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    "World exclusive: Iran will send 4,000 troops to aid Bashar al-Assad’s forces in Syria"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-8660358.html

    Washington’s decision to arm Syria’s Sunni Muslim rebels has plunged America into the great Sunni-Shia conflict of the Islamic Middle East, entering a struggle that now dwarfs the Arab revolutions which overthrew dictatorships across the region.

    For the first time, all of America’s ‘friends’ in the region are Sunni Muslims and all of its enemies are Shiites. Breaking all President Barack Obama’s rules of disengagement, the US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East.

    The Independent on Sunday has learned that a military decision has been taken in Iran – even before last week’s presidential election – to send a first contingent of 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against the largely Sunni rebellion that has cost almost 100,000 lives in just over two years. Iran is now fully committed to preserving Assad’s regime, according to pro-Iranian sources which have been deeply involved in the Islamic Republic’s security, even to the extent of proposing to open up a new ‘Syrian’ front on the Golan Heights against Israel.

    In years to come, historians will ask how America – after its defeat in Iraq and its humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan scheduled for 2014 – could have so blithely aligned itself with one side in a titanic Islamic struggle stretching back to the seventh century death of the Prophet Mohamed. The profound effects of this great schism, between Sunnis who believe that the father of Mohamed’s wife was the new caliph of the Muslim world and Shias who regard his son in law Ali as his rightful successor – a seventh century battle swamped in blood around the present-day Iraqi cities of Najaf and Kerbala – continue across the region to this day. A 17th century Archbishop of Canterbury, George Abbott, compared this Muslim conflict to that between “Papists and Protestants”.

    America’s alliance now includes the wealthiest states of the Arab Gulf, the vast Sunni territories between Egypt and Morocco, as well as Turkey and the fragile British-created monarchy in Jordan. King Abdullah of Jordan – flooded, like so many neighbouring nations, by hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees – may also now find himself at the fulcrum of the Syrian battle. Up to 3,000 American ‘advisers’ are now believed to be in Jordan, and the creation of a southern Syria ‘no-fly zone’ – opposed by Syrian-controlled anti-aircraft batteries – will turn a crisis into a ‘hot’ war. So much for America’s ‘friends’.

    Its enemies include the Lebanese Hizballah, the Alawite Shiite regime in Damascus and, of course, Iran. And Iraq, a largely Shiite nation which America ‘liberated’ from Saddam Hussein’s Sunni minority in the hope of balancing the Shiite power of Iran, has – against all US predictions – itself now largely fallen under Tehran’s influence and power. Iraqi Shiites as well as Hizballah members, have both fought alongside Assad’s forces.

    Washington’s excuse for its new Middle East adventure – that it must arm Assad’s enemies because the Damascus regime has used sarin gas against them – convinces no-one in the Middle East. Final proof of the use of gas by either side in Syria remains almost as nebulous as President George W. Bush’s claim that Saddam’s Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

    For the real reason why America has thrown its military power behind Syria’s Sunni rebels is because those same rebels are now losing their war against Assad. The Damascus regime’s victory this month in the central Syrian town of Qusayr, at the cost of Hizballah lives as well as those of government forces, has thrown the Syrian revolution into turmoil, threatening to humiliate American and EU demands for Assad to abandon power. Arab dictators are supposed to be deposed – unless they are the friendly kings or emirs of the Gulf – not to be sustained. Yet Russia has given its total support to Assad, three times vetoing UN Security Council resolutions that might have allowed the West to intervene directly in the civil war.

    In the Middle East, there is cynical disbelief at the American contention that it can distribute arms – almost certainly including anti-aircraft missiles – only to secular Sunni rebel forces in Syria represented by the so-called Free Syria Army. The more powerful al-Nusrah Front, allied to al-Qaeda, dominates the battlefield on the rebel side and has been blamed for atrocities including the execution of Syrian government prisoners of war and the murder of a 14-year old boy for blasphemy. They will be able to take new American weapons from their Free Syria Army comrades with little effort.

    From now on, therefore, every suicide bombing in Damascus - every war crime committed by the rebels - will be regarded in the region as Washington’s responsibility. The very Sunni-Wahabi Islamists who killed thousands of Americans on 11th September, 2011 – who are America’s greatest enemies as well as Russia’s – are going to be proxy allies of the Obama administration. This terrible irony can only be exacerbated by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s adament refusal to tolerate any form of Sunni extremism. His experience in Chechenya, his anti-Muslim rhetoric – he has made obscene remarks about Muslim extremists in a press conference in Russian – and his belief that Russia’s old ally in Syria is facing the same threat as Moscow fought in Chechenya, plays a far greater part in his policy towards Bashar al-Assad than the continued existence of Russia’s naval port at the Syrian Mediterranean city of Tartous.
    more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-8660358.html
    Last edited by sailingaway; 06-15-2013 at 10:37 PM.
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    All indications are that America and it's Western Allies are war weary (finally?), will the people finally stand up and say enough? Please?

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    Washington’s decision to arm Syria’s Sunni Muslim rebels has plunged America into the great Sunni-Shia conflict of the Islamic Middle East, entering a struggle that now dwarfs the Arab revolutions which overthrew dictatorships across the region.

    For the first time, all of America’s ‘friends’ in the region are Sunni Muslims and all of its enemies are Shiites. Breaking all President Barack Obama’s rules of disengagement, the US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East.
    It is not by accident, Obama's neocon puppet masters "divide and conquer" plan by strategically stoking sectarian/ethnic tensions to weaken Israerl's "enemies" and to distract attention away from Israel's occupation of palestinians/settlemets expansions is working splendidly. They found a great gutlessd docile puppet in this political orphan and made him a compliant king.

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    wow... im surprised this has not boiled into a full fledge, all out war between all these factions and countries.

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    Is it possible to send out copies of "War is a Racket" By the most decorated marine ever to Marines, Soldiers, Airmen, and Sailors? Now!

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    Here is what Smedly Butler had to say, peace be upon him, "WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."

    Butler, Smedley D. (2003-08-01). War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier (Kindle Locations 234-236). Feral House. Kindle Edition.

    Nice how they source that for me.
    Last edited by bolil; 06-15-2013 at 10:47 PM.
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    The Independent just tweeted their cover page:



    https://twitter.com/IndyOnSunday/sta...496448/photo/1
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    If this is true and not just some British rag throwing $#@! at the wall, then damn. Talk about everyone laying their cards on the table.

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    "Defeat" in Iraq and Afghanistan.... It depends. Western companies now control oil fields in Iraq and lithium (and other) mines in Afghanistan. If you ask me mission is accomplished.
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    Damn this is bad news. Really bad news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post
    "Defeat" in Iraq and Afghanistan.... It depends. Western companies now control oil fields in Iraq and lithium (and other) mines in Afghanistan. If you ask me mission is accomplished.
    The western countries aren't interested in Iraq's oil fields. More interested in shutting the oil off. They're letting the Chinese have the oil so it doesn't come on the worlds market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post
    "Defeat" in Iraq and Afghanistan.... It depends. Western companies now control oil fields in Iraq and lithium (and other) mines in Afghanistan. If you ask me mission is accomplished.
    Actually the real winners here are the Chinese, since they bought up a lot of the resources in these areas, and didn't spend trillions and trillions in bloody conflict to do it. The losers here are firstly the indigenous peoples of the areas (of all persuasions sans Government puppets), and then Western nations who have bankrupted their nations, created more enemies, and alienated their own populations. It's all coming home to roost.
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    This is very bad for those in the US against intervention in Syria, as conservatives who may have been skeptical of intervention on the grounds that Christians are killed and the rebels are affiliated with Al-Qaeda, may now back intervention as a proxy war against Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    The western countries aren't interested in Iraq's oil fields. More interested in shutting the oil off. They're letting the Chinese have the oil so it doesn't come on the worlds market.
    At the moment they are keeping prices up but sooner or later they will start selling in larger quantities (they are selling it now too)... Important thing is they have control over it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Econ Disciple View Post
    Actually the real winners here are the Chinese, since they bought up a lot of the resources in these areas, and didn't spend trillions and trillions in bloody conflict to do it. The losers here are firstly the indigenous peoples of the areas (of all persuasions sans Government puppets), and then Western nations who have bankrupted their nations, created more enemies, and alienated their own populations. It's all coming home to roost.
    Problem with it is that "Average American Joe" will pay and aristocrats will keep wealth and most probably increase it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    If I had to answer this question truthfully I'd probably piss a lot of people off lol, Barrex would be a better person to ask he doesn't seem to care lol.


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    Iran is now the protectors of Syrian Christians the United States is trying to destroy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post
    Problem with it is that "Average American Joe" will pay and aristocrats will keep wealth and most probably increase it.
    Why is that a "problem", from your perspective? I mean, "we" are to blame anyway, according to you. So if "we" have to pay... well, I guess "we" had it comin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    This is very bad for those in the US against intervention in Syria, as conservatives who may have been skeptical of intervention on the grounds that Christians are killed and the rebels are affiliated with Al-Qaeda, may now back intervention as a proxy war against Iran.
    Yeah,, they are $#@!ing stupid like that.
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    The Jerusalem Post article on quoting The Independent:
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Rep...n-Syria-316680

    Quote Originally Posted by from article
    The Coalition urged Rohani to "reform Iran's position... before it is too late," according to AFP, adding that "the will of the Syrian people is invincible and will not fail because of outside intervention."
    Does this mean the U.S. intervention or Iranian? /naive
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    War...whatever. Lets get it over with. I personally am effin tired of trying to do anything about it. Seems to be something most everyone wants. $#@! it. Let the bodies start piling up.
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    some contradictions

    However:

    "AFP – The United States and other world powers voiced hope for better engagement with Iran after moderate cleric Hassan Rowhani was declared its new president, but Israel called on the international community to keep up the pressure over Tehran’s nuclear drive."

    http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/0...ved-iran-ties/

    So, what is really going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    The Jerusalem Post article on quoting The Independent:
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Rep...n-Syria-316680



    Does this mean the U.S. intervention or Iranian? /naive
    The hypocrisy is astounding but the average planet dweller here in the US will not give it a second thouhht .
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