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    Hair-testing private school kids for booze

    It was coming as soon as the technology was developed...

    You can bet that any infractions will be memorialized indefinitely thanks to the data collection and retention that's "for our own good"....



    School To Use Hair Test To Screen For Student Alcohol Use

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/08/...t-alcohol-use/

    CHICAGO (CBS) — Students will face mandatory testing for drugs and also alcohol this school year, at one northwest suburban high school.

    Concerns about underage drinking prompted St. Viator High School in Arlington Heights to add alcohol to its random drug test policy.

    The test will use hair samples to determine whether a student has used alcohol in the past 90 days.

    St. Viator administrators say random drug testing of students has been ongoing since 2007, and less than 1 percent have come back positive.

    “We’re adding this test because we care about our kids and we want them to be the that best God created them to be,” said Corey Brost, St. Viator President.

    “It’s a great vehicle for them to understand that if you’re not going to be accountable to your parents, you’re going to be accountable to somebody,” said Joe Farwell, a parent of a student at St. Viator.

    And students say, it may do the job.

    “Kids fear getting suspensions from school or detentions even and maybe what their parents will do, if they find out they’re getting caught, so I think it actually will make a difference,” said St. Viator student Miguel Aguilar.

    The private school believes it is among the first in Illinois to have a mandatory alcohol testing policy.

    A spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union questions the decision, but concedes in this case that because the school is private, only parents can object to the testing.

    School officials said the tests won’t pick up trace levels of alcohol from Communion wine. Two positive tests would result in disciplinary action.
    Last edited by tod evans; 08-06-2013 at 04:27 PM.



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    It's a private school, they can do it if they want. Don't like it, don't send your kids there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    It's a private school, they can do it if they want. Don't like it, don't send your kids there.
    Could be that's why the thread title says "private school"...

    My child won't go there.

    I've just gotta wonder about the kids whos parents send them there to get marked for life..

    There's no doubt plenty of parents that relish the thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Could be that's why the thread title says "private school"...

    My child won't go there.

    I've just gotta wonder about the kids whos parents send them there to get marked for life..

    There's no doubt plenty of parents that relish the thought...
    Parents can object to the testing.

    A spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union questions the decision, but concedes in this case that because the school is private, only parents can object to the testing.
    There's also no evidence there that there will be anything but internal discipline. Nowhere does it say the school will report it to civil authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    There's also no evidence there that there will be anything but internal discipline. Nowhere does it say the school will report it to civil authorities.
    I don't believe it.

    I trust school "officials" as far as I do government officials.

    Whatever serves the agenda at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I don't believe it.

    I trust school "officials" as far as I do government officials.

    Whatever serves the agenda at the time.
    All three private schools I attended drug tested. None of them ever reported drug use to the police.

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    So? It's a PRIVATE school. Don't like it, don't send your kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    All three private schools I attended drug tested. None of them ever reported drug use to the police.
    Let me guess, none of them were in socialist meca Arlington Heights ILL...?



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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    So? It's a PRIVATE school. Don't like it, don't send your kids.
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Could be that's why the thread title says "private school"...

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    I wonder if that private school accepts ANY public money.

    My church school refused any state money (ZERO) when I attended and still doesn't.

    Get in bed with government..

    Underage drinking went on during my school years and wouldn't ya know it -the teachers and my/other's parents never caught us. If caught in a school capacity I am 100% convinced it would have not left my school.

    I was caught (home) by my parents once and they dealt with me. School-wise, things that might be considered worse than underage drinking had occurred and was dealt with between children, parents, and teachers in a manner not involving the state.

    EDIT: I see Saint Viator is a high school. I was speaking of my grade school. True story bro.

    Incidentally my church high school didn't/doesn't accept money from the state either. Same deal. Nothing was fished out to the state that school, parents, and children couldn't deal with in a private manner. Not a single cop ever.
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    I wonder how many of them are thinking about how they can't wait to go to college so they can binge drink and will now choose a college that is more friendly toward binge drinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Let me guess, none of them were in socialist meca Arlington Heights ILL...?
    They were in even more socialist Canada, Scotland, and Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    They were in even more socialist Canada, Scotland, and Germany.
    I'm not familiar with those countries, I am familiar with AH and I pity some of the headstrong kids...

    It's none of my business, being private and all, if parents want to subject their kids to hair testing at school..

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    *snip*
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    It was coming as soon as the technology was developed...

    You can bet that any infractions will be memorialized indefinitely thanks to the data collection and retention that's "for our own good"....
    As touched on...

    I totally get it Tod.

    What I don't dig about it is the relationship part really takes a hit.

    Doesn't make much sense in a church school. As I posted we were no angels -but the blessings of a good chance of mutual trust and learned/earned responsibility was always there.

    I've got absolutely no use for anything that encourages side stepping any part (good times or bad times) of a personal relationship with fellow humans.

    You will get caught vs. you might get caught... Which one actually builds a young person's character? Which one treats a young person like non-thinking livestock with no freewill?
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    Absolutely!

    This is a powerplay by parents and teachers that's not going to have any positive outcome..

    Not to mention the digital/forever age...

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    Its a Lesson for Students: Submit and Obey Authority. After all, that is the REAL purpose of Education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    There's also no evidence there that there will be anything but internal discipline. Nowhere does it say the school will report it to civil authorities.
    Wake up and smell the shoe polish on the jack boots, Eduardo. The school will be able to tell the parent(s) that little Johnny is engaging in the use of contraband. The testing service will be sending the results to the school electronically with identifying data. The NSA will be skimming that and putting it into a searchable database. Fifteen years later now-big Johnny fails to get a security clearance because he is an integrity risk with a verifiable propensity to break laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XNavyNuke View Post
    Wake up and smell the shoe polish on the jack boots, Eduardo. The school will be able to tell the parent(s) that little Johnny is engaging in the use of contraband. The testing service will be sending the results to the school electronically with identifying data. The NSA will be skimming that and putting it into a searchable database. Fifteen years later now-big Johnny fails to get a security clearance because he is an integrity risk with a verifiable propensity to break laws.

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    Conspiracy theories..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Conspiracy theories..
    /agree

    Reported!
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Its a Lesson for Students: Submit and Obey Authority. After all, that is the REAL purpose of Education.
    This. Teaching them their privacy is meaningless.
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    Whats next? The schools will demand to know if students hide dirty magazines between their matresses? If it doesnt happen at School, they have NO right to know, Public or Private is immaterial and only used as an excuse for more Surveillance. It would be like me getting to give you a Prostate Exam for delivering my Mail to find out if you have buttsecks or not. If someone does something on MY property, then it IS my business, but if it is NOT done on MY property, I have NO RIGHT TO KNOW.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    civil rights are for nerds. it's cool to have your rights violated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObiRandKenobi View Post
    civil rights are for nerds. it's cool to have your rights violated.
    That would imply that people actually have Rights. Govt wants people to believe they have Govt Permissions that they interpret as Rights. Govt distorts the definition of Rights in the minds of the people so they are fooled into thinking Rights are as useless as fake tits on a zombie chimpanzee.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObiRandKenobi View Post
    civil rights are for nerds. it's cool to have your rights violated.
    No rights are violated by this. It is a private school doing it and parents can say no.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    No rights are violated by this. It is a private school doing it and parents can say no.
    exactly. civil rights don't exist in private institutions.

    it would be like working at a private institution and expecting the bill of rights to apply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    No rights are violated by this. It is a private school doing it and parents can say no.
    I have to disagree and say that the school may have a right to know if the kids are drinking on school property, but what they do anywhere outside of school is beyond the scope of the schools authority. And isnt really what this is all about? Schools having Unlimited Unaccountable Authority?

    Freedom. Yeah, free to pull your kids out of this school and put them in public school. That is like saying you are free because you can choose between Coke and Pepsi. The Illusion of Choice is the Illusion of Freedom. And the Illusion of Authority is the foundation of Misplaced Power.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    I have to disagree and say that the school may have a right to know if the kids are drinking on school property, but what they do anywhere outside of school is beyond the scope of the schools authority. And isnt really what this is all about? Schools having Unlimited Unaccountable Authority?

    Freedom. Yeah, free to pull your kids out of this school and put them in public school. That is like saying you are free because you can choose between Coke and Pepsi. The Illusion of Choice is the Illusion of Freedom. And the Illusion of Authority is the foundation of Misplaced Power.
    Private schools are usually run by board appointed by parents. If the parents don't want this they can change the school's board. They can also opt-out of the testing. They can also send their children to a different private school. They can also homeschool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    Private schools are usually run by board appointed by parents. If the parents don't want this they can change the school's board. They can also opt-out of the testing. They can also send their children to a different private school. They can also homeschool.
    Slightly off topic, but in general the whole idea of Opt Out I find to be completely offensive (nothing against you). Problem is Silence = Concent. People should not have to Opt Out of anything, ever. Automagically enrolling in anything without a persons Explicit Concent is Implied Concent, and we all know how much abuse comes from Implied Concent.

    Back on topic, the problem is the Power was never granted to the Schoolboard to begin with. They are assuming powers they do not have. The Right to Monitor someone outside of school is a Right that NO ONE has.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Let me guess, none of them were in socialist meca Arlington Heights ILL...?
    Hey I live here, at least it's not as bad as Chicago...

    and I know someone who works at the school...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I wonder how many of them are thinking about how they can't wait to go to college so they can binge drink and will now choose a college that is more friendly toward binge drinking.
    At the private catholic university I attended for a bit; if the R.A.'s caught you with beer/booze you'd get fined and they'd tell your parents. If the priest who lived in the dorm caught you, he'd make you watch as he drank your beer/booze for a bit and took the rest home with him; but you wouldn't get fined or tell your parents. When sneaking the stuff in we'd always take the fire escape on the side the priest lived instead of the side the R.A.s lived on.

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