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    The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch

    The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch

    September 11, 2013 - 4:38 AM
    By Dennis M. Crowley

    In total, 2,144 U.S. military personnel have given their lives fighting in and around Afghanistan as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. (AP File Photo)

    In the war that Congress authorized against al Qaeda only three days after that attack, the vast majority of the U.S. casualties have occurred in the last four and a half years during the presidency of Barack Obama.

    In fact, according to the CNSNews.com database of U.S. casualties in Afghanistan, 73 percent of all U.S. Afghan War casualties have occurred since Jan. 20, 2009 when Obama was inaugurated.


    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/denn...n-obamas-watch



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    I would put money on the fact that is because since he has been in office he has modified the rules of engagement in war for our military. That is part of the investigation that the families of Seal Team 6s families are trying to bring before Congress.

    Freedom Watch Demands U.S. Military's Rules Of Engagement Be Changed Before United States Enters War In Syria And Only Congress Can Declare War
    http://news.yahoo.com/freedom-watch-...120000252.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    I would put money on the fact that is because since he has been in office he has modified the rules of engagement in war for our military. That is part of the investigation that the families of Seal Team 6s families are trying to bring before Congress.

    Freedom Watch Demands U.S. Military's Rules Of Engagement Be Changed Before United States Enters War In Syria And Only Congress Can Declare War
    http://news.yahoo.com/freedom-watch-...120000252.html
    Incidentally, many more Afghan civilians have been killed on his watch also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Incidentally, many more Afghan civilians have been killed on his watch also.
    I bet they are not Wahhabi. Notice he doesn't mind killing ( or aiding/funding in the killing ) the civilians in Syria, Libya, or Egypt either.
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    The children are the same affiliation as the parents. The affiliations are usually grouped together in villages.
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

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    ITS BUSHES FAULT!!!


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    4 US/NATO troops killed in Afghan car bomb, inside attacks




    NATO troops killed in Afghanistan

    September 16 at 5:29 AM
    KABUL — A suicide bomber killed three coalition troops near the U.S. Embassy in Kabul on Tuesday morning, and a fourth died late Monday when an Afghan soldier opened fire on NATO forces.
    The violence, the deadliest aimed at NATO troops in more than two months, underscores the continued vulnerability of international forces serving in Afghanistan.
    At about 8:15 a.m., a car packed with explosives detonated near a convoy of armored vehicles in Kabul. The blast occurred as the convoy left a heavily fortified area near the U.S. Embassy and other government buildings, witnesses and Afghan officials said.
    “It was a very powerful blast and happened just as the vehicles sped out of the embassy,” said Taj Mohammad, one of the witnesses.
    Television footage of the aftermath showed mangled vehicles and coalition troops providing first aid to two soldiers lying next to the road. At least 13 Afghan civilians also were wounded, said Hashmat Stanekzai, a Kabul police spokesman.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-troops-killed-in-afghanistan/2014/09/16


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    Bush was much more interested in the Iraqi war.

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    "The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality."
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    Just checking some numbers from here: http://icasualties.org/OEF/ByYear.aspx
    Obama took office in 2009.
    Total Afghanistan deaths: 3,473.
    Total deaths 2009 and later: 2,454 or 70%.
    That includes all coalition deaths- not just US.

    US casulties:
    Total: 2345
    2009 and later: 1715 or 73%


    Same source Iraq deaths: http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
    Total: 4804
    Total 2009 and later: 265 or 5.5%

    Total US Deaths: 4486
    Total 2009 and later: 264 or 5.9%

    Both wars together:

    Total Deaths- Afghanistan and Iraq:8277
    Total 2009 and Later: 2719 or 33%

    Total US Deaths- Afghanistan and Iraq: 6831
    Total 2009 and Later: 1979 or 29%.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-16-2014 at 07:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Just checking some numbers from here: http://icasualties.org/OEF/ByYear.aspx
    Obama took office in 2009.
    Total Afghanistan deaths: 3,473.
    Total deaths 2009 and later: 2,454 or 70%.
    That includes all coalition deaths- not just US.

    US casulties:
    Total: 2345
    2009 and later: 1715 or 73%


    Same source Iraq deaths: http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
    Total: 4804
    Total 2009 and later: 265 or 5.5%

    Total US Deaths: 4486
    Total 2009 and later: 264 or 5.9%

    If you want both wars together and are excited by body counts:

    Total Deaths- Afghanistan and Iraq:8277
    Total 2009 and Later: 2719 or 33%

    Total US Deaths- Afghanistan and Iraq: 6831
    Total 2009 and Later: 1979 or 29%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So what did you find, is following statement accurate or not?

    "73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch"





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    And that is what the thread is about, but let him stick with his M.O. and try to derail it as a Liberal would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So what did you find, is following statement accurate or not?

    "73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch"










    Iraq/Afghanistan wars disabled 624,000 US troops , Divorces up 42%, Foreclosures up 217%
    Yes it was accurate. I just added info on our other major war. Is my information accurate?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-16-2014 at 07:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Yes it was accurate. I just added info on our other major war. Is my information accurate?
    I did not take time to go through all the plethora of numbers you pasted... unless there is a reason to check their accuracy and there is an unstated statement that your numbers are meant to support.
    If you have a point or argument regarding nobel peace prizer's role in spreading peace in the world, then go ahead.



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So what did you find, is following statement accurate or not?
    He found that when you increase troop levels by 300%, casualty rates also increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    I did not take time to go through all the plethora of numbers you pasted... unless there is a reason to check their accuracy and there is an unstated statement that your numbers are meant to support.
    If you have a point or argument regarding nobel peace prizer's role in spreading peace in the world, then go ahead.
    I see. The numbers don't support image presented in the original post so they must be politically biased.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-17-2014 at 11:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Interesting some of the points in that graph coincide with the times the generals said (in the interviews below) they went to the presidents and told him they didn't know what the $#@! the military were doing.
    Last edited by CPUd; 09-17-2014 at 02:19 AM.

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    As Nobel Peace Prize winner leaves office in few weeks, a legacy of bloody wars and destructions and destabilized world would be left behind.

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    Obama's Legacy is Endless Perpetual War.
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