection and it was not unreasonable to expect them to observe the formalities, the Court ruled.
    Does this make it any cleare for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibForestPaul View Post
    There is no such thing as intellectual property. There is nothing to abolish, There is no right.
    I was going to ask you to show me where this term Intellectual Property existed pre-1800. I googled it myself...

    John McLean, ...

    Does this make it any cleare for you.
    I'm telling you, too many people have too much invested in IP. You need to have a better argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a free trade agreement.
    Actually,, it is called a free trade agreement. But it is not free trade.

    It is a managed trade agreement.. And a very restrictive trade agreement...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Ron Paul calls "Free Trade" agreements by their actual name: "Government-Managed Trade" agreements.
    What would an actual example of free trade be, and how exactly would it be any better at "not destroying jobs, not eroding sovereignty, not serving special interests"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Actually,, it is called a free trade agreement. But it is not free trade.

    It is a managed trade agreement.. And a very restrictive trade agreement...
    and if it were actually free trade, what would it look like? would you be for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    and if it were actually free trade, what would it look like? would you be for it?
    It would look like individuals and companies trading good and services. The government doesn't need to get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Actually,, it is called a free trade agreement. But it is not free trade.

    It is a managed trade agreement.. And a very restrictive trade agreement...
    lol, I forgot the "quotes" I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    What would an actual example of free trade be, and how exactly would it be any better at "not destroying jobs, not eroding sovereignty, not serving special interests"?
    Actual Free trade..
    No government involvement,, no restrictions. No nothing,, but individuals that wish to buy and sell goods and services,, without restrictions.

    The only example I could give is the Black Market.. But honest Free Trade would do away with any Black Market.
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    Other secondary/independent media is covering this, Democracy Now coverage: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/...s_secret_trade

    video:
    http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1114.mp4

    LORI WALLACH: Well, free trade is a pretty theory, but as yesterday’s WikiLeaks showed, the TPP has very little to do with free trade. So, only five of the 29 chapters of the agreement even have to do with trade at all. What’s in that intellectual property chapter? What the Cato Institute would call rent seeking—governments being lobbied by special interests to set up special rules that give them monopolies to charge higher prices. What does that mean for you and me? In that agreement, we now can see the United States is pushing for longer monopoly patents for medicines that would increase the prices here. They’re looking for patenting things like surgical procedures, making even higher medical costs. They’re looking to patent life forms and seeds. And with respect to copyright, the U.S. positions are actually even undermining U.S. law. So, for Internet freedom, if you didn’t like SOPA, the Stop Online Piracy Act, the domestic law that Congress and amazing citizen activism killed last year when it was attempted to be pushed here domestically, huge chunks of SOPA are pushed through the backdoor of this intellectual property chapter.

    Now, what the heck is that doing in a free trade agreement? I would imagine the Cato Institute is also wondering: Are Adam Smith and David Ricardo, the free trade philosophers, rolling in their graves? Because that is protectionism. This is patent monopolies. This is copyright extensions. This is actually exactly what Bill just talked about, which is powerful special interests—Big Pharma, Disney and the other big-content guys—undermining us as consumers—our access to the Internet, our access to affordable medicine—and they’re using their power to put that into an agreement that they’ve got misbranded as "free trade." That’s what’s the real TPP. So maybe, actually, we agree, between the consumer group Public Citizen and Cato, that what’s in TPP, whatever you think about free trade, ain’t so good for most of us.


    AMY GOODMAN: Lori Wallach, what most surprised you about seeing the TPP agreement for the first time yesterday, you know, the WikiLeaks leak?


    LORI WALLACH: Well, first of all, this is extraordinarily secret. I’ve followed these negotiations since 1991 with NAFTA. And during NAFTA, any member of Congress could see any text. In fact, the whole agreement between negotiating rounds was put in the Capitol, accessible for them to look at. In 2001, the Bush administration published the entire Free Trade Area of the Americas text, when it was even in an earlier stage than TPP is right now, on government websites. They’ve even excluded members of Congress from observing the negotiations. I mean, this is extraordinary.

    And so, to me, what was the most horrifying, I would say, is the ways in which the U.S. negotiators are using this agreement to try and rewrite U.S. law. I mean, I find it morally repugnant and outrageous that the U.S. negotiators be pushing Big Pharma’s agenda to raise medicine prices for the developing countries in the TPP. People in Vietnam, in all the developing countries that have HIV/AIDS, that have malaria, they need access to generic medicines, and this would cut it off. But they’re actually doing it also to us. So, to the extent, theoretically, they’re sort of supposed to be representing our interests, it would make cancer drugs in this country more expensive. Evergreening of patents, changing just a little tweaky thing, the six-hour versus 12-hour version of a medicine, you get 20 more years of monopoly. Also undermining our Internet freedom by rewriting U.S. law? There’s language in there where U.S. law says there’s an exception for liability for U.S. Internet service providers. The U.S. is the only country in that bracket that’s saying, "No, we shouldn’t allow that in TPP." It’s backdoor diplomatic legislating.

    And that ties into that business with fast track. Why were—and it’s now 27 Republican members, because there was a second letter that came out of the Republicans, and 151 Democrats—why were they all saying together, in the last 36 hours, "No fast-track trade process. We don’t want to give away our constitutionally granted authority over trade policy"? And a big piece of the reason is, the left and right in Congress may disagree on what the policies should be, but they actually believe that, constitutionally, Congress gets to write our legislation. So the notion of this backdoor legislating, that we saw actually revealed in this WikiLeak, is precisely what is uniting, animating congressional outrage at the notion that after being left out of these negotiations uninformed, somehow they should volunteer to handcuff themselves so they can be thoroughly steamrollered and have even their legislating authority undermined through this so-called trade agreement. That’s really a backdoor coup d’état on domestic policymaking.
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    I'm glad the right-wing and left-wing can come together to fight this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    I'm glad the right-wing and left-wing can come together to fight this.
    This remains to be seen. I've yet to hear anything from our representatives or their relative cheerleaders in the mainstream media about any of this. Many of whom receive a lot of money from these multi-nationals to espouse their propaganda and legislate their will...even on a global scale, as these revelations reveal.

    Frank, what do you think I'll see if'n I go turn on msnbc, cnn or fox right this second? My guess is some romper room fodder relevant to some hurry up and get elected narrative.

    Media stands to benefit from this greatly from this skullduggery so don't expect them to say anything. Nope. Crickets chirping...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    I'm glad the right-wing and left-wing can come together to fight this.
    That would be nice,,

    But they will do it anyway. TPTB want it.. and they will have it despite any resistance.
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