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    Deputies shoot, kill 13-year-old carrying toy gun

    SANTA ROSA, Calif. - Northern California sheriff's officials and family members say deputies shot and killed a 13-year-old boy who was carrying a replica assault weapon.

    Two Sonoma County deputies saw the boy walking with the replica weapon around 3 p.m. Tuesday in Santa Rosa. Lt. Dennis O'Leary says they repeatedly ordered him to drop what appeared to be a rifle before firing several rounds.

    The boy fell to the ground. Deputies handcuffed him and began administering first aid, but he was pronounced dead at the scene. O'Leary says deputies also found a plastic handgun in his waistband.

    The boy's father, Rodrigo Lopez, told the Press Democrat of Santa Rosa the victim was his 13-year-old son, Andy.

    The deputies have not been identified.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ll-13-year-old

    More details in the Press Democrat article



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    I saw my neighbors 10 year old son play with a toy rifle yesterday. It had the fake orange tip thing on the barrel, but it was sad that the thought of cops rolling up and shooting him came to my mind considering I remember playing with toy guns as a kid...

    ;_;

    oh new youth, what have we done to you?
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    Sue the cops PERSONALLY. Once you win, sue the county and state.
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    But the officers are safe, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias Graves View Post
    But the officers are safe, right?
    Neither deputy was injured, said Sheriff's Lt. Steve Brown.
    Phew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias Graves View Post
    But the officers are safe, right?
    we need to take up a collection and send these officers a HallMark card as they must be still shaking from fear of possibly being killed by a plastic gun carried by an innocent young boy just playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    This bull$#@! that the officers feared for their safety only goes so far. Will they ever be held accountable?
    in my lifetime?....doubtful.



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    Zero tolerance. Comply or be eliminated.

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    remember these?:

    i had laser tag, kids were getting blown away for these in the 80's...seems about the time this $#@! started...
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    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Deputies handcuffed him and began administering first aid [...]
    If the kid was dangerous enough to be shot and then handcuffed, shouldn't the deputies have adminstered coup de grâce rather than fist aid?

    You know, just to be safe ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    If the kid was dangerous enough to be shot and then handcuffed, shouldn't the deputies have adminstered coup de grâce rather than fist aid?

    You know, just to be safe ...
    pffftt..yeah, what the hell...one more in the heart..who's gonna know...

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    Was the officer OK?

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    This bull$#@! that the officers feared for their safety only goes so far. Will they ever be held accountable?
    Yes,,but not in this life.
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    Pathetic pieces of $#@!!

    Sorry thing is even trying to justify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    we need to take up a collection and send these officers a HallMark card as they must be still shaking from fear of possibly being killed by a plastic gun carried by an innocent young boy just playing.
    http://hardcardsrule.com/un-sympathy/$#@!ty-choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    Zero tolerance. Comply or be eliminated.
    Yup.

    You might not even be given the chance to comply.

    I'll bet less than 2 seconds elapsed before they wasted this kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yup.

    You might not even be given the chance to comply.

    I'll bet less than 2 seconds elapsed before they wasted this kid.
    After I posted this, I realized I should have used executed instead eliminated.

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    It's a tough, stressful job. I'm just glad the officers were safe.

    Actually, if I were the father I would take vengeance.
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    You don't understand. Cops are people too. Most of them are good.

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    Two Sonoma County deputies saw the boy walking with the replica weapon around 3 p.m. Tuesday in Santa Rosa. Lt. Dennis O'Leary says they repeatedly ordered him to drop what appeared to be a rifle before firing several rounds.
    Mm hm. Sure they did.

    The LEOs won't lose a wink of sleep over murdering that kid either.
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    Disgusting. And the comment section of the Press-Democrat article isn't much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bavarian View Post
    I saw my neighbors 10 year old son play with a toy rifle yesterday. It had the fake orange tip thing on the barrel, but it was sad that the thought of cops rolling up and shooting him came to my mind considering I remember playing with toy guns as a kid...

    ;_;

    oh new youth, what have we done to you?
    Makes me wonder how long it will be before somebody puts that "fake orange tip" on a real weapon.

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    Remember those "no hesitation" targets we saw awhile back...?
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    The moment both of these cops realized their mistake, they should have collapsed, wept, torn off their badges, and screamed uncontrollably, "What have we done?!"

    If they didn't, then they're sociopaths. If the agency they work for is fine with that, then they're either deliberately hiring sociopaths, or actively training those who work for them to become sociopaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    This bull$#@! that the officers feared for their safety only goes so far. Will they ever be held accountable?
    Only when a few good men have had enough.
    “One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

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    Just to throw this in here. From the pictures released, it appears that the "toy" was an airsoft replica of an AK-47. I have been playing airsoft for the past 5 years, and it is VERY difficult to tell the difference between a real firearm and the airsoft replica, Especially at a distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    This bull$#@! that the officers feared for their safety only goes so far. Will they ever be held accountable?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Mm hm. Sure they did.

    The LEOs won't lose a wink of sleep over murdering that kid either.
    They will be held accountable, probably won't get to work for a couple weeks. They should sleep sound, come on they feared for their life. Always remember the LEO' once where someone child. I hope they .... err hang by the neck till they rot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaPolitico View Post
    Just to throw this in here. From the pictures released, it appears that the "toy" was an airsoft replica of an AK-47. I have been playing airsoft for the past 5 years, and it is VERY difficult to tell the difference between a real firearm and the airsoft replica, Especially at a distance.
    That's absolutely no excuse to kill a child!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaPolitico View Post
    Just to throw this in here. From the pictures released, it appears that the "toy" was an airsoft replica of an AK-47. I have been playing airsoft for the past 5 years, and it is VERY difficult to tell the difference between a real firearm and the airsoft replica, Especially at a distance.
    But what does that matter if it does resemble one? Is just carrying such a weapon grounds for execution? Did the kid aim and fire at the officers? Did he shoot somebody else with it?

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