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    81% of Turkish protesters define themselves as libertarian

    http://www.france24.com/en/20130605-...-anger-erdogan

    A majority of the protesters at Istanbul's Taksim Gezi Park do not feel close to any political party and say Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's authoritarian leadership style was responsible for sparking the nationwide protests, according to a recent online survey.

    Some 70% of the protesters said they were not allied to a political party while only 15.3% said they had a party affiliation, according to a June 3-4 poll by Esra Ercan Bilgiç and Zehra Kafkaslı, two academics from Istanbul Bilgi University.

    Most of the protesters who completed the survey, 81.2%, defined themselves as “libertarian” while a total of 64.5% of respondents defined themselves as “secular”.
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    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pro...&NewsCatID=341

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    A reverse Arab spring? A democratically elected Islamist government overthrown by street protests of secular libertarians? Hmmm....this could be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    A reverse Arab spring? A democratically elected Islamist government overthrown by street protests of secular libertarians? Hmmm....this could be interesting.
    Don't you just love the sound of that? please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    A reverse Arab spring? A democratically elected Islamist government overthrown by street protests of secular libertarians? Hmmm....this could be interesting.
    My kind of people..

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    lets send this to drudge and see if we can get it in the news cycle

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    A lot of these "libertarians" are left leaning, like Greens, communists, anarcho-leftists and other socialists.

    However, Hans Herman-Hoppe is also in Turkey at the moment.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

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    The closest thing to libertarians in Turkey is a party called the Liberal Democratic Party.

    Here's their platform form their official party web site, translated in English:

    What is Liberal Democracy?
    One of the biggest political issues in Turkey is not known exactly what liberal democracy. Some liberal democracy not only as an economic ideology, while others see it as the ideology of a particular class or group. However, complete and telling the political and economic contradictions of liberal democracy is a political philosophy. The main purpose of all individuals in the community and the state's duty to live happily and freely to determine what needs to be yetkilerininin.
    There are four foundation of classical liberal democracy.


    These are:
    1 Individualism
    The resulting order of human relations, individual actions foreseen, to see as a result of pre-computed and the individual is a means, not an objective is considered to be an end in itself. Even the system of liberal democracy may be called for an individualistic society.

    2 Freedom
    Liberal theory is based strictly negative freedom. So you do not provide anything to the individual, his external pressures, stress is essential to be exposed. Liberal democracy is a prerequisite for understanding sabvunduğu there is no freedom. Options held by an individual, regardless of the individual is free if there is no intervention by force from the outside. Freedom of conscience, freedom of thought and belief, freedom to enjoy and struggles, wills, freedom of assembly and freedom of acquiring property as the basis of many concepts of liberal democracy, and the gift of humanity. Freedom is the only condition, that restrict the freedom of someone else.


    These freedoms respected in its entirety no society, no nation, no country is not free. In this context, liberal democracy, without the consent of the individual, with the consent of the majority of the whole of society or even the restriction of individual freedoms, there can not be a concept. Because of liberal democracy, fundamental rights and freedoms of the consent of the majority, even unacceptable sacrifice.

    3 Rule of law and limited government
    A liberal in the country, the law is applied equally to all, no law can be passed to an individual or group, including the government and most importantly, are binding for all applicable retroactively. The aim is to protect the physical state and only the freedom of the individual.

    4 Spontaneous (spontaneous), the layout and the free market economy
    Classic words, individual freedom, property rights-protected area against the material part of other individuals, between individuals freely exchange format based on the de facto situation today, is the essence of liberal economic doctrine.



    DESCRIPTION OF THE BIG LAROUSSE (1993)
    Liberal
    1 Freedom of person, freedom of speech and political freedoms, pro-people, no one is tolerant of others, tolerant attitude.
    2 Since the economic liberalism that person; liberal supporters, people defending the freedom of behavior, attitudes, opinions, for example, liberal opinion, liberal reform, liberal economics, liberal capitalism, and so on.


    Liberalism
    1 As the economic way of thinking to the individual, his freedom and will result in the public interest, for the privilege of freedom of the individual events that theory.

    2 Political doctrine which limit individual freedoms against the powers of the state.


    Liberalization
    Action to gain more freedom, liberalism, change in line with the liberal thought and behavior, see.


    Liberalization
    To give more freedom to act, with easy access liberalization of the political regime, such as trade liberalization, to ensure a transition to liberalism.

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    A real Turkish Revolution? Awesome.

    Now how about a concurrent Kurdish Revolution?
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    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t-park-project

    Erdogan blinked, after acting like he was gonna escalate the conflict he blinked, lets cheer our Turkish brothers and sisters!

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    I don't think these Turks even know the word 'libertarian.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie Downer View Post
    I don't think these Turks even know the word 'libertarian.'
    Does one have to know the colloquial to be one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie Downer View Post
    I don't think these Turks even know the word 'libertarian.'
    yes because Turks are so backward, quit being condescending Eddie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie Downer View Post
    I don't think these Turks even know the word 'libertarian.'
    As someone as anti-liberty as yourself, are you sure you understand what a libertarian is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJones View Post
    yes because Turks are so backward, quit being condescending Eddie
    I didn't say that. The word libertarian is extremely rare outside the US/Canada/UK. In continental Europe and Latin America (yes, I realize Turkey is neither of those) 'libertarian' doesn't mean much to anyone and is usually taken to mean liberal, which I think is the case here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvikalpa View Post
    As someone as anti-liberty as yourself, are you sure you understand what a libertarian is?
    I fully understand it, which is why I am not a libertarian. I'm a paleoconservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie Downer View Post
    I didn't say that. The word libertarian is extremely rare outside the US/Canada/UK. In continental Europe and Latin America (yes, I realize Turkey is neither of those) 'libertarian' doesn't mean much to anyone and is usually taken to mean liberal, which I think is the case here.
    is it beyond you capacity to understand that we have made it a wide world word?



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJones View Post
    is it beyond you capacity to understand that we have made it a wide world word?
    Except "we" haven't. Libertarianism is very much confined to the United States and has had a small influence in the UK. Outside of those two, libertarianism is extremely obscure with the word libertarian being even more obscure than the ideology behind it.


    Edit: slight correction. Right-libertarianism (such as that espoused by Ron Paul) is extremely obscure. Left-libertarianism and similar philosophies such as anarcho-syndicalism are much more widespread, especially in southern European countries, notably Spain and Greece.
    Last edited by Debbie Downer; 06-13-2013 at 09:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie Downer View Post
    Except "we" haven't. Libertarianism is very much confined to the United States and has had a small influence in the UK. Outside of those two, libertarianism is extremely obscure with the word libertarian being even more obscure than the ideology behind it.
    look again

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    Well Debbie is right to a point.

    The direct translations of the word libertarian are obscure to most in Europe.I didn't even know there was a direct translation of the word in my language until a year and a half ago.But in Europe there are different notions,and different names for political ideologies.

    For an example.The democratic party would not be a liberal party in Europe,but a social-democrat one.The GOP would be a demo-christian party ( probably they would insert conservative in there somewhere ).The Constitutional party would be a Patriotic-(...) party,and the libertarian party would be a neo-liberal party .Yes some countries have p.p that have a direct translation of the word libertarian in their names but they are very rare.

    A neo-liberal is a man who favors everything to be deregulated,cut the government and make most things legal,and when ever it is used to describe the views of someone it goes along with the sentence that he is a "capitalist" as well. Neo-liberal capitalists.

    Now of course there are exceptions in some countries.
    Last edited by Demigod; 06-15-2013 at 03:15 PM.



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