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    Just a short rant...

    Where are the Republicans saying this? They should be making a full court press repeating this simple fact. When I Google "Obamacare I told you so" I see about two pages of Democrat shilling.

    This opportunity is quickly slipping from their fingers, once the website is fixed we will start hearing about all the success stories.
    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% [the same on issues]." Ron Paul



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    Republican and Conservative News sources are having a field day reporting the epic failure of Obamacare's website and signup numbers.

    Where are you looking exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Republican and Conservative News sources are having a field day reporting the epic failure of Obamacare's website and signup numbers.

    Where are you looking exactly?
    Mainstream media that is not the case online. What really pissed me off was that NBC News did not call the President out over his lie. Perhaps that is why they had an exclusive interview with him?
    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% [the same on issues]." Ron Paul

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    The whole health care law was modeled after a Republicans plan. A Republican who they just nominated for their party's presidential candidate in 2012. So their "I told you so"s are going to fall on deaf ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Vitus View Post
    The whole health care law was modeled after a Republicans plan. A Republican who they just nominated for their party's presidential candidate in 2012. So their "I told you so"s are going to fall on deaf ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Vitus View Post
    The whole health care law was modeled after a Republicans plan. A Republican who they just nominated for their party's presidential candidate in 2012. So their "I told you so"s are going to fall on deaf ears.
    No Republican developed a Federal Healthcare plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    No Republican developed a Federal Healthcare plan.
    The health insurance mandate in the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is an idea hatched in 1989 by Stuart M. Butler at Heritage in a publication titled "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans". This was also the model for Mitt Romney's health care plan in Massachusetts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritag...licy_influence

    The idea that mainstream Republicans are against Obamacare is absurd. It's political theater. What is their latest position?

    "It's the law, really really sorry 'bout that but suck it up"

    The Repubs knew that if they passed a law that mandated everyone to buy corporate insurance without a public option the Democrats would have revolted, marched on the Capitol and refused to participate.

    So they had their brothers in arms pass the law, and they got lucky that some grinning 2 bit con artist was in the lead because he can make people faint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoluntaryAmerican View Post
    Mainstream media that is not the case online. What really pissed me off was that NBC News did not call the President out over his lie. Perhaps that is why they had an exclusive interview with him?
    MSM is pretty much all liberal. They really have no conservatives, other than FOX News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    MSM is pretty much all liberal. They really have no conservatives, other than FOX News.
    And strangely enough, "Liberal" now means drone bombing weddings, mandatory insurance purchases and total surveillance from cradle to grave. It's a circus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    And strangely enough, "Liberal" now means drone bombing weddings, mandatory insurance purchases and total surveillance from cradle to grave. It's a circus.
    The Socialists hijacked the Democrat Party and the term "liberal" in the 1960s to push their big government policies.





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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    MSM is pretty much all liberal. They really have no conservatives, other than FOX News.
    That's exactly why the Republicans should force their hand...

    Take it to the town hall circuit, make it so loud that the MSM can't block it out. They aren't doing that.
    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% [the same on issues]." Ron Paul

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    Maybe the Republicans haven't figure out how to get the message through the liberal medial phalanx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    And strangely enough, "Liberal" now means drone bombing weddings, mandatory insurance purchases and total surveillance from cradle to grave. It's a circus.
    And higher taxes.

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    The problem for the Republicans is that they have no alternative. They can scream and holler about Obamacare all they want, but they have nothing to offer when it fails. Health care was broken BEFORE Obamacare and it would still be broken if it were repealed. As most of us know, the fix is to get government out of healthcare, but the Republicans as currently constituted are simply not going there because they are largely crony-capitalist puppets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    The problem for the Republicans is that they have no alternative. They can scream and holler about Obamacare all they want, but they have nothing to offer when it fails. Health care was broken BEFORE Obamacare and it would still be broken if it were repealed. As most of us know, the fix is to get government out of healthcare, but the Republicans as currently constituted are simply not going there because they are largely crony-capitalist puppets.
    Here's your alternative

    http://blog.heritage.org/2013/11/01/...-to-obamacare/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    The problem for the Republicans is that they have no alternative. They can scream and holler about Obamacare all they want, but they have nothing to offer when it fails. Health care was broken BEFORE Obamacare and it would still be broken if it were repealed. As most of us know, the fix is to get government out of healthcare, but the Republicans as currently constituted are simply not going there because they are largely crony-capitalist puppets.
    To be honest, I didn't particularly like what Ron Paul had to say about it, either. Health savings accounts and allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines is great and all, but it doesn't get to the basis of the problem and as you said, that's going to require getting government totally out of the healthcare business.
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    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    JC denten clone?
    I'll stick my neck out here for a fellow Wino fan: no, he isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    JC denten clone?
    He's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptLouAlbano View Post
    That's no alternative at all. Nothing about removing the impediments to supply, nothing about eliminating subsidies. They miss the crux of the problem because they need to protect the crony-capitalism that runs healthcare. The Heritage foundation is still stuck on the idea that more insurance is the answer - just like they were when they invented Obamacare. The lack of insurance is NOT the problem!!!!! It is the outlandish COST of health services that is the problem and that is caused by government. Spreading the cost around through insurance doesn't solve the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    That's no alternative at all. Nothing about removing the impediments to supply, nothing about eliminating subsidies. They miss the crux of the problem because they need to protect the crony-capitalism that runs healthcare. The Heritage foundation is still stuck on the idea that more insurance is the answer - just like they were when they invented Obamacare. The lack of insurance is NOT the problem!!!!! It is the outlandish COST of health services that is the problem and that is caused by government. Spreading the cost around through insurance doesn't solve the problem.
    I haven't read through the paper, but you stated that no one is offering an alternative, which is factually incorrect. Whether or not you like the proposal, is moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoluntaryAmerican View Post
    Just a short rant...

    Where are the Republicans saying this? They should be making a full court press repeating this simple fact. When I Google "Obamacare I told you so" I see about two pages of Democrat shilling.

    This opportunity is quickly slipping from their fingers, once the website is fixed we will start hearing about all the success stories.
    Maybe you did not realize this, but there has long been speculation that Google puts a leftist slant on its search results.

    I can't prove it, but I believe I've seen it. I was looking for a particular study that indicated that minimum wages drove up unemployment. I has successfully searched and found it in the past with no problem, but a couple of months ago I sought it out again and the results I got were noticeably different than in the past, in that the first 3 pages were blogs and editorials all claiming just the opposite.

    I understand that there are papers written to support both theories, but i had never before been inundated with only one position.

    And right on cue, Congress started talking about raising the minimum wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    The health insurance mandate in the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is an idea hatched in 1989 by Stuart M. Butler at Heritage in a publication titled "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans". This was also the model for Mitt Romney's health care plan in Massachusetts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritag...licy_influence
    It's been pointed out over and over again that this Democrat talking point is mostly a liberal lie. So by all means, keep repeating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    It's been pointed out over and over again that this Democrat talking point is mostly a liberal lie. So by all means, keep repeating it.
    Forbes, Newt and Romney (and anyone that can read) disagree:

    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate
    Avik Roy 10/20/2011 Forbes.com
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

    James Taranto, who writes the Wall Street Journal’s excellent “Best of the Web” column, put forth a lengthy and informative discussion yesterday on the conservative origins of the individual mandate, whose inclusion in Obamacare is today its most controversial feature on the Right.

    This came up at Tuesday’s Western Republican Leadership Conference Debate, where Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich tussled on the question:

    ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

    GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

    ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

    GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

    ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

    GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.

    (CROSSTALK)

    ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

    GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

    ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

    ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

    GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

    ROMNEY: OK.
    Taranto, who employs the royal “we” in his column, writes that he was there when the Heritage Foundation was promoting the mandate:

    "Heritage did put forward the idea of an individual mandate, though it predated HillaryCare by several years. We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage’s plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal “quality, affordable health care.”

    As a junior publicist, we weren’t being paid for our personal opinions. But we are now, so you will be the first to know that when we worked at Heritage, we hated the Heritage plan, especially the individual mandate. “Universal health care” was neither already established nor inevitable, and we thought the foundation had made a serious philosophical and strategic error in accepting rather than disputing the left-liberal notion that the provision of “quality, affordable health care” to everyone was a proper role of government. As to the mandate, we remember reading about it and thinking: “I thought we were supposed to be for freedom.”

    The plan was introduced in a 1989 book, “A National Health System for America” by Stuart Butler and Edmund Haislmaier. We seem to have mislaid our copy, and we couldn’t find it online, but we did track down a 1990 Backgrounder and a 1991 lecture by Butler that outline the plan. One of its two major planks, the equalization of tax treatment for individually purchased and employer-provided health insurance, seemed sensible and unobjectionable, at least in principle.

    But the other was the mandate, described as a “Health Care Social Contract” and fleshed out in the lecture.

    Stuart Butler’s lecture describes what the Heritage’s mandate would look like:

    “We would include a mandate in our proposal–not a mandate on employers, but a mandate on heads of households–to obtain at least a basic package of health insurance for themselves and their families. That would have to include, by federal law, a catastrophic provision in the form of a stop loss for a family’s total health outlays. It would have to include all members of the family, and it might also include certain very specific services, such as preventive care, well baby visits, and other items.

    Taranto points out that the Heritage mandate was less onerous than the Obamacare one, as it focused on coverage for catastrophic illness, rather than the comprehensive health plans that Obamacare requires. “On the other hand, Butler’s vague language—‘it might also include certain very specific services…and other items’—would seem to leave the door wide open for limitless expansion,” he writes. “Whatever the particular differences, the Heritage mandate was indistinguishable in principle from the ObamaCare one. In both cases, the federal government would force individuals to purchase a product from a private company—something that Congress has never done before.”

    In the multi-state Obamacare constitutional challenge before the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, in which the individual mandate was overturned, Taranto points out that the Obama Administration cited the Heritage Foundation in its defense of the individual mandate. Heritage, in response, filed an amicus brief accounting for its “prior support for a qualified mandate” and asserting that Heritage has been “consistent” in its view of the constitutionality of a mandate:

    If citations to policy papers were subject to the same rules as legal citations, then the Heritage position quoted by the Department of Justice would have a red flag indicating it had been reversed. . . . Heritage has stopped supporting any insurance mandate.

    Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA. Since then, a growing body of research has provided a strong basis to conclude that any government insurance mandate is not only unnecessary, but is a bad policy option. Moreover, Heritage’s legal scholars have been consistent in explaining that the type of mandate in the PPACA is unconstitutional.

    Taranto isn’t completely buying it: “From the Butler quote above, it seems to us that the brief overstates the extent to which the proposed Heritage mandate was ‘limited,’” he writes. “But it is clear that Heritage has repudiated the idea of an individual mandate… All these years later, it pleases us that our erstwhile employer has come around.”

    But Taranto speaks for many on the Right when he describes his mixed feelings about Mitt Romney’s embrace of the individual mandate:

    But it worries us that Mitt Romney, who may well be the next president, lacked the instinct to be offended by the idea when it crossed his desk in Boston. To be sure, the legal distinction he makes between state and federal individual mandates is a sound and principled one. We would be hard-pressed to devise a theory under which the U.S. Constitution precludes state-level insurance mandates. And because of ObamaCare’s enduring unpopularity, we don’t even fear that Romney will flip-flop on this after taking office.

    But the next time a think tank or a blue-ribbon commission comes up with an idea this bad, can we trust President Romney to reject it?
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoluntaryAmerican View Post
    This opportunity is quickly slipping from their fingers, once the website is fixed we will start hearing about all the success stories.
    If you would like to place a bet on the possibility of that outcome, I will happily take your money. They cannot fix this.
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    From 2 weeks ago:

    Washington (CNN) - The White House isn't in damage-control mode solely over a bad health care website.

    As the Obama administration is trying to calm concerns across the country from Americans being dropped from their current plans, Republicans on Capitol Hill are saying, "We told you so."
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...we-told-you-so

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    The GOP is too busy trying to buy democrats some time for their near- politically-fatal implementation of a disastrous healthcare overhaul.

    Seriously, the "Keep your health plan" Act should have been called the "Keep the really shitty part of Obamacare from taking effect until after the 2014 election" Act. The GOP is either stupid or . . . yeah, I'm thinking they're stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    No Republican developed a Federal Healthcare plan.
    Bullshit.
    Nixon
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...on_Act_of_1973

    and Reagan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergen...tive_Labor_Act

    And every one up to and including Bush
    MMA
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicar...ernization_Act

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