Does the state have a right to take a life?
Also - what about personal/privatized revenge murder?
Opposed.
//Originally Posted by Anti Federalist
The State has no rights at all.
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Nice theory, doesn't work in practice due to abuse by establishment and the often impossible task of truly discovering guilt.
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When I was younger I was in favor of the dp. Now I oppose it.
Always have, always will oppose it.
I am ok with the death penalty if I am the injured person who gets to exact revenge. Not OK with the government deciding who lives and who dies.
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Death penalty for a mundane?...against.
Death penalty for a political traitor?....i'm open to discuss.
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Um... nevermind.
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Um... nevermind.
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So it's right for you to kill for revenge. But it's not right for others to kill in the name of revenge for you. Doesn't seem very consistent.
The effect is that someone is being killed for the sake of vengeance. What does it matter who does the killing if you've already conceded that the killing in the name of vengeance is righteous?
Also, what about equability? If you've only been injured, and apparently not injured enough to such an extent that you can't carry out the vengeance killing, why is it right for you to kill in retaliation?
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I cannot trust the government with this type of power. Abolish the government death penalty.
That's Ron Paul's position, BTW. I completely agree.
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Opposed. Too much room for error, and too easy to abuse.
Let's move forward to the Constitution.. I am the new GOP. I stand with Rand.
For it, but with a very high standard of proof only.
Opposed to the death penalty. Of course, assuming there are still human mediators and jurors, if you kill someone who has wronged you, you are welcome to gamble your freedom on garnering enough sympathy to sway someone.
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any government that can legally kill you will never respect your rights
We ought to have a death penalty, but there is no human government on Earth that is not far too corrupted to administer it.
Not by the state or feds
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100% for it in cases of first degree murder, certain types of rape (especially of a child), for abortionists, and for those who traffic in women and children.
Opposed - on both moralistic and pragmatic grounds.
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The only place for Execution is during wartime for the crime of Treason. I'm not talking about our bull$#@! interventions, I mean a situation where we are attacked domestically such as Pearl Harbor. An American aiding the enemy under those conditions should be shot.
During peacetime I see no place for it.
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I am not for torture until a person confesses to mass murder just like the Jews did to the Nazis. Oh you were talking about the death penalty, my bad. What is worse, the death penalty or making a prisoner your slave for life? Most prisoners would choose death over that. I am for a reasonable punishment, if that happens to be death, so be it, though in most cases it is not reasonable.
The state does not have a right to exist. In a private law society, victims of murder should have the option of a tooth for a tooth, plus another tooth.
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I think it should be decided on a case by case basis for first degree murder and rape. I agree with you on those that traffic in women and children and abortionists though.
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