View Poll Results: Are there times when dropping WMD on cities with civilian populated buildings is justified

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Thread: Are there times when dropping WMD on cities with civilian populated buildings is justified

  1. #961

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    What do you tell a Japan with two black eyes?

    Nothing, you already told them twice!

    Too soon?
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
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  3. #962

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    Quote Originally Posted by better-dead-than-fed View Post
    Are you defending yourself against aggression? Are the people who are for some reason labeled "civilians" responsible for the aggression? Did the "civilians" elect aggressive leaders? Do the "civilians" voluntarily act as informants in support of the aggressive leaders? Do the "civilians" provide financial support to the aggressive leaders? Do they pay taxes? If the answers are "yes", then what makes the "civilians" "innocent"? Would dropping the WMD's deter future aggression?
    No one "pays" taxes. Taxes don't exist on a voluntary basis. If you want to eat and have a place to sleep you have to work. The government then takes what it wants. That is how taxes work. So when your choices are starve or face extortion, almost everyone will choose extortion. Its called survival.

    Also, trying to pretend civilians isn't a proper term just makes you look moronic. You sound like a Progressive trying to blame the companies that make guns for the fact that some of their guns are used in school shootings. Are you a Democrat? Because that is the only way your Leftists collectivist drivel can be explained. Only a Leftist could justify punishing everyone for the actions of a specific group instead of just punishing that group or person. Especially when the people you're trying to justify punishing are almost entirely hostages themselves.
    Last edited by PierzStyx; 08-10-2017 at 12:56 PM.
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  4. #963

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    "The last move in politics is always to pick up the gun." -- R. Buckminster Fuller
    “First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire."-Roland Deschain
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

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  5. #964

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    Quote Originally Posted by better-dead-than-fed View Post
    If a robber sticks a gun in your face, and you know the robber is going to use your money to kill innocent civilians, you have options: You can resist, or you can hand your money over to him. Why not resist? The robber might kill you, but how could God hold that against you?

    If an aggressor sticks a gun in your face and orders you to drop WMD's on innocent civilians, what will you do?
    Why not resist? Because you alone have no chance of defeating a million person gang armed to the teeth who will torture, rape, and murder you, your wife, and your children if you don't comply. Its the same reason your couch warrior arse is sitting at home instead of invading DC right this moment.

    If you're being ordered to operate WMDs then you're a soldier, not a civilian. Thus that argument has no bearing on justifying the murder of civilians.
    Last edited by PierzStyx; 08-10-2017 at 01:52 PM.
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  6. #965

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    Also, screw all 33 of you who thought burning children alive in atomic weapons fire is ever a good idea. Just really, $#@! you.
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

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  7. #966

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    And the US is different? Don't remember Japan or Germany dropping nukes on cities.
    That reminds me-Murica firebombed the $#@! out of Dresden.(also a civilian center) too. :'(

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Also, screw all 33 of you who thought burning children alive in atomic weapons fire is ever a good idea. Just really, $#@! you.
    I'm sure most of them just voted that way to give the impression that their edgy.

  9. #968

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    And the US is different? Don't remember Japan or Germany dropping nukes on cities.
    In fact most people don't seem to understand that when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor they went out of their way to NOT bomb and kill American civilians. Just look at the map!



    Pearl City is RIGHT THERE! The only way you couldn't hit it is if you were trying not to do so.

    Which is not to say the Japanese didn't attack civilians. They did. Horrifically so in China. But they never attacked American civilians.
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

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  10. #969

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    In fact most people don't seem to understand that when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor they went out of their way to NOT bomb and kill American civilians. Just look at the map!



    Pearl City is RIGHT THERE! The only way you couldn't hit it is if you were trying not to do so.

    Which is not to say the Japanese didn't attack civilians. They did. Horrifically so in China. But they never attacked American civilians.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PierzStyx again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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  11. #970

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Covered.
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  12. #971

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    Americans largely support using nukes, even against civilians



    Thermonuclear test, 1952. (National Nuclear Security Administration via Wikimedia/public domain)


    By David Trilling
    Last updated: September 1, 2017

    Scott Sagan of Stanford University and Benjamin Valentino of Dartmouth College designed a hypothetical scenario in which Iran – responding to new Western sanctions – starts a war by attacking a U.S. ship and killing thousands of American service members. The scenario, of course, is reminiscent of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, which brought the U.S. into World War II. What follows, in this hypothetical, is a protracted conflict that has claimed thousands of casualties on both sides.
    To win this war, Tehran must be captured. America could invade with ground troops or launch a devastating attack that would kill thousands of civilians.


    The scholars present three scenarios to a representative set of 780 adult Americans as an alternative to a continued ground war that would kill 20,000 American soldiers:
    1) Drop a nuclear bomb that would kill 100,000 Iranian civilians in Mashhad, Iran’s second city?
    2) Drop a nuke that would kill 2 million Iranian civilians? Or
    3) drop conventional bombs that would kill 100,000 Iranian civilians?

    The respondents were asked questions to test their approval for each of these scenarios and their preference.

    Key takeaways:


    • A majority of Americans approved the bombing in all three scenarios.
    • In two scenarios, the respondents preferred the air strike to the risk of a ground war: The nuclear strike that kills 100,000 Iranian civilians and the conventional air strike that kills 100,000 civilians.
    • A small majority of respondents (52.3 percent) preferred the ground war (and loss of 20,000 U.S. troops) to the death of 2 million Iranian civilians in a nuclear strike.
    • Among those who oppose both types of airstrikes, the majority judge them unethical. There is not a statistically significant difference in moral judgement of nuclear strikes or conventicle air strikes when 100,000 civilians are killed: “This suggests that anti-nuclear norms add little to the aversion to killing civilians.”
    • Those who support the airstrikes (and thus the killing of noncombatant civilians) include:
      • 69.5 percent of Republicans and 48.4 percent of Democrats;
      • 51.6 percent of people under age 60 and 70.5 percent of people age 60 and above;
      • 31.5 percent of Americans who oppose the death penalty and 67.3 percent of those who approve of the death penalty.

    • They found no statistically significant difference by race (white or non-white), education or gender.
    • In an open-ended question, the majority of those who supported the bombing scenarios cited “saving American lives” or “ending the war quickly” as their reason. Surprising the researchers, a number also suggested that Iranian civilians, because their country started the conflict, “were somehow culpable or were less than human.”
    • Given the option of a diplomatic solution that would not prosecute Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, but would leave him without political power: A roughly equal proportion chose that scenario as chose the nuclear air strike that kills 100,000 civilians.



    https://journalistsresource.org/stud...trike-research

  13. #972

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    Quote Originally Posted by better-dead-than-fed View Post
    Are you defending yourself against aggression? Are the people who are for some reason labeled "civilians" responsible for the aggression? Did the "civilians" elect aggressive leaders? Do the "civilians" voluntarily act as informants in support of the aggressive leaders? Do the "civilians" provide financial support to the aggressive leaders? Do they pay taxes? If the answers are "yes", then what makes the "civilians" "innocent"? Would dropping the WMD's deter future aggression?
    Extreme social engineering.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

  14. #973

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    I would have to vote no currently . If I do it then yes , anyone else , no.

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