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Thread: [Video] Rand introduces amdt in Foreign Relations Cmte to bind AUMF vote 9/4/13

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    Default [Video] Rand introduces amdt in Foreign Relations Cmte to bind AUMF vote 9/4/13

    Video:
    http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearin...ing-09-04-2013

    The entire discussion and vote occurs from 3:01:50 - 3:22:48.

    Edit: The time frame above only shows discussion and vote on Rand's amendment. It is not the discussion and vote on the AUMF.
    Last edited by tsai3904; 09-04-2013 at 03:19 PM.



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    I'm actually impressed that it only lost 10-7, tbh.

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    Menendez: 3:11:40 "Not a good time to make weighty determinations about the constitution.."

    Risch: 3:08 "I would suggest that we take out the word Constitution..."

    Kudos to Rand for saying "it's the perfect time" to discuss this.
    Last edited by anaconda; 09-04-2013 at 03:05 PM.

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    I don't get why Rand isn't asking his colleagues where the imminent attack is per the war powers act. Many of the Senators are claiming that the conflict is between the Constitution and the war powers act, when it appears to be that they are simply ignoring the allowable exceptions in the war powers act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mit26chell View Post
    I'm actually impressed that it only lost 10-7, tbh.
    It actually lost 14-5.

    Can't be stated enough how bad Flake is becoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krugminator View Post
    It actually lost 14-5.

    Can't be stated enough how bad Flake is becoming.
    They said 14-5 at the end but its now reported as 14-4 as there are only 18 members on the committee. The 10-7 vote was on the amended AUMF.

    Agreed with Flake. It's amazing how he was one of the few who would vote against Iran sanctions.

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    Rubio votes with the enemy.

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    At 3:22:05 or so, Rubio CLEARLY says "AYE"

    All the news is saying he voted "Nay" on the resolution....Anyone else hear the same thing I did?? Why the discrepancy?
    Ron Paul & Liberty - It's like trying to hold a beach ball under water

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbohlig View Post
    At 3:22:05 or so, Rubio CLEARLY says "AYE"

    All the news is saying he voted "Nay" on the resolution....Anyone else hear the same thing I did?? Why the discrepancy?
    The vote was whether to table the amendment not pass it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbohlig View Post
    At 3:22:05 or so, Rubio CLEARLY says "AYE"

    All the news is saying he voted "Nay" on the resolution....Anyone else hear the same thing I did?? Why the discrepancy?
    There were multiple votes on amendments. He voted Aye to table Rand's amendment. He voted Nay on final passage of the AUMF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    There were multiple votes on amendments. He voted Aye to table Rand's amendment. He voted Nay on final passage of the AUMF.
    Thanks, I figured that out shortly after posting and watching another 3 minutes of the video.

    Rubio's still a snake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbohlig View Post
    Rubio's still a snake.
    Rubio thought he was trapping Rand by bringing up Reagan's use of force but Rand simply said that the War Powers Act did not give Reagan the authority.
    Last edited by anaconda; 09-04-2013 at 03:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mit26chell View Post
    I'm actually impressed that it only lost 10-7, tbh.
    Actually, Rand's amendment to the AUMF lost 14-4.
    The AUMF itself passed 10-7 (with one "present" vote).

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    I wonder if Boxer objected to being called "Mrs. Boxer" in the roll call?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krugminator View Post
    It actually lost 14-5.

    Can't be stated enough how bad Flake is becoming.
    I don't remember anyone here mentioning during the elections that this guy Flake is an outright...

    NEOCON

    He is horrible and not to mention a WARMONGER.
    Last edited by LatinsforPaul; 09-04-2013 at 05:17 PM.
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    Motion to table Rand Paul's amendment passes 14-4. The clerk reported 14-5 but as Tsai points out there are only 18 members. Roll call as I heard it:

    Ayes
    Barasso
    Boxer (by proxy)
    Cardin
    Coons
    Corker
    Durbin
    Flake
    Kaine
    Markey
    McCain
    Menendez
    Murphy
    Rubio
    Shaheen

    Nays
    Johnson
    Paul
    Risch
    Udall
    Original supporter of Ron Paul since 2007 and lifelong supporter of liberty and the Constitution. I stand with Rand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatinsforPaul View Post
    I don't remember anyone here mentioning during the elections that this guy Flake is an outright...

    NEOCON

    He is horrible and not to mention a WARMONGER.
    I said I could not vote for him last fall after hearing a radio interview with him, where he was warmongering like crazy.






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