If we could buy 1000 acres or more, who would join us?

[presence]

deb do you know about the FEC?

http://www.thefec.org/


Sandhill, Twin Oaks, East Wind, Acorn, Dancing Rabbit, etc. Each has its own "political philosophy"; most slant "libertarian socialist"


East Wind is a community of 75 people on 1500 acres in the Ozarks, they're very communal and financially in good shape because of a "community owned" peanut butter business.


Dancing Rabbit is another 300 acre Missouri community where the HOA stipulation is "no grid tie"...everything is solar and permaculture oriented.


also take a look here;


http://www.ic.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community
http://www.schoolofliving.org/intcommunities.htm


keywords: intentional community, egalitarian community, coop, sustainable community, permaculture,

[Nobexliberty]

Do not forget effective firefighting is very important, without it it will all burn down within a year due to lack of the ability to contain fires.

[tod evans]

Those living off the dole whose entitlements are cut off due to a full scale economic collapse. First targeted would be those living in densely populated areas who resort to civil unrest (as I stated in my OP).

Back in the late 70's early 80's urban populations were considered by military to be easily contained...

Tactics might have changed since then but I kind of doubt it.

And which those of us who move to remote areas will be under the radar. Look at banning together as a way to help each other in the event of collapse and martial law. Some of us have the wherewithal to do it, some of us need the help to do it.

Families banding together in counties that are rich in water and game with fairly temperate climates stand a much better than average chance of pulling through whatever government does..

There are so many different scenarios that could happen and in every one I can think of I want rivers and lakes, caves, deer, rabbit, wild berries and nuts...

Coastal areas will be seized long before government heads to the backwoods.

Notice I failed to even entertain such things as fuel or electricity?

Those will be the next easiest methods of control after securing the urban areas, and make no mistake, government will have both fuel and electricity....

[Deborah K]

Probably better than buying a private reserve to live on would be to establish a new town/city somewhere. FSP-style, but smaller scale, village-sized. If the land can be worked and the state chosen isn't too intrusive, it accomplishes the goals intended by the original proposal and then some, as we'd have local political control as well.

Alternatively we could find an existing town that could suit the purpose, as long as it had an existing population amenable to the change and of the tradition of neighborliness that minds its own business.

This is very appealing to me.

[Carlybee]

I can't move but I can tell you there is a HUGE network of preppers/liberty minded people living in the rural Carolina's.

This guy would help you out if you wanted to locate there:
http://www.youtube.com/user/southernprepper1/videos
southernprepper1@yahoo.com

These guys live there too:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sootch00/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/engineer775/videos

I wouldnt mind living in NC...my ancestors settled some areas there and its pretty country. Not sure about job situations. Unfortunately I am not able to retire yet.

[sam1952]

The idea of moving to a established area makes the most sense to me. I live very rural in a village in south west PA. The village has a general store and a post office with about 15 single family homes. The rest of the area is farmland and 10 plus acre homesteads. 90% of these people are already liberity minded and don't even know it meaning they leave their neighbors alone, dislike state government interference. Believe in personal and property rights and have never heard of Ron Paul. I'm sure this way of life is scattered and repeated through the entire country.

I say pick a place you want to live and start moving family/like minded people there. If a current FSP is not apealing for whatever reason find your own haven and start another.

[luctor-et-emergo]

It's the idea, the concept that we're trying to work out, at this point. I'm trying to get people I care about to start thinking about their options.

Right, well I'm all in favor of that. In fact I'm willing to help planning in a general way efficient means of food production. Out of interest in such a project, so at absolutely no cost.
But apart from that I encourage this idea because even without an economic collapse it can be a worthwhile endeavour since you don't live to work inside the system. I can't speak for all but me personally, I live my life simply to be happy and be occupied with things that interest me. So in that light, starting a community of like minded people is a very good means of increasing happiness.. It does however cost a lot of energy to 'create' a vibrant community of people working together, something I'd be more than willing to help achieve. This is one of the reasons I have joined these boards as a foreigner, with no future plans to move to the US. (I do have family living in the US)

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I have been actively searching for a place to move with little luck. I would love a little plot of land where I can garden and just do whatever the hell I want as long as I am not infringing upon the life, liberty or property of another. Someplace I can establish an auction gallery with as little interference from "The Man" as possible would be great as well. Basically, I could care less if they nuke us within a years time - I would be VERY interested as it is what I am trying to do anyway.

[Deborah K]

Back in the late 70's early 80's urban populations were considered by military to be easily contained...

Tactics might have changed since then but I kind of doubt it.

The slow response to the Rodney King verdict in the 90s would prove otherwise. However, I'm certain the police state has figured out how to quell such a response now. I still stand by my opinion that the focus won't be on the self sufficient - at least not for a while - there are 300 million people to control in this country. The out-of-control will be in the cross hairs. Think of Katrina 300 fold.

Families banding together in counties that are rich in water and game with fairly temperate climates stand a much better than average chance of pulling through whatever government does..

I agree, and am not concerned about those who have the wherewithal to do this. I'm just not a "in it for myself and my own" type. I'd like for people who won't stand a chance based on their circumstances to have an option. I strongly feel that liberty activists need to start giving consideration to their options.

Notice I failed to even entertain such things as fuel or electricity?

Those will be the next easiest methods of control after securing the urban areas, and make no mistake, government will have both fuel and electricity...

Turbines....natural gas wells.....solar.....biogasification?

[presence]

I have been actively searching for a place to move with little luck. I would love a little plot of land where I can garden and just do whatever the hell I want as long as I am not infringing upon the life, liberty or property of another. Someplace I can establish an auction gallery with as little interference from "The Man" as possible would be great as well. Basically, I could care less if they nuke us within a years time - I would be VERY interested as it is what I am trying to do anyway.

I found the last two places I've lived through unitedcountry

http://www.unitedcountry.com/realest...tate/index.htm

I prefer to sort by "price ascending"


I'm 3 sides to state forest right now. Love my location.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I found the last two places I've lived through unitedcountry

http://www.unitedcountry.com/realest...tate/index.htm

I prefer to sort by "price ascending"


I'm 3 sides to state forest right now. Love my location.

That is an awesome website - thanks a bunch!

[WhistlinDave]

I live in California too and have been thinking about this a lot lately. I'm currently in between jobs and the job market is insane, trying to get something making what I used to make, so I can afford to live. Bare minimum I need to make at least $5,000. per month just to pay the bills and keep our heads above water!! It's ridiculous. Our house is in foreclosure and if I don't get this job I just interviewed for and work something out with the bank, we're going to have to move very soon. And all of it just makes me think "WTF am I doing? When the SHTF none of this is going to matter, not the house, not any job, not money, not any of it."

My kid is still in high school for one more year and the wife and I have discussed moving out of state many times, but we've decided to stay put here for at least one more year for him to finish school with his friends, not uproot. I just hope the big fan remains clean and sh*t-free for one more year. (i.e. I hope the dollar doesn't lose its status as the world's reserve currency for one more year. Because that is when it will really hit the fan, imho.)

Anyway Deb, if you end up starting up something of your own instead of going with something pre-existing, you can count me in. I don't have any real assets to bring to the table except some brains and muscle. I'm a workhorse and I'll work my ass off.

I would just need to make sure wherever we end up, it's friendly to atheists. The wife is atheist and while I'm not exactly atheist myself, I tend to share her disdain for people trying to shove their religion on everyone else. So that's a major requirement for wherever we end up, if we were to join a free living type of community. Gotta have freedom of religion.

[kahless]

You may already be familiar with this but if not, James Rawles runs survivalblog.com and is encouraging as a safe haven for survivalists, conservatives, Christians and Jews to move to a region he calls the "American Redoubt". Five low density states of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, eastern Oregon, and eastern Washington. The concept was endorsed by former presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin who moved to Montana.

http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Redoubt
https://www.facebook.com/AmRedoubt

Survival blogs State Level Data and Rankings
http://www.survivalblog.com/retreatareas.html

[Tod]

I wonder if the FSP would be experiencing greater influence in NH if it had started out focusing on a single county in the state and, upon re-making life there, spilling out into neighboring counties?

[Czolgosz]

I wonder if the FSP would be experiencing greater influence in NH if it had started out focusing on a single county in the state and, upon re-making life there, spilling out into neighboring counties?

I think that would be the preferred method of serving liberty. Show a small town doing well, w/o the State.

[Deborah K]

I live in California too and have been thinking about this a lot lately. I'm currently in between jobs and the job market is insane, trying to get something making what I used to make, so I can afford to live. Bare minimum I need to make at least $5,000. per month just to pay the bills and keep our heads above water!! It's ridiculous. Our house is in foreclosure and if I don't get this job I just interviewed for and work something out with the bank, we're going to have to move very soon. And all of it just makes me think "WTF am I doing? When the SHTF none of this is going to matter, not the house, not any job, not money, not any of it."

My kid is still in high school for one more year and the wife and I have discussed moving out of state many times, but we've decided to stay put here for at least one more year for him to finish school with his friends, not uproot. I just hope the big fan remains clean and sh*t-free for one more year. (i.e. I hope the dollar doesn't lose its status as the world's reserve currency for one more year. Because that is when it will really hit the fan, imho.)

Anyway Deb, if you end up starting up something of your own instead of going with something pre-existing, you can count me in. I don't have any real assets to bring to the table except some brains and muscle. I'm a workhorse and I'll work my ass off.

I would just need to make sure wherever we end up, it's friendly to atheists. The wife is atheist and while I'm not exactly atheist myself, I tend to share her disdain for people trying to shove their religion on everyone else. So that's a major requirement for wherever we end up, if we were to join a free living type of community. Gotta have freedom of religion.

Dave, I'm a woman of very deep faith. But I too, share in your disdain for people trying to shove religion on others. I love anyone with a 'live and let live' philosophy.

[amy31416]

I'm wishy-washy at the moment. I like the idea, but I want to see where it is and how things would work. I could potentially do it in the right circumstances.

ETA: I have come across a whole town for sale on Zillow before--might be something to keep an eye out for.

[Deborah K]

I think that would be the preferred method of serving liberty. Show a small town doing well, w/o the State.

We could be that small town....

[Tod]

What would be the best way to achieve this goal of an area of the country maximizing liberty? Look for a large plot of land to either divide among various libertarian owners or own in common? That would require coordination of time, effort, life circumstances, and finances among a group of people. If it could be done, a lot could happen in a short amount of time, but actually pulling the trigger would be difficult to coordinate. Alternatively, an approach like the FSP could happen, perhaps with a more focused geographical area (which could also pose difficulties as land might take longer to appear on the market).

I've been looking for land near me in this county of relatively low population density, mostly agricultural use. Sizable farms do not come on the market frequently here.

Currently, http://www.landwatch.com/Ohio_land_f...Ashland_County lists

0-10 Acres (87 properties)
11-50 Acres (6 properties)
51-100 Acres (1 property)

Land in the northern part of the county is generally quite flat while in the southern part it can be too steep to till and is generally more wooded.

Remember, this is pretty fertile ground, so a person doesn't need to own as much ground as they would in dry western states.

[tod evans]

Anybody who hasn't read "Lights out" here's a free PDF;

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/ficti...htsout1-10.pdf

I really enjoyed it.

[WhistlinDave]

Dave, I'm a woman of very deep faith. But I too, share in your disdain for people trying to shove religion on others. I love anyone with a 'live and let live' philosophy.

That's good enough for me! And that's definitely my philosophy. Truth be told, I actually have very deep faith myself... My spiritual beliefs are just very different from the definitions and doctrines provided by the religion shared by most people in this country.

[Nobexliberty]

The midwest is a good place, dakotas should work. Very fertile land and low population so buying land should not be a problem.

[Lindsey]

I'm all for the town idea.

We are looking for a place to relocate. For us, we want a mild/moderate climate - preferably some place that doesn't freeze too often and doesn't stay over 90 and humid for too long. We were actually considering Northern CA, such as Humboldt and Trinity counties, but every time I see one of these threads on RPF, I start to question my sanity on even considering a move to CA.

Best of Luck in whatever direction you choose. I look forward to watching you develop a pro-liberty community somewhere If welcomed, and the situation was right for us, I would love to be a part of such a community.

[oyarde]

If you want alot of freedom, probably going to have a little "weather" .

[tangent4ronpaul]

Hi Deb,

You might pencil me in if you are considering anything east. Say within a gas tanks drive? We have ties here, but a bugout retreat/vacation spot would be perfect. Come up weekends or for a week or two at a time, depending on what's going on. Maybe summers, if we could get someone to take care of the house. Depending on cost and location, this sounds interesting. I've kind of been looking at OH, W.VA. and PA.

-t

[GunnyFreedom]

I'd be interested. East of the Mississippi one of the best areas is the Cumberland Plateau. Consider that if the S does HTF, geography will be more important than whatever government happened to fail around you. Out west, I like the MT/WY border, but that's a bit more northern than I like and hard to grow food.

[pcosmar]

I completely respect your stance. Moving somewhere remote with just our families and close friends remains an option.

No plans of moving again. I am here.
But, not knowing exactly where my feet will take me,, it would be nice to be welcomed if I visit.

I am hoping that there will be many pockets of liberty minded people. Scattered throughout the country.

[Bastiat's The Law]

The midwest is a good place, dakotasshould work. Very fertile land and low population so buying land should not be a problem.

It would be fascinating if even a relatively small number of people moved into a quaint midwest town.

[ClydeCoulter]

My wife has property in Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and we've been thinking of moving there eventually. Would be great to have liberty minded people in the area. I've thought about buying more property there, also.

[tod evans]

My wife has property in Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and we've been thinking of moving there eventually. Would be great to have liberty minded people in the area. I've thought about buying more property there, also.

Holy $#@!!

+rep, Family dirt/mountains/game/et-al!