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Thread: "Libertarianism is a serious mental disorder" says The Red Phoenix

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    "Libertarianism is a serious mental disorder" says The Red Phoenix

    http://theredphoenixapl.org/2009/10/...oing-to-shrug/

    I saw this and was like #facepalm



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    hey, red phoenix... once again:

    ayn rand =/= libertarianism

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    What do you expect? They'd defend the Soviet Union as "misunderstood".

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    What's the article about? Would you mind posting a few pertinent paragraphs? I don't much care for giving traffic to what sounds like a smear piece.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Apparently, we're all white, Ayn Rand-loving, elitests who see the poor people as "parasites". Just another statist trying to paint Ayn Rand as libertarian even though she wasn't.

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    Not really interested in reading a four year old article from something called "The Red Phoenix."

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    Isn't that how it is with socialists & Orwellian Big Brother, anyone who doesn't go along to get along has a serious mental disorder or something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Desmond View Post
    Isn't that how it is with socialists & Orwellian Big Brother, anyone who doesn't go along to get along has a serious mental disorder or something like that?
    Thought Criminality.
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    Guys, I know it's absolutely ridiculous; that's why I posted it.

    I like to hear what other people have to say even if it's the most absurd thing that lacks one bit of truth. I've been called everything from a hippie to a heartless faux Christian, because of my libertarian beliefs, so criticism is nothing new.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Desmond View Post
    Isn't that how it is with socialists & Orwellian Big Brother, anyone who doesn't go along to get along has a serious mental disorder or something like that?
    Probably. They either have a serious mental disorder or they're dumb.

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    Funny , I think big govt is a mental disorder, I can spend my own money better.

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    Ayn Rand hated libertarians. Just watch some of her interviews, she strongly supported Israel and wanted to use the U.S. military to protect Israel at all cost. She was a neocon, not a libertarian. Atlas Shrugged was the most poorly written novel that I have ever suffered through.



    "AR: All kinds of people today call themselves “libertarians,” especially something calling itself the New Right, which consists of hippies who are anarchists instead of leftist collectivists; but anarchists are collectivists. Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet libertarians combine capitalism and anarchism. That’s worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It’s a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism because those jobs are already taken. But anarchism is a logical outgrowth of the anti-intellectual side of collectivism. I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect. Anarchists are the scum of the intellectual world of the Left, which has given them up. So the Right picks up another leftist discard. That’s the libertarian movement. [FHF 71]"


    $#@! her
    Last edited by Saint Vitus; 09-07-2013 at 09:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Desmond View Post
    Isn't that how it is with socialists & Orwellian Big Brother, anyone who doesn't go along to get along has a serious mental disorder or something like that?
    Anti-party deviationism, comrade.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    What the heck is The Red Phoenix? I don't want to just clickit...

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    break the link
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

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    Meet The Tea Partiers who stole Ron Paul's original Tea Party idea.


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    IMO Atlas Shrugged and Ayn Rand's other work is more likely to be the gateway to becoming a capitalist or Republican rather than a libertarian. Of course that's a path many of us have gone through but there are much more intellectually sound authors that libertarians relate to rather than Rand. I'll take people like Spooner, Thoreau, or Rothbard any day over her.

    Progressives are deeply offended by Rand because she was somewhat of an uncaring bitch; which is fine. It's better than being the cannibals she accurately described the progressives as. One of the biggest mistakes progressives make is to label someone like the CEO of Goldman Sachs as being a John Galt instead of the James Taggart that he is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    IMO Atlas Shrugged and Ayn Rand's other work is more likely to be the gateway to becoming a capitalist or Republican rather than a libertarian. Of course that's a path many of us have gone through but there are much more intellectually sound authors that libertarians relate to rather than Rand. I'll take people like Spooner, Thoreau, or Rothbard any day over her.

    Progressives are deeply offended by Rand because she was somewhat of an uncaring bitch; which is fine. It's better than being the cannibals she accurately described the progressives as. One of the biggest mistakes progressives make is to label someone like the CEO of Goldman Sachs as being a John Galt instead of the James Taggart that he is.
    Progressive...? I dislike when people talk about them as a whole because libertarian progressives do exist (I'm one of them!) Being progressive isn't inherently wrong or unliberating, I'd actually argue the opposite.

    I'm not an Ayn Rand fan, but not entirely for the reasons you listed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    What the heck is The Red Phoenix? I don't want to just clickit...
    Haha! That's understandable. The American Party of Labor Newsletter. The plus side to The Red Phoenix receiving a lot of views is, this thread/RPF will likely show up on their audience demographics.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Meet The Tea Partiers who stole Ron Paul's original Tea Party idea.

    OMGHHKP, these people annoy me to no end. A fun thing to do is ask them why they're a Tea partier or ask specific questions about the beliefs regarding it. Wait for the incorrect or vague responses that dodge the question (used so they can mask their lack of knowledge), then question them on the accuracy of these beliefs.
    Last edited by I<3Liberty; 09-07-2013 at 11:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I<3Liberty View Post
    Progressive...? I dislike when people talk about them as a whole because libertarian progressives do exist (I'm one of them!) Being progressive isn't inherently wrong or liberating, I'd actually argue the opposite.
    Dammit, if I call them liberals, classical liberals get offended. I thought progressive was the safe label to use.

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    meh

    nvm
    Last edited by kcchiefs6465; 09-07-2013 at 11:04 PM.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    What's the plus side to that?

    Hasn't TRP been posted here before; Negatively misrepresenting libertarians?
    I know I've used audience demographics to see what kind of searches, message boards, websites, etc. led viewers to my blog posts or videos. It's a nice way to get feedback on the content (especially on message boards where people will often dissect and analysis every bit of a blog post, leaving some constructive criticism.)

    I'm not sure if they've been here before? I joined RPF in February 2013, but I didn't start actively posting until like April. Either way, they'd stick out like a sore thumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I<3Liberty View Post
    I know I've used audience demographics to see what kind of searches, message boards, websites, etc. led viewers to my blog posts or videos. It's a nice way to get feedback on the content (especially on message boards where people will often dissect and analysis every bit of a blog post, leaving some constructive criticism.)

    I'm not sure if they've been here before? I joined RPF in February 2013, but I didn't start actively posting until like April. Either way, they'd stick out like a sore thumb.
    With HTTP referrers could they not tailor what someone clicking the link from here saw?

    I've seen TRP posted before. I don't think the website is that big as to be posted by more than a few from that site. I could be wrong and apologize in advance if that's the case. But it seems to me people are trying to "UP" their google ranks and website views through deliberately baiting insults of libertarians. That the text has not been posted nor has the link been broken adds some to my suspicions.

    In any case, whoever the author of said text is, I am sure they'd be welcome to come and voice their opinion on the matter.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Nothing personal against the OP, but I never clicked on the link. It just sounds like another fly-by-night website that either hires "freelance" writers, and/or merely plagiarizes content from other sources.

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    What's a Progressive Libertarian? That sounds like an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutlerzzz View Post
    What's a Progressive Libertarian? That sounds like an oxymoron.
    What are they, and do they want to steal from people?
    Last edited by better-dead-than-fed; 09-08-2013 at 04:37 AM.



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    I was called a hillbilly yesterday because I live in a neighborhood that is self organized ( we have our firefighting equipment,football/handball schools for kids .. ) + every apartment building is running with a surplus + savings for emergencies because the underground shelters have been rented to local people to make machine shops/the roofs rented for mobile telecommunication towers so we only collect a fee once every three months.On the other hand he was civilized because they were working within the system ( meaning who is the best friends with the mayor gets everything done for his building while everyone else pounds sand ).

    In the end he told me that government needed to create jobs so all people who had no ambitions could find a role in society.I am really starting to believe that a purge by fire is needed for any change.
    Last edited by Demigod; 09-08-2013 at 04:36 AM.

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    Ayn Rand on Altruism

    What is the moral code of altruism? The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.

    Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others. These are not primaries, but consequences, which, in fact, altruism makes impossible. The irreducible primary of altruism, the basic absolute, is self-sacrifice—which means; self-immolation, self-abnegation, self-denial, self-destruction—which means: the self as a standard of evil, the selfless as a standard of the good.

    Do not hide behind such superficialities as whether you should or should not give a dime to a beggar. That is not the issue. The issue is whether you do or do not have the right to exist without giving him that dime. The issue is whether you must keep buying your life, dime by dime, from any beggar who might choose to approach you. The issue is whether the need of others is the first mortgage on your life and the moral purpose of your existence. The issue is whether man is to be regarded as a sacrificial animal. Any man of self-esteem will answer: “No.” Altruism says: “Yes.”
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutlerzzz View Post
    What's a Progressive Libertarian? That sounds like an oxymoron.
    I'm guessing it's more socially liberal and green-friendly than standard fare right-libertarianism.

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    "Mental Disorder" is Subjective

    Quote Originally Posted by I<3Liberty View Post
    What a person considers to be a "mental disorder" will usually be based on the antithesis of his own theological, political, economic, scientific, and/or ethical beliefs. In light of the article above, the phrase "mental disorder" is based on the logical fallacies of:
    Therefore, the author is not making a sound case against libertarianism.
    "Diverse weights are an abomination unto the LORD, and a false balance is not good." - Proverbs 20:23

    "Lowering interest rates punishes people for saving, thus encouraging consumers and businesses to spend every penny they make...The Federal Reserve’s inflationary policies harm the average American by eroding the dollar’s purchasing power." - Dr. Ron Paul

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    Remember, in Soviet Russia, you were sent to a mental asylum if you opposed Communism. Mundanes who opposed Communism obviously had mental disorders!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...e_Soviet_Union

    Upon analysis of over 200 well-authenticated cases covering the period 1962-1976, Sidney Bloch and Peter Reddaway developed a classification of the victims of Soviet psychiatric abuse. They were classified as:[123]

    1. advocates of human rights or democratization;
    2. nationalists;
    3. would-be emigrants;
    4. religious believers;
    5. citizens inconvenient to the authorities.

    The advocates of human rights and democratization, according to Bloch and Reddaway, made up about half the dissidents repressed by means of psychiatry.[123] Nationalists made up about one-tenth of the dissident population dealt with psychiatrically. [124] Would-be emigrants comprised about one-fifth of dissidents victimized by means of psychiatry.[125] People, detained only because of their religious activity, made up about fifteen per cent of dissident-patients.[125] Citizens inconvenient to the authorities because of their “obdurate” complaints about bureaucratic excesses and abuses accounted for about five per cent of dissidents subject to psychiatric abuse.[126]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...e_Soviet_Union

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulbot99 View Post
    Remember, in Soviet Russia, you were sent to a mental asylum if you opposed Communism. Mundanes who opposed Communism obviously had mental disorders!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...e_Soviet_Union
    And we have something similar in the modern U.S.:

    Psychiatrist Barry Morenz argued I should be committed for having stated that:
    • a U.S. Probation Officer had made false statements;
    • some lawyers had done “the bare minimum”; and
    • a judge was not “enforcing… an adequate level of attorney conduct”.
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ki460SP3cs/pub

    While imprisoning me against my will, psychiatrists at University Physicians Healthcare hospital (UPH) falsified records and concealed relevant information from the court deciding whether to involuntarily commit me. A “tech” (orderly) explained that the doctors were intent on taking my legal right to possess firearms — regardless of the actual state of my mental health — and that they were deliberately misdiagnosing me to accomplish their goal.
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...5XMztzZy-c/pub
    Last edited by better-dead-than-fed; 09-14-2013 at 07:02 PM.

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