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    Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

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    Walmart says it will cancel its plans to build three new stores in D.C. if local lawmakers approve a bill that would force the retailer to pay its employees at least $12.50 an hour.
    Alex Barron, a regional general manager for Walmart U.S., writes in an op-ed published in the Washington Post Tuesday that the company feels the D.C. Council's proposed "living wage" legislation “would clearly inject unforeseen costs into the equation that will create an uneven playing field and challenge the fiscal health of our planned D.C. stores.”
    Walmart currently has three other new stores under construction in the area, and Barron says those stores will also be jeopardized if the bill passes.
    The bill is backed by worker advocates and unions that say employees of big-box stores should earn a "living wage." It applies only to stores doing business in spaces of 75,000 feet or more.
    It would require such stores to pay every employee no less than $12.50 an hour, up from D.C.'s current minimum wage of $8.25.
    The Washington Post reports a group of Walmart public relations executives and lobbyists informed lawmakers of their decision Tuesday.
    Council member Yvette M. Alexander, who represents an area where two stores are slated to be built, tells the paper she is upset by Walmart's decision.
    “That means back to the drawing board for Ward 7 unless there’s a vote in opposition,” she said. “This is going to just about ruin two major development plans in Ward 7, where we were counting on a major anchor retailer to bring more retail and 600 jobs in a ward where unemployment is at its highest.”
    The D.C. Council plans to vote on the bill Wednesday.



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    The big box stores can use their volumes and size to drive small mom and pop stores out that had to pay living wages simply by the fact that was the only source of income, yet fight tooth and nail to stop the working poor employees from no longer qualifying for handouts?

    If it was a true free market I would object to this sort of bill. However it's not so I'm mixed on this. The idea that you can have someone working at a walmart and still qualify for assistance seems asinine. Although I imagine Walmart will find a way to get what they want.
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    I don't like shopping at Walmart, but things like this make me want to send them a donation and say, "Keep up the good work."
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    I would really like to see some big box retailer sue over this. SCOTUS has been ruling lately that state law can't override federal law. Think - Arizona immigration law was only enhancing federal law. But they weren't allowed. New Hampshire's drug labeling law - ditto.

    So it would be awesome to see someone sue to make the federal minimum law the law of the land, since it would be a paycut for quite a few liberal states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    The big box stores can use their volumes and size to drive small mom and pop stores out that had to pay living wages simply by the fact that was the only source of income, yet fight tooth and nail to stop the working poor employees from no longer qualifying for handouts?

    If it was a true free market I would object to this sort of bill. However it's not so I'm mixed on this. The idea that you can have someone working at a walmart and still qualify for assistance seems asinine. Although I imagine Walmart will find a way to get what they want.
    Yes, let's blame Walmart for doing exactly what economic law demands they do.

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    Well , I have a hard time imagining DC Walmarts , DC is surrounded by the wealthiest counties, they do not need walmart , they all just graze at one of the 2000 restaurants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Well , I have a hard time imagining DC Walmarts , DC is surrounded by the wealthiest counties, they do not need walmart , they all just graze at one of the 2000 restaurants.
    a lot of the inner parts of DC are shitty and poor, those are the markets walmart would be targeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VBRonPaulFan View Post
    a lot of the inner parts of DC are shitty and poor, those are the markets walmart would be targeting.
    That is true , they all should have food stamps , is that what walmart is after ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    That is true , they all should have food stamps , is that what walmart is after ?
    Of course. I don't know if Wal-Mart has ties to the banks, but they're now issued by some big bank that gets a cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    That is true , they all should have food stamps , is that what walmart is after ?
    that + cheap labor, probably.

    the folks in the ghetto think they're getting some great opportunity because they're getting a job, when really they're getting a shit paycheck, training that'll only help them if they want to work in a grocery store their entire life, and low turnover because the workers don't have the money to ever go somewhere else (they are already on govt assistance, and probably in govt housing, so it's not like they can be picky about where they live/work)

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    DC is extremely polarized. Exteme power and wealth along side extreme poverty.

    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Well , I have a hard time imagining DC Walmarts , DC is surrounded by the wealthiest counties, they do not need walmart , they all just graze at one of the 2000 restaurants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Of course. I don't know if Wal-Mart has ties to the banks, but they're now issued by some big bank that gets a cut.
    Son of a Bitch , instead of wasting my youth seeing the world, I should have bought a bank ..... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by VBRonPaulFan View Post
    that + cheap labor, probably.

    the folks in the ghetto think they're getting some great opportunity because they're getting a job, when really they're getting a shit paycheck, training that'll only help them if they want to work in a grocery store their entire life, and low turnover because the workers don't have the money to ever go somewhere else (they are already on govt assistance, and probably in govt housing, so it's not like they can be picky about where they live/work)
    Well thank God it sounds like Walmart is not going to build these stores after all and save these neighborhoods from all that.
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    one thing about walmart low salary to their workers is that many of them are on welfare and get food stamps .

    therefor we the tax payers are are on the hook for low walmart pay.

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    Maybe the city council can pass a law forcing stores over 750 square feet to pay their help $25/hour to make up for the lost wages and taxes that the Walmarts would have brought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVRP View Post
    one thing about walmart low salary to their workers is that many of them are on welfare and get food stamps .

    therefor we the tax payers are are on the hook for low walmart pay.
    As opposed to low-skilled people not having jobs at all and taxpayers being on the hook for 100% of their living expenses?

    Are none of the people who work at the smaller (exempted) retail establishments on government assistance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVRP View Post
    one thing about walmart low salary to their workers is that many of them are on welfare and get food stamps .

    therefor we the tax payers are are on the hook for low walmart pay.
    You don't have to worry about that anymore,the Walmarts aren't being built,so these denizens of Ward Seven won't have to go on food stamps and welfare after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVRP View Post
    one thing about walmart low salary to their workers is that many of them are on welfare and get food stamps .

    therefor we the tax payers are are on the hook for low walmart pay.
    This kind of argument is so faulty in terms of logic, its ridiculous.

    Ok, let's take those same employees you claim are on welfare and food stamps and remove Walmart entirely. Now they have no job--is the amount of welfare and food stamps they use going to go up or down?

    I don't know why Ma and Pop stores are being held up by a few in this thread; they nearly always pay just as much (and often times less) than the big box stores (big box stores tend to be a air over minimum wage).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregSarnowski View Post
    As opposed to low-skilled people not having jobs at all and taxpayers being on the hook for 100% of their living expenses?

    Are none of the people who work at the smaller (exempted) retail establishments on government assistance?
    I think you're missing out on a big part of the payments that go to these people, and that is via the income tax.

    Pay 100% of their living expenses when they don't work, or pay 200% of their living expenses because they get some asinine $10k+ tax refund because they made $10k in disposable income during the year.
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    Yes no doubt the "Earned Income Credit" or whatever is just another BS redistribution scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VBRonPaulFan View Post
    a lot of the inner parts of DC are shitty and poor, those are the markets walmart would be targeting.
    That's not all. Sure, there are some wealthy people in some of DC's suburbs. There are also a lot of middle class and lower middle class people. Whatever you picture the typical Walmart shopper as, believe me, there are tons of those people around DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox McCloud View Post
    This kind of argument is so faulty in terms of logic, its ridiculous.

    Ok, let's take those same employees you claim are on welfare and food stamps and remove Walmart entirely. Now they have no job--is the amount of welfare and food stamps they use going to go up or down?

    I don't know why Ma and Pop stores are being held up by a few in this thread; they nearly always pay just as much (and often times less) than the big box stores (big box stores tend to be a air over minimum wage).
    I've been to DC and doubt that there are even any "Mom & Pop" stores in these neighborhoods to begin with.

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    hey the big suppliers will kick in bucks....Pepsi Coke etc.....they get billions in food stamp money
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    So if we must pay a "living wage" whats the difference between that and socialism? The USSR paid a living wage as well.

    Not saying I agree or disagree with walmart on this but what is the difference between them an any other employer of unskilled labor?

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    The media always focuses on the lack of benefits for Walmart employees. They never mention the benefit of low prices to millions (billions?) of poor people. And the amount of people benefitting from low prices is far, far more than the amount of people "hurt" by voluntarily working at Walmart.

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    Here's the thing, if Wal Mart paid a "living wage," the residents in these areas would not or could not take those jobs--they would lose food stamps and Medicaid. The higher wages would be meaningless if you're looking at it from that perspective. If the "affordable care act" were actually affordable, perhaps there may be some small benefit to working hard and working full-time.

    I know a lot of people aren't all that educated around there, but very few people are that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Of course. I don't know if Wal-Mart has ties to the banks, but they're now issued by some big bank that gets a cut.
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    I will say this , the city council there , mostly comprised of socialists , commies and other unsavory.... they had a deal and broke it , probably bought off by unions . Now , everyone else will know not to do business there.

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    You know what is weird? In the Northwest we have an Oregon-based chain of walmart-like big box stores called Fred-Meyer(owned by Kroger). All of the employees are unionized, yet everything costs virtually the same as the Wal-mart that is 30 miles out of town(the city won't allow them here).

    My friend who is 23 has worked there for five years now and makes $40k plus benefits, as a stocker and receiver. The difference between Wal-mart and Fred Meyer? Wal-mart subsidizes a lot of poor performance stores in the middle of no-where with the pay they don't give their employees. Fred-Meyer has less obnoxious growth. One seems more sustainable and healthier than the other, both as a workplace and for the community. The employees are able to raise families, be treated with respect in their communities, and can finance their hobbies and in general promote local entrepreneurship.

    I applaud Wal-mart for its growth, but they do suck and I see no way of defending them as a good business.
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    [QUOTE=RabbitMan;5119509]You know what is weird? In the Northwest we have an Oregon-based chain of walmart-like big box stores called Fred-Meyer(owned by Kroger). All of the employees are unionized, yet everything costs virtually the same as the Wal-mart that is 30 miles out of town(the city won't allow them here).

    My friend who is 23 has worked there for five years now and makes $40k plus benefits, as a stocker and receiver. The difference between Wal-mart and Fred Meyer? Wal-mart subsidizes a lot of poor performance stores in the middle of no-where with the pay they don't give their employees. Fred-Meyer has less incredible growth. One seems more sustainable and healthier than the other. FM is a helluva better place, hands down , nicer stores , better products.

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