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Thread: Ted Cruz: Rand filibustered to protect life, Davis filibuster protected ability to take it

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    Ted Cruz: Rand filibustered to protect life, Davis filibuster protected ability to take it




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    I wish Cruz didn't get himself mixed into this business. Rick Perry's put his foot in his mouth with his comments following Davis' filibuster. Here's hoping this doesn't come back to bite him, especially for those who aren't pro-life. Yes, those aren't the voters Cruz or anyone who are pro-life would want, but still, this just provides more fire for them to use. They'd say Cruz isn't for allowing them the right to choose or calling them murderers...something akin to that.

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    Hopefully the Texas Repubs can try to ram this through again. These anti-life clowns can't filibuster forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    Hopefully the Texas Repubs can try to ram this through again. These anti-life clowns can't filibuster forever.
    Special session July 1. It's a pretty sure thing it will pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.NoSmile View Post
    I wish Cruz didn't get himself mixed into this business. Rick Perry's put his foot in his mouth with his comments following Davis' filibuster. Here's hoping this doesn't come back to bite him, especially for those who aren't pro-life. Yes, those aren't the voters Cruz or anyone who are pro-life would want, but still, this just provides more fire for them to use. They'd say Cruz isn't for allowing them the right to choose or calling them murderers...something akin to that.
    Let me get this straight, Rick Perry compliments Wendy Davis and you call that putting your foot in your mouth.

    This is what Perry said

    "Who are we to say that children born in the worst of circumstances can’t grow to live successful lives? In fact, even the woman who filibustered the Senate the other day was born into difficult circumstances. She was the daughter of a single woman, she was a teenage mother herself. She managed to eventually graduate from Harvard Law School and serve in the Texas senate,” Perry said Thursday in a speech to the National Right to Life Convention. “It is just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters.”
    Last edited by William R; 06-28-2013 at 08:05 PM.

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    Cruz is right on here. It's pretty pathetic to actually engage in a filibuster in order to promote a policy of mass murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William R View Post
    Let me this straight, Rick Perry compliments Wendy Davis and you call that putting your foot in your mouth.

    This is what Perry said

    "Who are we to say that children born in the worst of circumstances can’t grow to live successful lives? In fact, even the woman who filibustered the Senate the other day was born into difficult circumstances. She was the daughter of a single woman, she was a teenage mother herself. She managed to eventually graduate from Harvard Law School and serve in the Texas senate,” Perry said Thursday in a speech to the National Right to Life Convention. “It is just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters.”
    Check her response and tell me if she sees Perry's words as compliments. Also, Perry wondering aloud what would have happened had Davis' mother gotten an abortion? Yeah, there's that too.
    Last edited by Mr.NoSmile; 06-28-2013 at 07:49 PM. Reason: The other comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.NoSmile View Post
    Check her response and tell me if she sees Perry's words as compliments.
    She's an idiot. That's why. Anyone that reads those words in a newspaper would think it's a compliment.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    Cruz is right on here. It's pretty pathetic to actually engage in a filibuster in order to promote a policy of mass murder.
    I advise you to try and become more empathetic. Pro-choice people don't believe abortion is murder.

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    It's kind of sad when it's considered "controversial" to ban abortion after the first five months of pregnancy. Isn't five months a long enough time to make a "choice?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    I advise you to try and become more empathetic. Pro-choice people don't believe abortion is murder.
    Yeah, apparently even after the first five months of pregnancy, when the aborted child can actually feel pain. That's what we're talking about here, not abortion in the first trimester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supermario21 View Post
    She's an idiot. That's why. Anyone that reads those words in a newspaper would think it's a compliment.
    She's not an idiot, she graduated from Harvard Law School. So any explanation for her behavior hinging on that assumption is a bad one. I think the truth is closer to this:

    Manufactured outrage is manufactured. By pretending that Perry's words were aggressive, she allows herself and other Democrats/women/feminine men to play the victim card while encouraging left-leaning (almost all) media to spread the story in that light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.NoSmile View Post
    Check her response and tell me if she sees Perry's words as compliments. Also, Perry wondering aloud what would have happened had Davis' mother gotten an abortion? Yeah, there's that too.
    I can't help it she's a Fem Bim. Perry should ask her if she's glad she didn't abort her child

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    It's kind of sad when it's considered "controversial" to ban abortion after the first five months of pregnancy. Isn't five months a long enough time to make a "choice?"
    That's not the part of the bill that's considered controversial. Despite applying the "pro-choice" label to myself, I agree that five months is a better cut-off than six months. What makes it a bad bill is that it creates a huge amount of regulations that would put all but five abortion clinics in the state of Texas out of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    She's not an idiot, she graduated from Harvard Law School. So any explanation for her behavior hinging on that assumption is a bad one. I think the truth is closer to this:

    Manufactured outrage is manufactured. By pretending that Perry's words were aggressive, she allows herself and other Democrats/women/feminine men to play the victim card while encouraging left-leaning (almost all) media to spread the story in that light.
    Lots of idiots graduate from Harvard. Obama for example

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    Yeah, apparently even after the first five months of pregnancy, when the aborted child can actually feel pain. That's what we're talking about here, not abortion in the first trimester.
    Again, the five-month cut-off is not what made the bill controversial. I think you could probably even sell me on a four-month cut-off. The problem is over-regulation for the explicit purpose of putting the clinics out of business.



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    Quote Originally Posted by William R View Post
    Lots of idiots graduate from Harvard. Obama for example
    You must be using an unconventional definition of "idiot" then. Almost every single person who graduates from Harvard is WAY to the right of the bell curve, and the law school is even more selective than its undergraduate program.

    Obama is almost certainly smarter than you.

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    Here's how it's going to play out. The bill will pass but the mob will be larger, the po-po will be making arrests, it will gain national if not worldwide attention, the Repubs will be painted as troglodytes, and when time comes to elect a new governor, it will be a Dem because as I have said over and over, give them something to get behind and they show up in droves just like they did when Obama won.

    Also, for those of you who keep making fun of her filibuster, she had the same right to do it just like Rand did whether you like the reason or not. Or is it only okay when it's a bill you support? Either you support the process or you don't. And if you don't then don't bitch when they do the same thing to you.

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    20 week abortions??? Davis is wacked out of her mind. Maybe you could argue for 1st trimester. MAYBE....but this?????????????? Even at one time, Hillary Clinton advocated for safe, legal and rare as opposed to this murderous free-for-all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Here's how it's going to play out. The bill will pass but the mob will be larger, the po-po will be making arrests, it will gain national if not worldwide attention, the Repubs will be painted as troglodytes, and when time comes to elect a new governor, it will be a Dem because as I have said over and over, give them something to get behind and they show up in droves just like they did when Obama won.
    I'm willing to bet a lot of money that a Democrat won't win the next Texas gubernatorial election. Interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    You must be using an unconventional definition of "idiot" then. Almost every single person who graduates from Harvard is WAY to the right of the bell curve, and the law school is even more selective than its undergraduate program.

    Obama is almost certainly smarter than you.

    You can be book smart and still be an idiot. Good gravy. Harvard graduate lots of socialists and rest assured there are lots of kids who graduate from small schools most people have never heard of who will tell you socialism has never worked. There is no pricing mechanism. Without a market, socialists have no way to allocate scarce resources. That's why the newest workers paradise Venezuela has a shortage of toilet paper.

    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/job...shortage/5801/

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    I advise you to try and become more empathetic. Pro-choice people don't believe abortion is murder.
    And Nazi scientists performed disturbing experiments on jews and slavs because they thought them to be less than human. Creative rationalization still doesn't excuse them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William R View Post
    You can be book smart and still be an idiot.
    Okay. I agree. I also claim, however, that book smarts positively correlate with all other sorts of smarts, and therefore that Harvard almost certainly graduates very few idiots of any sort. What sort of definition are you using for "idiot?"

    Quote Originally Posted by William R View Post
    Harvard graduate lots of socialists and rest assured there are lots of kids who graduate from small schools most people have never heard of who will tell you socialism has never worked.
    Attitudes towards capitalism and socialism are far more dependent on neurological profiles and personality than intelligence.

    Quote Originally Posted by William R View Post
    There is no pricing mechanism. Without a market, socialists have no way to allocate scarce resources. That's why the newest workers paradise Venezuela has a shortage of toilet paper.

    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/job...shortage/5801/
    Okay, now make the argument for the other side. You understand that there are people smarter than you and have thought about this issue a lot but who disagree with the conclusions you've reached, right?



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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    And Nazi scientists performed disturbing experiments on jews and slavs because they thought them to be less than human. Creative rationalization still doesn't excuse them.
    Excuse them from what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    I'm willing to bet a lot of money that a Democrat won't win the next Texas gubernatorial election. Interested?

    Well if the Repubs cheat like they did after the filibuster there's certainly no guarantee it wouldn't be rigged, but I wouldn't bet money, no. (not saying the Dems don't cheat either...isn't that saying a lot of nice things for our state that both parties try to cheat). The key is turn out and the Dems will turn out...will the Repubs? They sure didn't in the presidential election and look what we have to contend with now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    Excuse them from what?
    Piling up the death toll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    That's not the part of the bill that's considered controversial. Despite applying the "pro-choice" label to myself, I agree that five months is a better cut-off than six months. What makes it a bad bill is that it creates a huge amount of regulations that would put all but five abortion clinics in the state of Texas out of business.
    I can guarantee you that if this bill had only contained language banning abortion after five months and didn't contain the other language, the Democrats would've been just as staunchly opposed to it. All but six Democrats in the U.S house voted against the federal ban on abortion after five months, and I can guarantee you that they didn't vote against it for federalism reasons. They just don't think there should be any restrictions on abortion at all. They think it should be legal throughout the entire nine months of pregnancy and taxpayer funded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spladle View Post
    Okay. I agree. I also claim, however, that book smarts positively correlate with all other sorts of smarts, and therefore that Harvard almost certainly graduates very few idiots of any sort. What sort of definition are you using for "idiot?"



    Attitudes towards capitalism and socialism are far more dependent on neurological profiles and personality than intelligence.



    Okay, now make the argument for the other side. You understand that there are people smarter than you and have thought about this issue a lot but who disagree with the conclusions you've reached, right?

    Why do I need to make an argument for the other side. I'm right!! History is my guide. I'm a Rice grad with my graduate work at UT Austin. Long before AA and the dumbing down of curriculum. No gender studies, ***** studies, African American studies, Hispanic studies etc etc etc. The reason a college education has gotten so expensive is because kids can get a degree in gender studies and end up driving a cab and blaming all their problems on Whitey.
    Last edited by William R; 06-28-2013 at 08:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Well if the Repubs cheat like they did after the filibuster there's certainly no guarantee it wouldn't be rigged, but I wouldn't bet money, no. (not saying the Dems don't cheat either...isn't that saying a lot of nice things for our state that both parties try to cheat). The key is turn out and the Dems will turn out...will the Repubs? They sure didn't in the presidential election and look what we have to contend with now.
    So in other words, you made a statement that you do not believe to be true. As a general rule, I advise against doing that sort of thing.

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