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    [Video] Rand Paul at press conference re: Military Sexual Assault 7/16/13


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfhalqa5GEY

    Rand also answers how he was convinced to sign onto the bill (26:00) and Gillibrand explains the changes Rand made to the bill (28:25) during the rest of the press conference:
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Assaultsinth



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    That's cool because we can never have enough laws.

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    If Rand wasn't involved, I would say this is another case of politicians passing laws to get votes (women in combat) and then passing more laws to fix the problems they caused (women in close proximity to horny aggressive men).

    Also couldn't the President just ask his commanders to order rapes to be reported to someone other than a commanding officer? Oh man what am I thinking but then there wouldn't be any need for a new bill and press conferences and hearings and facebook status updates and then what would we do!?
    Last edited by ObiRandKenobi; 07-16-2013 at 12:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObiRandKenobi View Post
    That's cool because we can never have enough laws.
    It's just stuff that effects the military which is under government control. They are arguably managing the one damn thing they ought to manage. Although I'm against standing armies, I won't get into that discussion.

    I agree with this law because if something is not of military nature, such as rape, then it shouldn't be managed by one's superior. Just think if that was the case at your workplace.
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    Bill Kristol attacks Rand and Cruz for being anti-military:

    Paul and Cruz Join the Anti-Military Caucus

    The Obama administration has worked diligently to shrink, underfund, and demoralize the military. Now, Politico reports, two Republican senators, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, are joining an effort led by New York senator Kirsten Gillibrand that goes beyond where even the Obama administration is willing to go in weakening the military.

    Sens. Paul and Cruz are signing on to Sen. Gillibrand's proposal to undermine the military's chain of command on behalf of the pseudo-crisis of military sexual assault. The Obama administration thinks Gillibrand's proposal is a bad idea. It is a bad idea. We're curious to hear what substantive arguments Paul and Cruz will make on behalf of this proposal. Or is this just media grandstanding, like their last bold intervention in national security policy, when they raised the alarm about the dire threat of drone attacks on Americans sitting in cafes?
    h ttp://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-and-cruz-join-anti-military-caucus_739860.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    Bill Kristol attacks Rand and Cruz for being anti-military:



    h ttp://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-and-cruz-join-anti-military-caucus_739860.html
    I have strong ugly words to describe Kristol, but I'll keep them to my self for now (okay NSA?).

    As to the OP, good on Rand. And, I agree with AlexAmore on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    Bill Kristol attacks Rand and Cruz for being anti-military:



    h ttp://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-and-cruz-join-anti-military-caucus_739860.html
    OMG, I can't believe I agree with Bill Kristol! But he is right on this one: this measure will have demoralizing effect on the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexAmore View Post
    I agree with this law because if something is not of military nature, such as rape, then it shouldn't be managed by one's superior. Just think if that was the case at your workplace.
    You can't run the army the way you run your office.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    OMG, I can't believe I agree with Bill Kristol! But he is right on this one: this measure will have demoralizing effect on the military.
    This is like giving a 9 year old the keys to your car. If you take them away from him later on, he'll feel demoralized...but he never should have them in the first place. Nobody would be complaining about this if it was handled properly from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    You can't run the army the way you run your office.
    True, but you can have laws against rape apply to the military.

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    Rand was smart to bring Cruz along for the ride on this as this is conservative cover that can't be besmirched by the neos. They got no decent politicians that the base likes that they can shift attention to and have any meaningful stick. This is what a wing man does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    Bill Kristol attacks Rand and Cruz for being anti-military:



    h ttp://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-and-cruz-join-anti-military-caucus_739860.html
    This has to be a good bill if Bill Kristol opposes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexAmore View Post
    It's just stuff that effects the military which is under government control. They are arguably managing the one damn thing they ought to manage.
    ^This. This is one issue that Congress actually has jurisdiction over and should be addressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Rand was smart to bring Cruz along for the ride on this as this is conservative cover that can't be besmirched by the neos.
    I think Cruz may have brought Rand along as Cruz voted for the bill in committee last month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Rand was smart to bring Cruz along for the ride on this as this is conservative cover that can't be besmirched by the neos. They got no decent politicians that the base likes that they can shift attention to and have any meaningful stick. This is what a wing man does.
    I really like the Rand/Cruz/Lee partnership. If Rand wins in 2016, I wonder who he'd give the AG spot to...both of them are lawyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    I think Cruz may have brought Rand along as Cruz voted for the bill in committee last month.
    Even better imo. You don't take on anything military related from the GOP corner w/o bringing your Ace with you. By Cruz doing this he's helping showcase Rand even more and shows he's open to more realism in the military and foreign policy. Limiting the chain of command's power is necessary to show them who the real boss is...Congress.



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    You're not supposed to get embarrassingly drunk in the military either but the soliders always do it.
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    Senators should pass bills that almost everyone including the CiC already agrees with and could easily accomplish by, you know, ordering the military under his command to do stuff.

    On the next episode of good governing...

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    If there's one thing that Senators that have never served in combat do well, it's pass bills that increase military effectiveness and efficiency. This is why the Pentagon is a well-oiled machine.

    George Washington once said "Want to improve military efficacy? Ask female Senators what they think."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObiRandKenobi View Post
    George Washington once said "Want to improve military efficacy? Ask female Senators what they think."
    Or was it idiot GOP political consultants that lose election after election? Hmmm...

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    That was cool on several levels. Good for Rand. Good for actual real "bipartisanship." Interesting that Rand spoke for the group. Side note: Barbara Boxer has gone blonde!
    Last edited by anaconda; 07-16-2013 at 03:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Good for actual real "bipartisanship."
    Bipartisanship = good policy.

    For example: Iraq.

    Thomas Jefferson once said: "The key to good governing is go along to get along".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObiRandKenobi View Post
    Bipartisanship = good policy.

    For example: Iraq.
    Iraq = Not good "bipartisanship." That's "co-partisanship" on behalf of the special interests, of which I mean to distinguish from legislating on Constitutionally enumerated (military code) issues that serve the best interests of The People. Like not having our wives and daughters attacked while doing their armed forces duty and then having it covered up by a higher chain of command.
    Last edited by anaconda; 07-16-2013 at 03:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Iraq = Not real "bipartisanship." That's "co-partisanship" on behalf of the special interests, of which I mean to distinguish from legislating on Constitutionally enumerated (military code) that serve the best interests of The People.
    I think we can all agree that George Washington and the founding fathers would love the idea that men and women that never served in the military were passing bills to fix problems stemming from bills passed by men and women that never served in the military, in response to complaints from men and women who never served in the military.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    I really like the Rand/Cruz/Lee partnership. If Rand wins in 2016, I wonder who he'd give the AG spot to...both of them are lawyers.
    I'm kinda leaning now into keeping them in the Senate. We all know how few good Senators there are.

    I'd make Judge Nap AG. Too old for Supreme Court IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObiRandKenobi View Post
    That's cool because we can never have enough laws.
    Meh. Promulgating rules for the U.S. military falls within the proper mandate of the federal government.

    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    Bill Kristol attacks Rand and Cruz for being anti-military:
    proper function of US gov. + Bill Kristol hates it = I have zero problems with this


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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    I'm kinda leaning now into keeping them in the Senate. We all know how few good Senators there are.

    I'd make Judge Nap AG. Too old for Supreme Court IMO.
    I honestly wouldn't nominate Judge Napolitano for any cabinet position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    OMG, I can't believe I agree with Bill Kristol! But he is right on this one: this measure will have demoralizing effect on the military.
    Good. Maybe it'll become so demoralized that its members will disobey orders to murder children all around the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    I really like the Rand/Cruz/Lee partnership. If Rand wins in 2016, I wonder who he'd give the AG spot to...both of them are lawyers.
    I don't trust Cruz one damn bit, especially with the pollsters inserting his name into every poll now in an attempt to undermine Rand's support. And with Cruz blurring the lines posing as agreeing with Rand on damn near everything it allows those that don't like Rand's father to throw their support behind Cruz because they appear very similar in policy. Cruz having Jeb Bush's son as his PAC co-chair should throw up a BIG alarm to anyone, add in his executive goldman sachs wife and to me this is a recipe for disaster. Yes, I'm glad Rand has an ally, yes I'm glad Rand don't have to go at all this alone.. However when you look into his background and connections I see major problems especially when the talking heads start pushing his name only to divide and conquer.

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    Sexual assault is a problem in the military because of the current way the system is set up. I have not read this bill so I can't comment on how it may or may not address the problem, but the current system is definitely $#@!ed. Having commanders in charge of punishing violent crimes is asking for trouble.

    Their is an excellent documentary covering this called Invisible Army.

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