Alex talks with Lieutenant-General Hamid Gul, a retired high-ranking general officer in the Pakistan Army, and a former spymaster famous for serving as the Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Gul and Jones talk about how intelligence runs al-Qaeda in Syria and are used to perpetuate a manufactured war on terrorism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjtb22sxSuc
He's a bit difficult to understand you need to concentrate when he talks but very interesting
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