Verses That Destroy Arminianism

[Sola_Fide]

This will be an ongoing thread. Contribute of you want to.

1st Corinthians 1:28-30

God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,*so that no one may boast before him.*It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus,*who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness,*holiness*and redemption.* Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

God chooses.

It is "because of Him" that a Christian is in Christ.

No one can boast in his own will in choosing. Salvation is all of God.

[jmdrake]

Hello Sola_Fide. Care to answer the question of whether Hosea was an adulterer? Or are you still in hiding over that thread?

[Sola_Fide]

Romans 9:14-16

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

*It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.

Salvation does not depend on man's desire or effort, but God's mercy.

[jmdrake]

Salvation does not depend on man's desire or effort, but God's mercy.

The book of Hosea is written by a man doomed to hell (according to Sola_Fide).

[heavenlyboy34]

Do as you will, but I find threads about "destroying" others generally unproductive and unpersuasive.

[BetterCallSaul]

sola-fide, can you straighten this out for me.

(I am assuming that you are one such soul that god chose...Or rather that you believe this to be the case?)

How did you come to your faith? Did you make any choices along the way? Do you not feel a little...disingenuous? proud? vindicated? to now look at other people and think, "Well god wants me at his feet and them in hell?"

When you look at a happy dog, do you imagine that this is how it feels when looking at the shelter dogs?

[matt0611]

John 10:26 I think illustrates it pretty well.

"But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. "

Jesus doesn't say that they can become his sheep if they would believe, he tells them that they are not his sheep, and for this reason they do not believe.

I think this verse pretty much destroys many arminians claim that everyone just has a "free choice" to accept Jesus and there is no predestination etc

[Sola_Fide]

John 1:12-13

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

The ones who believe are born, not of human decision, but of God.

[Sola_Fide]

John 10:26 I think illustrates it pretty well.

"But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. "

Jesus doesn't say that they can become his sheep if they would believe, he tells them that they are not his sheep, and for this reason they do not believe.

I think this verse pretty much destroys many arminians claim that everyone just has a "free choice" to accept Jesus and there is no predestination etc

Absolutely.

"You do not believe because you are not my sheep". Can't get any clearer than that.

[Sola_Fide]

God controls the will:

The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

(Prov. 21:1).

[heavenlyboy34]

John 10:26 I think illustrates it pretty well.

"But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. "

Jesus doesn't say that they can become his sheep if they would believe, he tells them that they are not his sheep, and for this reason they do not believe.

I think this verse pretty much destroys many arminians claim that everyone just has a "free choice" to accept Jesus and there is no predestination etc

John is not a synoptic gospel, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Sola_Fide]

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

(James 1:18)

It is because of God's will, not man's, that He begat us.

[Sola_Fide]

John is not a synoptic gospel, so take it with a grain of salt.

.....WHAT?

[Sola_Fide]

Ephesians 1:3-5

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace,

God chose His elect before the creation of the world.

[heavenlyboy34]

.....WHAT?

Allow me to educate you a bit on the Synoptic vs apochryphal gospels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_Gospels

ETA: Do you ever take into account the context and intended audience of the gospels, or do you always just read into it what you want?

[eduardo89]

You seriously have an Arminianism fetish. Honestly, who cares about Calvinism and Arminianism? They're both minority fringes within Christianity.

[VIDEODROME]

God chose His elect before the creation of the world.

So he also chose the "Un-elect" before creating them? That sucks.

[pcosmar]

This will be an ongoing thread. Contribute of you want to.

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

[heavenlyboy34]

You seriously have an Arminianism fetish. Honestly, who cares about Calvinism and Arminianism? They're both minority fringes within Christianity.

Trolls gonna troll?

[Sola_Fide]

John 6:61-64

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them,*“Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!

The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.

The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”

For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing.

Jesus said "no one can come to Me unless the Father has enabled him". Jesus taught predestination and election.

[Sola_Fide]

You seriously have an Arminianism fetish. Honestly, who cares about Calvinism and Arminianism? They're both minority fringes within Christianity.

Since your apostate church endorses Jesuit/Arminian arguments, this thread is for you as well.

[BetterCallSaul]

if the flesh counts for nothing then why does the spirit get punished if you stick it in the wrong hole though?

[eduardo89]

Since your apostate church endorses Jesuit/Arminian arguments, this thread is for you as well.

Catholicism does not teach Armininianism. The Church fully believes and teaches predestination.

Catholics believe that all of the predestined will be justified, but not all of the justified are numbered among those who are predestined. That's because not all of the justified persevere to the end, as taught by Scripture (John 15:2, 6, 1 Timothy 1:19-20, Hebrews 6, 10:26-29). Since the Bible teaches that the predestined are assured glorification (Romans 8:29-30, John 10:28-29), then all those who lose lose their justification and die in that state cannot be numbered among the predestined. They were truly justified but were not numbered among the predestined. This is what is taught by the Bible, taught by Saint Augustine, and taught by the Catholic Church for nearly 2000 years. This was also taught by Martin Luther.

[erowe1]

John is not a synoptic gospel, so take it with a grain of salt.

Why does not being a synoptic gospel entail that?

[Tywysog Cymru]

I didn't know that there would be so many Calvinists here! The only ones I know IRL go to my church. Glad to see it!

[Sola_Fide]

Ephesians 1:3, 4

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God chose His elect before the foundation of the world.

[Sola_Fide]

Peter 1:2

"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”

Elect according to the foreknowledge of the Father. "Foreknowledge" describes a relationship of love that God has with His people. To "know" someone in biblical language is a term of intimacy. God knew and loved His people before the creation of the world.

This verse is also a prooftext for the Trinity. Father, Son, and Spirit are all 3 described here in their roles of redemption.

[pcosmar]

I didn't know that there would be so many Calvinists here! The only ones I know IRL go to my church. Glad to see it!

There is some truth in Calvinism. But some take it to extremes. There is also truth to Arminianism.

I believe there is a Balance within the Book. I don't see them as contradictory, but rather complementary.

As with much,, it can be overemphasized to the point of distraction and error.

There is truth in the Faith Message,, but folks tend to go overboard with it.
Even Snake handlers are scriptural based,, but go on to excess and error.

I try to find balance,

[Christian Liberty]

.....WHAT?

I think he's using secular reasoning. Most secular scholars don't believe Jesus said the things he said in John, since he preached in a different style than the Synoptic Gospels.

Of course, to me that just means Jesus preached in a different style under different circumstances.

You seriously have an Arminianism fetish. Honestly, who cares about Calvinism and Arminianism? They're both minority fringes within Christianity.

Except that the Bible teaches the Calvinistic view.

Since your apostate church endorses Jesuit/Arminian arguments, this thread is for you as well.

LOL!

I didn't know that there would be so many Calvinists here! The only ones I know IRL go to my church. Glad to see it!

I was surprised as well. I wondered if I might be the most radical here when I first joined. Sola_Fide quickly put that to rest.

[jmdrake]

Trolls gonna troll?

SF is following his predictable pattern. Having totally been beaten down in other threads that prove his false ideas false, he decides to start fresh. It's funny that they only way he can "destroy Arminianism" is to ignore the plain reading of all of the verses that support Arminianism. Proper theology is not arrived at by only selecting and analysing the verses in the Bible that seem to agree with you. Calvin himself gave commentary over the entire Bible, and when he read verses that disagreed with his position he, at times, interpreted them as they were actually written. That is something that Sola_Fide and others like him are afraid to do.