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Thread: ESPN Guest Rails Against The Star Spangled Banner as 'War Anthem'

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    ESPN Guest Rails Against The Star Spangled Banner as 'War Anthem'

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/espn-gues...as-war-anthem/

    Fantastic! Hopefully this reached a few boobs watching.
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    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism



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    Ugh, those comments on that site :/ I think it was great that Blackistone put it out there, but it sure is going to get a lot of idiots and meat heads all riled up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpperDecker View Post
    Ugh, those comments on that site :/ I think it was great that Blackistone put it out there, but it sure is going to get a lot of idiots and meat heads all riled up.
    they are blocking comments that defend the guy with any type of vigor. So yeah..

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

    FWIW, personally I prefer "America the Beautiful"(not a war anthem) for a national anthem.

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    I went over to the article expecting to disagree with you guys, but nope, I totally agree with what the guy said and the sentiment in this thread thus far.
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    Heroic.

    Sadly though the effect he's talking about is working against him. All of the pro-military nationalism that's been cultivated in sports is coming after him on twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=...kistone&s=typd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

    FWIW, personally I prefer "America the Beautiful"(not a war anthem) for a national anthem.
    I prefer this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertomics View Post
    I prefer this.
    Different strokes for different folks. To each his own.



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    err, the British were attacking Baltimore. Now we are supposed to cheer on the British empire military machine? Yikes!

    Self-defense is a natural right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

    FWIW, personally I prefer "America the Beautiful"(not a war anthem) for a national anthem.
    I like them both. Just music , I like Judas Priest too.lol
    Last edited by oyarde; 11-09-2013 at 11:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    err, the British were attacking Baltimore. Now we are supposed to cheer on the British empire military machine? Yikes!

    Self-defense is a natural right.
    Yeah , people may not get that.LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    err, the British were attacking Baltimore. Now we are supposed to cheer on the British empire military machine? Yikes!

    Self-defense is a natural right.
    We fought well , had 28 killed , killed 46 of them , including the British officer Major General Robert Ross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    err, the British were attacking Baltimore. Now we are supposed to cheer on the British empire military machine? Yikes!

    Self-defense is a natural right.
    Would never hold up today , handful of SAS could squash the pussies in Baltimore like bugs , take it in one day, lol

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    Just more douche baggery by the ignorant masses, wasting time on the song originally titled " Defence of Ft McHenry" . All the while the evil steal more ......

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    Think I will get out my Hendrix , play some Star Spangled since that is the only one I have here, celebrate a time when there were better men and a port city could be defended.

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    I was a little drunk last night , for a handful of 2 1/2 dollar gold pc.'s I would have leased Baltimore to the British through 2016, , lol



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    Email your support (lord knows he's going to need some) to: kblackistone@jmail.umd.edu

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Email your support (lord knows he's going to need some) to: kblackistone@jmail.umd.edu
    He will probably need it but he will get none from me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    err, the British were attacking Baltimore. Now we are supposed to cheer on the British empire military machine? Yikes!

    Self-defense is a natural right.
    Yes, but that is not what it is being used today to promote. The militarism today isn't for defending our own country; it's for invading and overthrowing sovereign nations who did absolutely nothing to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yes, but that is not what it is being used today to promote. The militarism today isn't for defending our own country; it's for invading and overthrowing sovereign nations who did absolutely nothing to us.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Email your support (lord knows he's going to need some) to: kblackistone@jmail.umd.edu
    Thanks! Sent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Exactly.
    The Battle of Baltimore was a little before my time ( 1814 ) , part of me is sorry I missed it , must have been a sight to see up on North Point , 2k of us against 5k of them ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    The Battle of Baltimore was a little before my time ( 1814 ) , part of me is sorry I missed it , must have been a sight to see up on North Point , 2k of us against 5k of them ....
    Maybe something to remember when all seems so hopeless now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Maybe something to remember when all seems so hopeless now.
    Pretty much.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yes, but that is not what it is being used today to promote. The militarism today isn't for defending our own country; it's for invading and overthrowing sovereign nations who did absolutely nothing to us.
    No, the Star Spangled banner still has the same words today as in 1814. Its purpose is to remind us of the 2nd American Revolution against the lobster-backs. It is anti-socialist, as it speaks of America as the home of the brave, not the home of the dependent.

    Also, by saying "the flag is still there" is a reminder of the defensive purpose of the battle, it is not describing an intervention in Iraq or Syria.

    And it says America is the home of the free, not the home of the enslaved with high taxes.

    I think it is very unpatriotic to diss the Star Spangled banner. Someday, America may be attacked again after our economy declines, and we will need to rally again!

    Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
    Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country should leave us no more!
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
    Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
    http://www.usa-flag-site.org/song-ly...d-banner.shtml
    Last edited by Galileo Galilei; 11-10-2013 at 01:21 PM.
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    props to Prof. Blackistone! Gutsy move.

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    Logically it would make perfect sense for Iraq to have used the National Anthem against us. But its used to promote militarism way too often now.

    I personally see no use in a "national anthem" but the only thing I'd be dogmatic about in this regard is that "patriotic" songs are not appropriate for churches, and that the Battle Hymn of the Republic shouldn't be sang anywhere.
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    1812: The War Party’s First ‘Success’

    The two-hundredth anniversary of the beginning of the War of 1812 is upon us, and I’m shocked and surprised the War Party hasn’t planned a celebration: after all, as Jefferson Morley points out in Salon, this was the first neocon war, i.e. an unnecessary war of choice. Perhaps the reason for this shameful lack of hosannas is that it wasn’t particularly successful: the Brits burned Washington and routed our militias, while the glorious conquest of Canada – where, Americans were told, the inhabitants would shower us with rose petals at the moment of their “liberation” – was rudely repulsed by the ungrateful Canadians.

    The stated reason for the war – the forcible impressments of British deserters and American citizens on the high seas – had little to do with reality. After all, the Brits had been doing this since the Revolution, and their actions, while hardly conducive to Anglo-American relations, in no way threatened the survival of the Republic. Much more important, as a factor in starting the war, was the agitation of the “warhawks,” a group of younger members of the Jeffersonian (or Democratic-Republican) party in Congress, who charged that His Majesty’s Government was encouraging attacks on American settlers by the Indians, and who dreamed of conquering Canada. Indeed, the latter motivation was underscored by the libertarian congressman John Randolph, who declared:

    “Sir, if you go to war it will not be for the protection of, or defense of your maritime rights. Gentlemen from the North have been taken up to some high mountain and shown all the kingdoms of the earth; and Canada seems tempting to their sight. That rich vein of Gennesee land, which is said to be even better on the other side of the lake than on this. Agrarian cupidity, not maritime right, urges the war. Ever since the report of the Committee on Foreign Relations came into the House, we have heard but one word- like the whip-poor-will, but one eternal monotonous tone- Canada! Canada! Canada!”

    The warhawks, led by John Calhoun, were motivated less by outrage over British harassment of American persons and commerce than by the emerging delusion of Manifest Destiny that energized the earliest advocates of an international American empire. The Appalachian and southern states were the epicenter of this ultra-nationalistic agitation, and the editors of the Nashville Clarion gave voice to the imperialist impulse when they asked:

    “Where is it written in the book of fate that the American Republic shall not stretch her limits from the Capes of the Chesapeake to Noorka Sound, from the isthmus of Panama to Hudson Bay?”

    Before the neocons there were the warhawks of 1812. On the eve of war, their leader, the protectionist Senator John Calhoun, smugly declared:

    “I believe that in four weeks from the time a declaration of war is heard on our frontier, the whole of Upper Canada and a part of Lower Canada will be in our power.”

    Secretary of War William Eustis enthused:

    “We can take the Canadas without soldiers, we have only to send officers into the province and the people . . . will rally round our standard.”

    We’ll be greeted as liberators – don’t worry, it’ll be a cakewalk. Does any of this sound familiar?

    Aside from their complaint that the US government hadn’t killed enough native Americans, the warhawks longed for war with the British, who were aiding the desperate guerrilla defense mounted by the “Indians.” The frontiersmen resented competition from British-Canadian fur traders, who had good relations with the tribes.

    In any case, the war was a disaster for the militarily weak fledgling republic, which might easily have been soundly defeated, and reabsorbed back into the empire. Think of it: If London hadn’t been busy fighting another war in Europe, we might all be speaking British.

    American forces were surprisingly successful on the sea, handing the Brits several stinging defeats, but on land it was a different story. The British army struck at the very heart of the young republic, burning Washington to the ground.

    The Nashville Clarion’s consultations with the Book of Fate turned out to be a serious misreading of the text: the projected conquest of Canada turned into a rout. American militiamen, called up for duty, were organized around the understanding that they would be defending their own country, not invading somebody else’s. One big reason for the failure to take Canada was the militias’ frequent mutinies. After the American defeat at Detroit, another march on Canada was launched, this time under the command of Gen. Stephan Van Rensselaer. This adventure came to an inglorious end, however, when the militiamen refused to cross the US/Canadian border. As one commentator notes:

    “Another invasion attempt, on 19 November 1812, collapsed when American troops refused to leave New York State and forced their leader, Gen. Henry Dearborn, to march them back to Pittsburgh. Less than two weeks later, Gen. ‘Apocalypse’ Smythe twice ordered his troops to cross the Niagara, both times failing in his courage and calling off the attacks. On returning from the second attempt, the soldiers turned their weapons on Smythe, forcing him to flee to Virginia.”

    The war was unpopular, both here and in Britain. The New England states, where the Anglophilic Federalists held sway, were hot-beds of antiwar sentiment – and outright sedition. Led by Massachusetts governor Caleb Strong, a cabal of Federalists held secret negotiations with the British government, proposing the secession of the New England states from the Union.

    The most famous American victory, the battle of New Orleans, took place after the peace treaty was signed – a treaty in which the Americans received virtually nothing. While the British agreed to stop harassing Americans citizens on the high seas, the territorial gains envisioned by the expansionists failed to materialize. Canada remained a British possession, and the American claim to Florida – a state that, from the beginning, has given us nothing but trouble – went unrecognized by the British, or anyone else.

    The war of 1812 could fairly be characterized as America’s first defeat: militarily the result was, at best, a stalemate, but the political and economic aftershocks were the real disaster. As Murray Rothbard put it:

    “Even the war of 1812 – seemingly a harmless little escapade – was evil, and also in the domestic sense, in that it ruined the Jeffersonian Party for a long time to come, it established Federalism which means monopoly State-capitalism in essence, it imposed a central bank, it imposed high tariffs, it imposed domestic federal taxation, which never existed before, internal taxation, and it took a long time to get rid of it, and we never really did get back to the pre-War of 1812 level of minimal State power.”

    The young republic was infected with the virus of imperialism at an early age, and it ate away at the central organs of the body politic. The carriers were the intelligentsia, the social climbers, the politicians-on-the-make – those who, ironically, wished to emulate the British by building an American version of the Empire.

    In the interests of good taste and diplomatic decorum, our Canadian allies are loyally ignoring the anniversary of our ignominious defeat at their hands: Detroit, the supposed launching pad for the conquest of Canada, was surrendered to British troops and Canadian militia without firing a shot.

    The conquest of Canada was torpedoed by the stubborn refusal of American state and county militias to countenance the invasion. The defense of the country was one thing, but the conquest of a foreign land – why, it was un-American! They simply refused the order to invade.

    Oh, but that we had such a militia today! A standing army is a curse: a military priesthood with more than a few would-be Caesars in its higher ranks. Exactly what the Founders feared.

    Impossible, say you: we have too many enemies, it’s a dangerous world! Any gangster can say the same: he, too, has many enemies. His world is rife with danger, and with good reason. If you go around killing people, their relatives and friends tend to hate you, and are often impelled to seek revenge.

    Naturally, any resemblance between US foreign policy and the activities of a criminal gang are purely coincidental….
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...first-success/

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    I still think the war of 1812 was justified. Maybe poorly timed, but justified. The British had no right to be attacking our ships. That we allowed it to happen for a time simply because we were powerless isn't an excuse. I don't really see any provocations on the American side like there were in both World Wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    No, the Star Spangled banner still has the same words today as in 1814. Its purpose is to remind us of the 2nd American Revolution against the lobster-backs. It is anti-socialist, as it speaks of America as the home of the brave, not the home of the dependent.

    Also, by saying "the flag is still there" is a reminder of the defensive purpose of the battle, it is not describing an intervention in Iraq or Syria.

    And it says America is the home of the free, not the home of the enslaved with high taxes.

    I think it is very unpatriotic to diss the Star Spangled banner. Someday, America may be attacked again after our economy declines, and we will need to rally again!



    http://www.usa-flag-site.org/song-ly...d-banner.shtml
    Then color me unpatriotic. Srsly, if people need a military hymn to "rally", you've already hit teh point of no return. Sane people can rally for the sake of friends/family/neighbors/etc. No nationalism and/or cheauvanism required.
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