Relativism on display.Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative
“…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”
And away we go.
They started shooting at her as she drove away from the last picture. Don't know if they hit her, but there is video. And the car is damaged in the first picture - look at the fender and the door.
Last edited by angelatc; 10-04-2013 at 08:18 AM.
Thus ensuring that there was only one way in which this incident would end.
I have to agree with better-dead here. Multiple traffic violations should not be grounds for opening fire.
Well sure, she was guilty of driving recklessly. Does that justify execution though? I've been hit by a car while walking on the sidewalk (not seriously injured). Would I have been justified to open fire on the driver?
If only someone had provided her with free birth control....
And had they actually used all those vehicles to properly block her in, instead of jumping out and hut-hutting with guns drawn, this situation might have ended differently.Hey, guns are drawn, might as well use them. Citations all around.
How is that relevant to the question of whether they murdered her?
Last edited by better-dead-than-fed; 10-04-2013 at 08:59 AM.
Why?
Did EVERYONE in the House of Reps applaud? Even Amash and Massie? If so I'm seriously disappointed. What would Ron Paul have done if he was still in the House? I can definitely imagine him standing alone there, but wow.
I agree with you that statelessness is only a dream because people don't want it. I also agree with you that even certain elements of this forum are basically useless.
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Funny that there is another thread on here that has some of the same characteristics. A motorist is involved in a traffic mishap. He feels threatened. He runs from those he feels are threatening his, and his child's, safety running one over in the process.
What would you think had the "bikers" pulled out guns and shot him down? Justified? Standing ovation?
yeah yeah, whatever....how are the 2 cops injured in this jihad attack?
I'll admit to this one. His job is to defend a mass murderer. He's not an innocent victim of anything.And of course the life of the Secret Service officer doesn't matter to people here. He was just a state sponsored murderer hired by the government to inflict as much pain and misery on people as possible.
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Sometimes people in the liberty movement disgust me.
While I think the standing ovation by congress was uncalled for, the actions of the police clearly were.
In this day and age of IED's I'm honestly surprised the police showed so much restraint. The easily were justified in stopping her by force long before any shots were fired.
Also if the car bumped, hit, rammed a barricade or not doesn't even matter. The actions following that were what drew the police to use force.
yup
Who's the victim here, again?
TC, if this accusation is untrue, you have GOT to come up with a better argument than "breaking the law" or "tresspassing on public property", neither of which is an argument for anything.
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What a weird perception, surreal.
Maybe you need to move to a safer area, if this is a daily threat in your area. We don't have any of those incidents here, that I know of.
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
To be honest, I have never seen a modern vehicle 'ram' anything without sustaining significant damage before. Perhaps the entire story is bunk?
Sometimes people that give the benefit of the doubt to the police disgust me.
Perhaps my GoogleFu is broken this morning, most IED stories I uncovered were in warzones outside of the US.... are you stating that the police are becoming militarized and training for IED usage here?
Last edited by DGambler; 10-04-2013 at 08:56 AM.
“…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to phill4paul again.
"When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat
Peace.
young black woman with a baby.
Made some fatal mistakes.
I look at her as a scared rabbit that got inside the farmers veggie fence.
apparently there is no strategy to stop someone like her other than to blow a person like that away....
really?...
$#@!in' inhuman bull$#@!.
end of story.
Last edited by JK/SEA; 10-04-2013 at 09:02 AM.
I don't see any airbag deployed in the pics, and if it had - ramming would presumably cause this - the driver would likely have been impaired as a result.
From what I'm gathering, the police overreacted, to put it mildly.
Scary that they got a standing ovation by the House. Makes me think they've been given the order to shoot to kill at the first sign of failure to follow orders. If that's the case, it's bad. Real bad.
Last edited by georgiaboy; 10-04-2013 at 09:03 AM.
The bigger government gets, the smaller I wish it was.My new motto: More Love, Less Laws
The heros of course
Neither have I Gunny.
The last pic the car is clearly in contact with the barrier and a cop car. Multiple eyewitnesses say she hit a cop and if you watch the video, she clearly backed up into a cop car and drove at another cop who jumped behind the barrier out of her way. None of this is up for argument, it happened.
This is where the car ended up. Note no damage.
Car that actually hit a barrier.
Car PRIOR to ending up in above picture.
Now. The last pic is more than likely after she "RAMMED the barricade" I think those are definitely guns drawn and pointed at her HEAD. That is prior to the shooting. The shooting took place in a completely different location.
Perhaps ram was too strong of an adjective used by the media, but she definitely put her car in contact with the barriers and a cop car.
We need to know the motivation for her actions before rushing to judgement. But generally speaking, driving a car at cops with guns drawn is justification to fire.
Last edited by 69360; 10-04-2013 at 09:13 AM.
Yeah, but the farmer doesn't just shoot the rabbit. So if the analogy is really to work....
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
No, we really don't.
The only reason to investigate motive is if there is a trial.
The only actors left to judge are not going to go through that process.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
When guns were drawn at her, one of the guys right in front of her sight was wearing shorts and black tshirt. She may have been traumatized in the past by people with guns at some checkpoint, with or without cops uniforms and in panic tried to get her one year old child out of harms way by trying to escape men wih guns. She can be charged with disobeying cops but getting killed by cops for not stopping is clearly very wrong. Although charges against 'shooting suspects' have not been filed yet and media has gone to extreme lengths to paint unarmed victim as "suspected shooter', good propsecution can get guilty verdict against actual 'shooting suspects' once trails begin.
If her family is as connected as Treyvon Martins was, they might succeed in getting Obama / Holder to speak out about this killing just blocks from White House/Houses of lawmakers and may get charges filed against shooting suspects. But this might not get attention unless her family injected 'racial element' into this case of police abuse of power against a mundane who didnt have the sense to obey their commands.
Last edited by enhanced_deficit; 10-04-2013 at 09:31 AM.
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There will surely be an investigation into the shooting as there is with any officer involved shooting and they will attempt to discover her motivation. If she didn't tell anyone beforehand, she may have taken it to the grave with her.
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