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    The Flat Earth Myth

    Tom Woods in 2005...

    In the course of promoting my new book, How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, I have made the point that major historians of science today no longer hold the simplistic position that "religion" has been nothing but an obstacle to "science." This contention doubtless comes as a surprise to some people, since most of us have gone through life hearing and being taught that very idea.

    The standard view was given its classical expression by Andrew Dickson White (1832—1918) in his two-volume History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). Yet it is safe to say that scarcely any serious historian of science today views White's work as anything but quaintly risible. (That doesn't stop hostile e-mail correspondents even now from dutifully quoting him to me, as if the past century's revolution in our understanding of the history of science had never occurred.) And while the claim of Pierre Duhem and Stanley Jaki that certain Christian theological ideas were indispensable to the rise of Western science (see, for instance, Jaki's discussion of inertial motion — and, indeed, his entire thesis — in Science and Creation: From Eternal Cycles to an Oscillating Universe) has not become the dominant view, the opposite position — the one drilled into the heads of 99.9 percent of American students at all levels, from elementary school onward — has for all intents and purposes been abandoned.

    This just can't be true, say my critics. After all, didn't the Church teach that the world was flat?

    Actually, no. Essentially no one during the Middle Ages believed the world was flat. Of the many myths about the Middle Ages this one is perhaps the most widespread, and yet at the same time the most roundly and authoritatively debunked.

    In fact, the evidence is so overwhelming that refuting this myth is like refuting the idea that the moon is made of cheese.
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    http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods46.html



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    yes, they didn't think it was flat... (maybe the silly sailors did)

    Medieval Cosmology


    now, if you went against the official church proclamation- you'd be tortured until 'cured' or mutilated until death(or burned til death).
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler

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    Tombo's probably better off not even inviting such a discussion. Seriously.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 06-18-2013 at 12:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    yes, they didn't think it was flat... (maybe the silly sailors did)
    Sailors knew even better than anyone else that the Earth was not flat. It was due to that whole "things appearing & disappearing over the horizon" phenomenon ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Tombo's probably better off not even enviting such a discussion. Seriously.
    We'd all be better off if our time wasn't wasted trying to parse such uselessly cryptic remarks. Seriously.

    If you have a point to make, just make it, for Pete's sake! Otherwise, why even bother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    We'd all be better off if our time wasn't wasted trying to parse such uselessly cryptic remarks. Seriously.

    If you have a point to make, just make it, for Pete's sake! Otherwise, why even bother?
    Perhaps I'll think about it a bit and start a discussion in the general or political philosophy sub forum. Historians are a broad group of fellers, you know, and the terms of controversy are dependent upon the author's vision. I think it's pathetic that science continues to be up for debate/scrutiny in religous sub forums.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 06-18-2013 at 01:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I think it's pathetic that science continues to be up for debate/scrutiny in religous sub forums.
    Not if the science being scrutinized involves the "moon landing", those are debated in hot topics.

    Any you guys ever check out the flat earth society wiki? They have some very interesting assertions regarding their position on where we live.
    http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ

    Even the United Nations logo depicts a flat earth map. They don't want anyone to disagree with sphere earth theory because they don't want anyone to explore beyond the realm they control.

    Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30)



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