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robitussin is a dissassociative. there is nothing fun about taking large doses of it.
that fact could be used against trayvon, as it could confirm the guy was literally 'out of his mind'.
whereas if it were codeine, it could be said that there was no way he started a fight jacked up on something that puts you to sleep.
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Last edited by pcosmar; 07-07-2013 at 12:27 PM.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
To others who responded--regardless of whether I'm right about Robitussin, I still (if I were on the jury) would never assume that I could possibly know for sure that the candy and drink were going to be used for some drug concoction, so it'd be irrelevant. I'd neither find him more nor less innocent because he purchased these items. Even if they could prove that he had used drugs in the past or intended to use drugs in the future, it's irrelevant.
I think this overblown "drank" thing is in response to half of the media trying to portray Trayvon as a little boy who just went to the store for candy and got jumped by a pro-gun, racist, conservative white guy. They smeared Zimmerman, rather unfairly--so the "other side" feels free to smear Trayvon.
The end result? More polarization.
ETA: This was written assuming that neither GZ nor TM was actually found to be on drugs at the time.
Last edited by amy31416; 07-07-2013 at 12:22 PM.
So the $#@! what? it is irrelevant. The kid had a perfect right to be there.
To travel those streets unhindered.
I don't care if he was high as a kite and smoking a spliff. He was unarmed in a place where he had every right to be.
The fact that he was seen as suspicious by Zimmerman ,,, was Zimmerman's problem.
The kid was walking home from a store.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
There had been multiple burglaries in the area recently. A kid in a hoodie is walking around looking like he doesn't have a specific place to go in the rain, while it's dark out. He wasn't walking a dog or with someone else. He didn't look familiar and it's a gated community. It would be insane not to be suspicious given this setup. Zimmerman behaved correctly calling the non-emergency line for the police.
And it wasn't like Zimmerman was way off. This wasn't a Rhodes Scholar walking around. This was a drug user, who has been suspended school and has an affinity for violent culture. His friend Rachel, who he was on the phone with is not a high quality person.
Does all of this make Zimmerman a saint? No. Does it mean Martin should have been shot? Maybe not. But it pretty is darn easy to see why Zimmerman would have acted the way he did. He clearly is not guilty of 2nd degree murder and that is what is he is on trial for.
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The war on self-defense continues...
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Last edited by pcosmar; 07-07-2013 at 01:20 PM.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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It's all about Freedom
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My response referenced the article. I was making the point that I don't buy that a police detective would cave to pressure from a couple of patrolman and a sergeant over the chief of police. In case you didn't know, detectives outrank sergeants. I also pointed out that irregularity of the chief of police being involved in what was initially some low level shooting. People get shot in Miami all the time. They don't get shot by relatives of retired judges all the time. And I wasn't saying that the Miami Herald was making anything up. I'm saying that it's obvious (to me anyway) that if there if the detective is being pressured by anyone it's the chief of police. The far more likely story is that once word got out that the chief of police didn't want charges filed the detective decided to come up with a cover story as to why he wanted to file charges in the first place. Also I don't believe for a moment that Tracy Martin "understood" why charges weren't initially filed. That's not the reaction of a grieving father under those circumstances even if he did believe his son was a thug. Just because my response isn't what you wanted doesn't mean I didn't read the article. It's rather arrogant of you to assume otherwise.
Right. And in this case the group that Zimmerman is part of hates blacks as much or more than whites. So your little factoid doesn't help your argument except to point out that the media wanted it spun one way instead of the other. And again you brought up race so it's stupid of you to try to call me out for talking about race.It is a big deal because of the white vs black racial tension this country has. It's a big deal because it is media manipulation to benefit political groups.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
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Ban thread gas OP, $#@! this $#@!. What the $#@! are we doing?
We have an evil empire to topple and we're sitting in front of our keyboards BICKERING OVER SOME $#@! THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OF US
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Of course. Prosecutors overstepping their bounds, the media ignoring some facts to focus on and reinterpret others, the perception that if you are found to be a "person of lesser quality" after the fact your death was justified, the assumption that you are guilty of concocting a drug even if you are only in possession of Skittles and tea... none of this will ever have any impact on any of us.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
What was that about an evil empire?
Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
You didn't actually refute anything. Profiling is contextual and all of the pieces of the puzzle made the picture much more likely than normal that Martin could be a potential criminal. The odds may normally be .05% that a typical person in the neighborhood was potentially committing a crime. The context around Martin might raise the odds to 5% of the time that he is either a criminal or considering committing a crime and those are high enough odds to be proactive.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
As you understand it? Link please. What we know is that Zimmerman was following Martin from his truck and then Zimmerman got out of his truck. The "I was looking for a house number to tell the police" line is bull$#@!. Someone pointed out that it wasn't really dark at the time? Well if it's still light out, and if you supposedly are soooo familiar with your hood that you know who should and shouldn't be there, then you shouldn't need to get out of your truck to find some freaking house number. Does that mean that Zimmerman didn't have a right to get out of his truck? Of course not. But the mental gymnastics people are contorting themselves through to make Zimmerman into some kind of libertarian self defense guru/hero that did absolutely no wrong is astounding. Based on what we know it is quite apparent that Zimmerman was stalking Martin. Did the stalker become the stalkee? That is an open question.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
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This was a bit far for him to have just stepped out of his home.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/216417.php
Analysis: George Zimmerman Probably Won't Be Convicted of Murder or Manslaughter -- Here's Why
ABC News
July 7, 2013
The essence of Zimmerman's account is basically as follows:
He spotted Martin, became suspicious, called police, was told he didn't need to follow him, got out of his car only to give the authorities the address, was jumped and then pummeled by Martin and as he was being punched and having his head knocked into the ground, Martin went for Zimmerman's firearm and Zimmerman shot him once in the chest.
The prosecution, on the other hand, called 38 witnesses to try to show: Zimmerman was a wannabe cop who regularly reported black strangers in his neighborhood; initiated and was at least at one point, on top during the encounter; that Zimmerman's injuries were minor and that many aspects of his accounts to the police and media were inconsistent and/or lies.
For a moment, lets put aside the fact that many of the prosecution witnesses seemed to help Zimmerman in one way or another.
As a legal matter, even if jurors find parts of Zimmerman's story fishy, that is not enough to convict. Even if they believe that Zimmerman initiated the altercation, and that his injuries were relatively minor, that too would be insufficient evidence to convict.
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Minor injuries?
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IRRELEVANT
He was not committing a crime.
He was minding his own business. And should have been left alone..
Neighborhood watch is not a right to interfere in the lives of anyone. Period. Ever.
This stupid mentality is what gives us a Police State. The idea that you have a right to control others.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Did he do anything wrong? Sure, the guy is an idiot. Did he do anything criminal? There is no evidence that suggests that. Innocent until proven guilty.
Based on the only evidence we have available, Martin confronted Zimmerman as Zimmerman was returning to his truck.Based on what we know it is quite apparent that Zimmerman was stalking Martin. Did the stalker become the stalkee? That is an open question.
If you want to dispute his story, and think its bull$#@!, then prove it. Otherwise he's innocent.
And you know what? IMO, even if he did walk up to Martin, and ask "Hey, I haven't seen you around these parts, I'm with neighborhood watch, just thought I'd introduce myself", I wouldn't see a problem with that, either.
But, again, the only evidence we have, is that Martin walked up to Zimmerman, and Martin wanted the fight. He got the fight he was looking for, unfortunately.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
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