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    Israel puts immigrants in concentration camps! (Rand Paul would not approve)

    Israel deports 14 Eritrean asylum-seekers

    http://www.latimes.com/news/world/wo...,5194014.story


    JERUSALEM -- Israel quietly returned 14 Eritrean refugees back to their restive African country and is planning to send home as many as 200 more in the coming days, refugee-rights groups said Monday.


    Israeli officials declined to comment directly on the 14 cases Monday, but the Interior Ministry said in a statement that all refugees who are repatriated have signed voluntary consent forms and agreed to go home.


    Activists for the refugees say the practice may not be legal because refugees appear to have been threatened and pressured, according to Reut Michaeli, executive director of the Tel Aviv-based Hotline for Migrant Workers.


    She said 1,800 Eritreans refugees are currently being held in Israeli jails and detention centers in the Negev desert, with only limited access to legal or humanitarian groups. Most were taken to prison after crossing the Egyptian border.


    She said the refugees have been told that unless they agree to return to Eritrea, they will remain in prison under harsh conditions.
    Is this supposed to be a democracy? Sound more like Jewish supremacy to me.



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    No comments? I think this news is pretty extraordinary. We've got this nation of Israel, which our "friend" and "greatest ally" and it treats blacks worse than they were treated under Jim Crow.

    How dare they deny a citizenship to the hard-working African immigrants, who just came there to work? Where is Jennifer Rubin to condemn this loathsome Nativism?

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    As Rhet said; "Frankly my Dear, I don't give a damn."

    This broke and overburdened country I live in needs to get it's act together and quit messing around everywhere!

    It's not my business who does what to whom halfway around the globe and trying to invoke some type of emotional response with statements like "The Joos are pickin' on the Blacks" has no effect on me at all.

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    So what? Most European countries deport illegal immigrants too.

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    Really? since when are we hard lefties who love illegal immigrants and call them refugees?

    Egypt blows their heads off, they should thank their lucky stars that they made into Israel at all.

    Racism against blacks in Israel is roughly equivalent to racism here in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    So what? Most European countries deport illegal immigrants too.
    Who cares about what European countries do? They are despised by Conservatives. The county in question is Israel, which is supposed to be our "greatest ally".

    Deporting immigrants (any immigrants) is stupid and morally wrong. Don't you know, we should be welcoming of immigrants? Rand Paul told you so.

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    So they deported a whopping 14 illegal immigrants and you make a thread about it? And all those 14 where repatriated voluntary and received an aid package which your article does not mention.

    Im for open borders yet many on this forum including Israel bashers want stricter borders. Israel enforces theirs and people complain saying they are acting like Nazis which is ridiculous.

    Post a couple of articles about what goes on in other countries with Illegal immigrants who get far harsher treatment than voluntary reparation and aid packages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    Who cares about what European countries do? They are despised by Conservatives. The county in question is Israel, which is supposed to be our "greatest ally".

    Deporting immigrants (any immigrants) is stupid and morally wrong. Don't you know, we should be welcoming of immigrants? Rand Paul told you so.
    There's no proof that they didn't choose to return to their country. Israel is literally an immigrant nation even more so than the US. Almost everyone there has at least one family member who wasn't born in Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    No comments? I think this news is pretty extraordinary. We've got this nation of Israel, which our "friend" and "greatest ally" and it treats blacks worse than they were treated under Jim Crow.

    How dare they deny a citizenship to the hard-working African immigrants, who just came there to work? Where is Jennifer Rubin to condemn this loathsome Nativism?
    Israel is a sovereign nation and has the right to turn anyone down for entry that they damn well choose. And so does the U.S. for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    Racism against blacks in Israel is roughly equivalent to racism here in the US.
    lol In Israel they make forced injections to black immigrant women, so that they don't breed. Imagine that! This is truly a racist State.

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    Related, Israel is going to pay African countries to take their migrants back in Aid and Arms.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...402834,00.html

    Israel to trade arms for migrants with African countries

    Senior official says deal nearly sealed with African countries to take tens of thousands of migrants in exchange for arms, military training, knowledge

    Itamar Eichner
    Published: 07.09.13, 15:15 / Israel News

    Israel is close to signing a deal with several African countries who will accept tens of thousands of African migrants currently residing in Israel in exchange for a benefits package including security, economic and agricultural aid.

    According to a senior official, the security aid will include Israeli arms and military knowledge and training.

    Related stories:

    African migrant charged with rape of cleaning woman
    Illegal migrants find 'no peace' in Israel
    New law to allow indefinite detention of migrants

    Such deals are close to being finalized with at least three African countries, the official said. Israel's chief negotiator in the talks was Hagai Hadas, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's special advisor.

    Another Israeli official added that Israel continues to explore the possibility of returning North Sudanese and Eritrean migrants to their home countries.

    According to data presented on Monday to the government, it appears that on the first half of 2013 only 34 migrants crossed the Egyptian border into Israel. "The fence we've built is highly significant in buffeting the infiltration into Israel," Netanyahu said.

    But some related the drastic fall in the number of new migrants to the restrictions on employing migrants, including the limitation on migrants' sending money home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwax23 View Post
    So they deported a whopping 14 illegal immigrants and you make a thread about it? And all those 14 where repatriated voluntary and received an aid package which your article does not mention.
    What about the thousands who are held at concentration camps. Isn't that a brutal violation of basic human rights?
    Quote Originally Posted by gwax23 View Post
    Im for open borders yet many on this forum including Israel bashers want stricter borders. Israel enforces theirs and people complain saying they are acting like Nazis which is ridiculous.
    You support open-borders for America, while endorcing the Jewish supremacy in Israel. Now, that is ridiculous.

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    Wow. The lack of compassion is amazing.

    The Jews were denied sanctuary all over Europe, as well as America, and now we say "oh dear!", but these Africans are obviously illegal heathens so who gives a $#@!?

    Eritrea is one of the most oppressive governments in the world. Most of these emigrants are either Jews or of a non-accepted Christian religion.

    Restrictions on Religious Freedom

    It is unlawful to practice a faith unless it is one of four "registered" religions: Eritrean Orthodox, Muslim, Catholic, or Lutheran. Security forces arrest members of "unregistered" religions, often during religious services. A religious-freedom monitoring group reported that scores were arrested in 2010. Persons arrested for this reason are subject to the same torture and abuse as other prisoners, but can often obtain their release by renouncing their faith. Those who refuse sometimes pay with their lives. Jehovah's Witnesses are especially targeted; three have been detained since 1994 for refusing to submit to military service. The patriarch of the Orthodox Church, deposed by the government in 2006, remains under house arrest without access to communication.
    Here is an opinion from an Israeli Jew, who was granted sanctuary by Iran in 1948.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/jews-...emium-1.527225
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    lol In Israel they make forced injections to black immigrant women, so that they don't breed. Imagine that! This is truly a racist State.
    That story has literally been debunked a thousand times on this forum and elsewhere yet you continue to post lies and misinformation.

    Werent you the guy I called out on for posting too much on israel and then responded with "I dont post threads about Israel I only reply to Israel threads" Well seems like youve changed your ways. Now your posting non storys about Israel with incredulous titles. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    What about the thousands who are held at concentration camps. Isn't that a brutal violation of basic human rights?
    You support open-borders for America, while endorcing the Jewish supremacy in Israel. Now, that is ridiculous.
    Its not 'Thousands' its 1800. All this is just from your article which you failed to read it seemed before jumping on the concentration camp analogies.

    I support Open Borders everywhere preferably but im not Israeli. If they have laws they have every right to enforce their laws and sovereignty. And 14 illegal immigrants being voluntary repatriated is not Nazi like behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    There's no proof that they didn't choose to return to their country. Israel is literally an immigrant nation even more so than the US. Almost everyone there has at least one family member who wasn't born in Israel.
    Correction: Israel is an immigrant Jewish nation, and they are committed to protecting Jewish ethnic majority at all costs. For this reason they continue to deny the right of return to the millions of Palestinian refugees. For this reason they keep African immigrants in concentration camps and deport them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    lol In Israel they make forced injections to black immigrant women, so that they don't breed. Imagine that! This is truly a racist State.
    They were not permanent and the women in question were sick and shouldn't become pregnant anyways. 99% of Israelis oppose such measures anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    Correction: Israel is an immigrant Jewish nation, and they are committed to protecting Jewish ethnic majority at all costs. For this reason they continue to deny the right of return to the millions of Palestinian refugees. For this reason they keep African immigrants in concentration camps and deport them.
    Bull$#@!.

    Israel has Armenians, Circassians, etc. Israel welcomes anyone to even its most sacred sites, can the same be said of Makkah, Medinah, Varanasi, etc?

    Granted, citizenship isn't easy for non-Jews but 300,000 Russians can attest that it is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    They were not permanent and the women in question were sick and shouldn't become pregnant anyways. 99% of Israelis oppose such measures anyways.
    So, that makes it OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Wow. The lack of compassion is amazing.

    The Jews were denied sanctuary all over Europe, as well as America, and now we say "oh dear!", but these Africans are obviously illegal heathens so who gives a $#@!?

    Eritrea is one of the most oppressive governments in the world. Most of these emigrants are either Jews or of a non-accepted Christian religion.



    Here is an opinion from an Israeli Jew, who was granted sanctuary by Iran in 1948.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/jews-...emium-1.527225
    So they want Jews to come to Israel, unless they're black Jews? Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    So they want Jews to come to Israel, unless they're black Jews? Hmmm.
    No Israel brought over 100,000 Beta Israel in the 90s. Or as you put it so eloquently "Black Jews" They where facing a famine and Civil war and Israel airlifted them to Israel. Now not even 2 decades later theyre standard of living has rose tremendously and you can find them in preeminent positions in government and Business in Israel

    But of course saying this doesnt fit your guys narrative, so you go on about debunked and discredited stories, and how 14 Illegal Immigrants voluntarily repatriated. I mean this story is kinda weak. Are you guys running out of material to bash Israel with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwax23 View Post
    Its not 'Thousands' its 1800. All this is just from your article which you failed to read it seemed before jumping on the concentration camp analogies.

    I support Open Borders everywhere preferably but im not Israeli. If they have laws they have every right to enforce their laws and sovereignty. And 14 illegal immigrants being voluntary repatriated is not Nazi like behavior.
    Again, this is what the article says:
    She said 1,800 Eritreans refugees are currently being held in Israeli jails and detention centers in the Negev desert, with only limited access to legal or humanitarian groups. Most were taken to prison after crossing the Egyptian border.

    She said the refugees have been told that unless they agree to return to Eritrea, they will remain in prison under harsh conditions.
    The people are being deprived of their freedom, they are being kept in "detention centers" in harsh conditions. These are exactly the kind of concentration camps Rand Paul has warned us about.

    And you're willing to defend the most racist Israeli behavior, while purporting to be a libertarian. Don't you know libertarian philosophy is incompatible with racism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    Correction: Israel is an immigrant Jewish nation, and they are committed to protecting Jewish ethnic majority at all costs. For this reason they continue to deny the right of return to the millions of Palestinian refugees. For this reason they keep African immigrants in concentration camps and deport them.
    Israel only makes it Easier for Jews to Immigrate, in order to facilitate many jews who where fleeing war torn europe/the holocaust or antisemitism and pogroms in the Arab/Muslim world. Non jews can immigrate and attain citizenship, theres no law that stops them. Theres well over half a million of such people including foreign workers but ignoring illegals.

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    So were those deported jews? I would guess no. It's almost impossible to emigrate to Israel if you aren't a jew. That's their law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    They were not permanent and the women in question were sick and shouldn't become pregnant anyways. 99% of Israelis oppose such measures anyways.
    HAHAHA! Did you just endorce forced sterilisation policy? Some libertarian you are!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So, that makes it OK?
    As I said, not permanent. If it were permanent, then of course they'd need to be compensated.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    HAHAHA! Did you just endorce forced sterilisation policy? Some libertarian you are!
    I support Eugenics. I do not believe a woman with six kids she can't feed needs more kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCDenton0451 View Post
    Again, this is what the article says:
    The people are being deprived of their freedom, they are being kept in "detention centers" in harsh conditions. These are exactly the kind of concentration camps Rand Paul has warned us about.

    And you're willing to defend the most racist Israeli behavior, while purporting to be a libertarian. Don't you know libertarian philosophy is incompatible with racism?
    You dont read do you.

    1- First you claimed thousands. The biased article you keep referencing too only says 1,800. So Not thousands.
    2- They are prisoners. They broke the law. Prison will be harsh. Its not because they are "Black" its because they broke the law. Your playing the race card.
    3- They are being offered aid packages and a free flight back to Eritrea which is not a war torn country. Maybe the economic conditions there are not perfect but that does not mean Israel has to accept 1000's of Illegals.
    3- The article doesnt even define harsh conditions. Neither do you. Show some evidence of "concentration camp" like conditions and Ill entertain your rants.

    So in conclusion. This has nothing to do with racism. This has to do with law enforcement. If Illegal Russians came to israel (And they have) they are deported.

    The real crime here is that these illegals have been given welfare there entire time in Israel. Israeli citizens have been taxed to provide welfare to Illegals. Thats what you should be posting about not this trash about concentration camps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    So were those deported jews? I would guess no. It's almost impossible to emigrate to Israel if you aren't a jew. That's their law.
    No its not. It has very similar immigration laws to most countries. Its law of return only speeds the process up for jews it doesnt deny non jews. Further many countries have jus sanguis laws (Right by blood) including Italy Greece, Armenia, Germany and many more countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwax23 View Post
    No Israel brought over 100,000 Beta Israel in the 90s. Or as you put it so eloquently "Black Jews" They where facing a famine and Civil war and Israel airlifted them to Israel. Now not even 2 decades later theyre standard of living has rose tremendously and you can find them in preeminent positions in government and Business in Israel

    But of course saying this doesnt fit your guys narrative, so you go on about debunked and discredited stories, and how 14 Illegal Immigrants voluntarily repatriated. I mean this story is kinda weak. Are you guys running out of material to bash Israel with?
    That's a good thing. But what's wrong with me saying "black Jews?"

    So there's no truth to what Ender said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    That's a good thing. But what's wrong with me saying "black Jews?"

    So there's no truth to what Ender said?
    There isnt anything wrong with that. Bad choice of wording on my part.

    I dont know what ender said but if he claimed there was institutionalized racism against them, or this debunked conspiracy with the forced sterilizations or anything else of that nature, then yes he is misinformed and spreading misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    As I said, not permanent. If it were permanent, then of course they'd need to be compensated.

    I support Eugenics. I do not believe a woman with six kids she can't feed needs more kids.
    So, you in all your wisdom, will take it upon yourself to determine that she should forcibly be sterilized, eh?

    Hhmmm.... so, does that make it ok if we all decide this makes you rather low in the intelligence area, and thus should be castrated so that your genes are not proliferated in the gene pool?

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