"Saint" Mandela? Not So Fast! -- He's a Communist, Terrorist, and a Liar

[FrankRep]

While much of the global political establishment and the major world media prepare to declare Nelson Mandela a saint, massive evidence continues to pile up showing Mandela and the African National Congress (ANC) are communists and terrorists.

"Saint" Mandela? Not So Fast!


The New American
03 July 2013


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[Zippyjuan]

Perhaps we should celebrate the freedom loving libertarian South African Arpatheid government which procected the rights of all of their citizens?

19 died from the Church Street bombing. 69 unarmed civilians were killed by government in the Sharpeville Massacare.
Interesting the hatred for a black man who brought his country to peaceable resolution to the conflict which tore his country apart for decades.

[enhanced_deficit]

If he was a morally upright person and assuming he as able to do so, did he raise his voice against suspected war criminal and neocons plant's crimes against freedom and innocent?

[green73]

Perhaps we should celebrate the freedom loving libertarian South African Arpatheid government which procected the rights of all of their citizens?

Perhaps you should take a course in logic.

[Zippyjuan]

"But he was a commie fifty years ago!"

[enhanced_deficit]

Perhaps we should celebrate the freedom loving libertarian South African Arpatheid government which procected the rights of all of their citizens?

19 died from the Church Street bombing. 69 unarmed civilians were killed by government in the Sharpeville Massacare.
Interesting the hatred for a black man who brought his country to peaceable resolution to the conflict which tore his country apart for decades.

That apartheid is history now, many South Africans see another existing aparthied still in place that is being funded by you and me :

South Africa launch of 'Israeli Apartheid Week'

mondoweiss.net/2013/03/african-apartheid-memorial.html‎

Mar 10, 2013 - This week, South Africa will host the 9th international Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW) campaign that takes places annually during February and ...


South African diplomat accuses Israel of apartheid - The Hindu

http://www.thehindu.com/.../south-af...7.ec...‎

Jun 20, 2013 - The former diplomat rejected an Israeli gesture to plant 18 trees in his honor in a national park named after South Africa.

We can't talk aparthieds without sounding hypocritical.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't agree with Israel isolating and separating and controling and limiting the rights of part of their society (the Palsitinians) either.

[enhanced_deficit]

Ok, posted that because Frank seemed to imply few weeks ago that that socialist apartheid was a friend of US.

[FrankRep]

Ok, posted that because Frank seemed to imply few weeks ago that that socialist apartheid was a friend of US.

What was my statement?

[enhanced_deficit]

What was my statement?

Not sure if it was your statement but thread you posted mis-characterized Ron paul's view on the issue and it appeared as if you supported that distorted view from some out of context statements by some PR person. It was few weeks ago I think.


That said, it is possible that Nelson was indeed saintly:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-on-Palestine&

[Warlord]

Just like in Zimbabwe they were richer with the white government. Prove me wrong.

[FrankRep]

Winnie Mandela is straight up scary.


Who is Winnie Mandela?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffv4TcpfyAs


Winnie Mandela: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country."



Necklacing is the practice of summary execution and torture carried out by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The victim may take up to 20 minutes to die, suffering severe burns in the process.

The practice became a common method of lynching among black South Africans during disturbances in South Africa in the 1980s and 1990s. The first recorded instance took place in Uitenhage on 23 March 1985 when black African National Congress (ANC) supporters killed a black councillor who was accused of being a collaborator.

Necklacing "sentences" were sometimes handed down against alleged criminals by "people's courts" established in black townships as a means of enforcing their own judicial system. Necklacing was also used by the black community to punish members of the black community who were perceived as collaborators with the apartheid government. These included black policemen, town councilors and others, as well as their relatives and associates. The practice was often carried out in the name of the ANC. Winnie Mandela, then-wife of the imprisoned Nelson Mandela and a senior member of the ANC, even made statements that endorsed its use. The ANC officially condemned the practice. The number of deaths per month in South Africa related to political unrest as a whole from 1992 through 1995 ranged from 54 to 605 and averaged 244. These figures are inclusive of massacres as well as deaths not attributed to necklacing.

[Zippyjuan]

Just like in Zimbabwe they were richer with the white government. Prove me wrong.

Looking for an easy chart but simply looking at GDP (here expressed in US dollars):
1980- $80 billion
1985- $50 billion (international sanctions)
1990- $112 billion
1995- $151 billion
2000- $133 billion
2005- $247 billion
2010- $364 billion

First multi-racial elections held in 1994. GDP more than double since then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Africa

[Warlord]

Looking for an easy chart but simply looking at GDP (here expressed in US dollars):
1980- $80 billion
1985- $50 billion (international sanctions)
1990- $112 billion
1995- $151 billion
2000- $133 billion
2005- $247 billion
2010- $364 billion

First multi-racial elections held in 1994. GDP more than double since then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Africa

Fake government statistics. Ask the people they hanker for the white government just like in Zimbabwe where many will tell they were better off under Ian Smith,

[FrankRep]

Walter Williams


Were Blacks Better Off Under Apartheid?

Walter Williams | Jewish World Review
Jan. 9, 2001


MORAL crusaders have the habit of heading off to their next crusade without bothering to see whether anything went wrong on their last one. During the '80s, TransAfrica, NAACP, Black Congressional Caucus, Hollywood glitterati, college students, and other groups held massive protests on college campuses and at the South African Embassy, built shanty towns, and called for disinvestment and sanctions against South Africa for its racist apartheid system.

There's no longer apartheid and there's black rule in South Africa, but what's the story there now? Andrew Kenny writes about it in his article, "Black People Aren't Animals." The article appears in the December 15 issue of the British magazine The Spectator, the world's oldest continuously published English language magazine (est. 1838).

Each South African day sees an average of 59 murders, 145 rapes and 752 serious assaults out of its 42 million population. The new crime is the rape of babies; some AIDS-infected African men believe that having sex with a virgin is a cure. Twelve percent of South Africa's population is HIV-positive, but President Mbeki says that HIV cannot cause AIDS.

In response to growing violence, South Africa's minister of safety and security, Steve Tshwete, says: "We can't police this; there's nothing more we can do. South Africa's currency, the rand, has fallen about 70 percent since the African National Congress (ANC) came to power in 1994. Emigration from South Africa (mainly of skilled people) is now at its highest level ever."

Kenny asks, "Is South Africa doomed to follow the rest of Africa into oblivion?" He says no, but I'm not as optimistic because of the pattern nearly everywhere else in sub-Saharan Africa. The tragic fact of business is that ordinary Africans were better off under colonialism. Colonial masters never committed anything near the murder and genocide seen under black rule in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Nigeria, Mozambique, Somalia and other countries, where millions of blacks have been slaughtered in unspeakable ways, which include: hacking to death, boiling in oil, setting on fire and dismemberment. If as many elephants, zebras and lions had been as ruthlessly slaughtered, the world's leftists would be in a tizzy.

When Zimbabwe, then Southern Rhodesia, was under white rule, the ANC demanded the ouster of Prime Minister Ian Smith and the installation of black rule. Today, Zimbabwe's Minister Robert Mugabe commits gross violations of black and white human rights. With the help of lawless thugs, Mugabe has undertaken a land-confiscation program from white farmers. Instead of condemning Zimbabwe human-rights abuses, the South African government has given Mugabe its unqualified support.

Kenny says that whites treat blacks like animals. When a dog misbehaves, we don't blame the dog -- we blame the owner for improper training. In Africa, when blacks behave badly, Kenny says colonialism, imperialism, apartheid, globalization or multi-nationalism is blamed for not bringing up blacks properly. Liberals saw South Africa's apartheid and other human-rights abuses as unjust because blacks were suffering at the hands of whites. They hold whites accountable to civilized standards of behavior. Blacks are not held to civilized standards of behavior. From the liberal's point of view, it might even be racist to expect blacks to adhere to civilized standards of behavior.

During South Africa's apartheid era, I visited several times and lectured at just about every university. In a 1987 syndicated column, I wrote: "Africa's past experience should give Western anti-apartheid activists some pause for thought. Wouldn't it be the supreme tragedy if South African blacks might ponder at some future date, like the animals of Jones' Manor (George Orwell's Animal Farm), whether they were better off under apartheid? That's why blacks must answer what's to come after apartheid? Black rule alone is no guarantee for black freedom."

[Zippyjuan]

Fake government statistics. Ask the people they hanker for the white government just like in Zimbabwe where many will tell they were better off under Ian Smith,

Please share better ones if you have them. I guess you would rather be a slave I take it since they are better off then freemen?

[FrankRep]

Please share better ones if you have them. I guess you would rather be a slave I take it since they are better off then freemen?

Walter Williams says:

Each South African day sees an average of 59 murders, 145 rapes and 752 serious assaults out of its 42 million population. The new crime is the rape of babies; some AIDS-infected African men believe that having sex with a virgin is a cure. Twelve percent of South Africa's population is HIV-positive, but President Mbeki says that HIV cannot cause AIDS.

In response to growing violence, South Africa's minister of safety and security, Steve Tshwete, says: "We can't police this; there's nothing more we can do. South Africa's currency, the rand, has fallen about 70 percent since the African National Congress (ANC) came to power in 1994. Emigration from South Africa (mainly of skilled people) is now at its highest level ever."

[LibertyEagle]

Please share better ones if you have them. I guess you would rather be a slave I take it since they are better off then freemen?

Zippy, a whole lot of the people moved to southern Africa in order to get jobs. No one forced them. That is where the jobs were. Jobs that no longer exist.

[Zippyjuan]

I agree not everything is great- they are not all perfect anywhere else. But were they better off segregated and abused and isolated and told what they can and can't do and where they can and can't go? Saving all the best for one race in society? Everyone should have the same opportunity to succede or fail. Apartheid only promised failure for blacks in South Africa. Is Mandela a bad man for wanting things we get to take for granted here? Aren't those some of the things Ron and Rand Paul fight for?

[amy31416]

Walter Williams says:

Each South African day sees an average of 59 murders, 145 rapes and 752 serious assaults out of its 42 million population. The new crime is the rape of babies; some AIDS-infected African men believe that having sex with a virgin is a cure. Twelve percent of South Africa's population is HIV-positive, but President Mbeki says that HIV cannot cause AIDS.

In response to growing violence, South Africa's minister of safety and security, Steve Tshwete, says: "We can't police this; there's nothing more we can do. South Africa's currency, the rand, has fallen about 70 percent since the African National Congress (ANC) came to power in 1994. Emigration from South Africa (mainly of skilled people) is now at its highest level ever."

I don't care about these $#@! details--leave SA alone. Let them kill and rape each other if they want, but the white people need to deal with it by getting the hell out of there or arming themselves to the gills and having a mini-military.

It ain't worth it. They should have stayed in Europe and they would have if they had a solid ethical foundation. If you have to kill native people to build a home, there's something drastically wrong.

[LibertyEagle]

I agree not everything is great- they are not all perfect anywhere else. But were they better off segregated and abused and isolated and told what they can and can't do and where they can and can't go? Saving all the best for one race in society? Everyone should have the same opportunity to succede or fail. Apartheid only promised failure for blacks in South Africa. Is Mandela a bad man for wanting things we get to take for granted here? Aren't those some of the things Ron and Rand Paul fight for?

You mean the people that Winnie didn't put an innertube filled with kerosene around their neck and set on fire? I remember when all this was going down and I also remember another tribal leader who tried standing up to Mandela and co. and was BEGGING for help.

[LibertyEagle]

I don't care about these $#@! details--leave SA alone. Let them kill and rape each other if they want, but the white people need to deal with it by getting the hell out of there or arming themselves to the gills and having a mini-military.

It ain't worth it. They should have stayed in Europe and they would have if they had a solid ethical foundation. If you have to kill native people to build a home, there's something drastically wrong.

Well, the Chinese are over there now, buying up all the natural resources.

[amy31416]

Well, the Chinese are over there now, buying up all the natural resources.

Buying is one thing, stealing is another--and most people can tell the difference.

If the Chinese don't use force/theft, then they'll probably fare much better. That might just be some sort of liberal programming, but I can't believe that it's a good idea to brutalize a culture and take over their land/resources, then expect said population to be kind and civil to you.

It's the opposite of setting a good example, and liberal though it might seem--it's wrong to terrorize people because you or some corporation wants the land they're standing on, even if someone else deems them "backwards."