March Against Monsanto - Updates

[donnay]

Monsanto has developed plants which are resistant to glyphosate...

Glyphosate was patented in 1964--not as an herbicide but as a broad spectrum chelator. What it does is it hugs a lot of the minerals and does not allow the plant to get the minerals--hence when you or I eat these plants, we get no minerals. It also kills beneficial microorganisms in the soil that provide nutrients in the plant. It also promotes pathogenic organisms in the soil that overrun the plants--which promotes a weaker plant and invites more disease.

Then in turn this is given to livestock. Non-nutrient based food. Then we eat the livestock--it becomes a vicious circle.

[better-dead-than-fed]

All this Monsanto drama is from people assuming that only the federal government knows how to print food-labels?

[donnay]

Agent Orange was developed as a chemical weapon, not as an agricultural product. Glyphosate has been used safely for over 40 years. Please show me peer reviewed studies that show it has led to deaths or serious illness when used correctly (ie: not deliberately ingested).

Agent Orange (Dioxin) was indeed used as an herbicide.



A 1969 report commissioned by the USDA found Agent Orange showed a "significant potential to increase birth defects." The same year, the NIH confirmed that it caused malformations and stillbirths in mice. In 1970, the US Surgeon General warned it might be hazardous to "our health." The same day, the Secretaries of the Departments of Agriculture, the Interior, and HEW jointly announced the suspension of its use around lakes, recreation areas, homes and crops intended for human consumption. DOD simultaneously announced its suspension of all uses of Agent Orange.



When dioxin contaminated material spread on a Missouri farm in 1971, hundreds of birds, 11 cats, 4 dogs and 43 horses died.



In 1978 the EPA suspended spraying Agent Orange in national forests, due to increases in miscarriages in women living near forests that had been sprayed.



A 1979 study published in the JAMA by Bogen et al looked at 78 Vietnam veterans who reported Agent Orange exposures. Eighty percent reported extreme fatigue. Over 60% had peripheral neuropathies, 73% had depression, and 8% had attempted suicide. Forty-five per cent reported violent rages. Sudden lapses of memory were seen in 21%.

Source:
http://www.wjpbr.com/agentor.html

[Debbie Downer]

Agent Orange (Dioxin) was indeed used as an herbicide.

I never said it wasn't used as a herbicide, that's obviously what it was developed for! I said it was never developed for use as an agricultural product, but instead as a chemical weapon.

Glyphosate, on the other hand, has 40+ year track record of safe use.

[donnay]

All this Monsanto drama is from people assuming that only the federal government knows how to print food-labels?

The federal government is in bed with these rat bastards!! Check out Michael Taylor.

[mad cow]

Thank God for massive Government power and regulations!
Without it people would be walking down the street in NYC drinking huge sodas,eating trans fats and smoking cigarettes,free as a bird.

It is hard to live a free life when all around you people are demanding shorter chains and smaller cages.

[better-dead-than-fed]

The federal government is in bed with these rat bastards!! Check out Michael Taylor.

I can believe that, but I'd look for solutions besides expanding FDA power.

[donnay]

I never said it wasn't used as a herbicide, that's obviously what it was developed for! I said it was never developed for use as an agricultural product, but instead as a chemical weapon.

Glyphosate, on the other hand, has 40+ year track record of safe use.

You don't read all too well, eh?

"A 1969 report commissioned by the USDA found Agent Orange showed a "significant potential to increase birth defects." The same year, the NIH confirmed that it caused malformations and stillbirths in mice. In 1970, the US Surgeon General warned it might be hazardous to "our health." The same day, the Secretaries of the Departments of Agriculture, the Interior, and HEW jointly announced the suspension of its use around lakes, recreation areas, homes and crops intended for human consumption. DOD simultaneously announced its suspension of all uses of Agent Orange."

[Brett85]

Oh please Monsanto is big into corporate welfare and pits small farms out of business everyday while selling foods on the market that are toxic because theiR honchos control the fad and the user and the crank out regulations that knocks the little guy in the dirt if you call that free market I give up.

Right, and your solution is to make the market even less free. Correct?

[Roxi]

Vegas:




a link to many more from LV: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1922664&type=1

[liberty2897]

I can believe that, but I'd look for solutions besides expanding FDA power.

Who here is asking to expand FDA power? Monsanto and the FDA are pretty much the same thing at this point.

[donnay]

I can believe that, but I'd look for solutions besides expanding FDA power.

The march against Monsanto is to bring awareness to people who do not know or realize how poison these GMO's are. It's more like people putting a spot light on the government collusion and Big Agra.

We need more people to be aware of these toxins, therefore, they can make better choices in the food they choose and refuse to buy foods from companies who use GMO's. Many in the organic community already have taken it upon themselves to label their products.

Did you know that the workers who work for Monsanto refuse to eat the GMO's in their cafeteria?

Source:
http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/02/mon...ans-gmo-foods/

[better-dead-than-fed]

Who here is asking to expand FDA power? Monsanto and the FDA are pretty much the same thing at this point.

I thought the March Against Monsanto was calling for the FDA to label GMO foods somehow? I also though the March was opposing the Farmer Assurance Provision, because Marchers want the government to ban the sale of harmful GMO products (cf. banning the sale of large sodas, cigarettes, alcohol, cars, etc.)

[Debbie Downer]

You don't read all too well, eh?

"A 1969 report commissioned by the USDA found Agent Orange showed a "significant potential to increase birth defects." The same year, the NIH confirmed that it caused malformations and stillbirths in mice. In 1970, the US Surgeon General warned it might be hazardous to "our health." The same day, the Secretaries of the Departments of Agriculture, the Interior, and HEW jointly announced the suspension of its use around lakes, recreation areas, homes and crops intended for human consumption. DOD simultaneously announced its suspension of all uses of Agent Orange."

Agent Orange was never developed as an agricultural product. It was designed by the Army to be used as a chemical weapon to destroy enemy crops, not as a agricultural herbicide safe for use with food consumed by humans.

But you keep changing the subject. We're not talking about agent orange, we're discussing glyphosate, which has a 40+ year record of being safely used. It's the most used herbicide in the US and there is no record of it being attributed to any deaths or serious illness when used properly.

[Natural Citizen]

we're discussing glyphosate

Wait a second. Let me just get this right. The fuggin world is marching against monsanto and we're talking about glyphosate?

There's a saying for this skullduggery. It goes like this. Listen now...it goes "Shut up! Listen!" Move along, nothing to see here...we're talking about ...glyphosate.

[Debbie Downer]

Wait a second. Let me just get this right. The fuggin world is marching against monsanto and we're talking about glyphosate?

There's a saying for this skullduggery. It goes like this. Listen now...it goes "Shut up! Listen!" Move along, nothing to see here...

Glyphosate is one of Monsanto's most famous products, they market it under the name Round Up. It's the most common herbicide used in the US and has a 40+ year track record of safe use. Donnay keeps changing the subject to agent orange, though, instead of facing the fact that glyphosate is safe.

[Natural Citizen]

Glyphosate is one of Monsanto's most famous products, they market it under the name Round Up. It's the most common herbicide used in the US and has a 40+ year track record of safe use. Donnay keeps changing the subject to agent orange, though, instead of facing the fact that glyphosate is safe.

I know what it is. It inhibits natural detoxification in human cells....for one.

I'd rather read updates regarding these protests though. Everyone here knows what these herbicides are and do. The hell do we want to waste our time with redundant back and forth spin for? That's really all you're doing.

[pcosmar]

Glyphosate is one of Monsanto's most famous products, they market it under the name Round Up. It's the most common herbicide used in the US and has a 40+ year track record of safe use. Donnay keeps changing the subject to agent orange, though, instead of facing the fact that glyphosate is safe.

Also widely blamed for Bee die off.

In fact,, recently a bee keeper had all his bees stolen,, he was developing bees that were Round Up resistant.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/illinoi...queens/5336210

http://scientificbeekeeping.com/sick...dified-plants/

[tangent4ronpaul]

Glyphosate is one of Monsanto's most famous products, they market it under the name Round Up. It's the most common herbicide used in the US and has a 40+ year track record of safe use. Donnay keeps changing the subject to agent orange, though, instead of facing the fact that glyphosate is safe.

it's actually failing as weeds are getting used to it and Monsanto is working on more robust crops that can survive being sprayed with agent orange.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

This appears to be a media blackout. On Google news, this is the only story that comes up unless you specifically search for Monsanto:

On the eve of March against Monsanto Senate shoots down GMO labeling bill
RT.com - May 24, 2013

is anyone catching it on cable news?

-t

[Natural Citizen]

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[Carlybee]

Glyphosate is one of Monsanto's most famous products, they market it under the name Round Up. It's the most common herbicide used in the US and has a 40+ year track record of safe use. Donnay keeps changing the subject to agent orange, though, instead of facing the fact that glyphosate is safe.

Glyphosate is under investigation for possibly being linked to cancer and parkinson's among other things. Monsanto genetically alters seed stock so that it can withstand being sprayed with Roundup but sure we all need to injest a little weed killer from time to time. (rolls eyes). Not to mention the fact that Monsanto wants to take over the world's seed stock by whatever means possible.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Ban GMO foods, and many will be unable to afford the remaining food. Socialism inflates the human population.

[GunnyFreedom]

This is a great post from GunnyFreedom on the subject from last year.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post4510425

To be fair, I have figured out a much better way since then. Simply add to the definition of 'fraud' the practice of pretending that GMO tomatos are natural tomatos. It is very minimalist, and when labeling laws go away it self-obsoletes.

I only ever supported STATE (definitely not Federal as that would be blatantly unconstitutional) labeling as an emergency measure in a fascistic (not free) market as a means of self-defense against Federal aggression in this area. I have evolved from that somewhat drastic position into the most minor of tweaks -- specifically defining the act of promoting man-manipulated GMO [product] as if it were a natural [product] as being fraud. In other words, bombarding a tomato seed with frog DNA until it was something different is no longer a "tomato" and those who pretend it is are guilty of fraud.

It ends up being a very minor tweak but solves the labeling problem, and when we finally manage to end the FDA labeling requirement id obsoletes itself like it never existed.

I've never - ever - supported federal mandated labeling of any kind.

[GunnyFreedom]

So basically, since we don't currently have a free market, the solution is to make the market even less free?

No, the solution was to establish a State level barricade (self defense) against Federal level aggression (regulatory bans against disclosure).

I have since refined the idea into a much...much...better solution.

[Natural Citizen]

In other words, bombarding a tomato seed with frog DNA until it was something different is no longer a "tomato" and those who pretend it is are guilty of fraud.

See? Gunny is brilliant. If I lived in your state I'd vote for you. Gunny just gave his position on the science of it. Is all that is required.

[GunnyFreedom]

Under an expansive (and wrong) interpretation it would but then if you recognize the Feds can label food you have to accept they can mandate you to buy healthcare and everything else which as you know was never the intention of the Founding fathers vision of a limited government with enumerated powers.

No, technically it would be Constitutional to require disclosure of GMO for any products that actually crossed State lines under the original intent of the Commerce Clause. However there is a much better way to accomplish the same goal simply by defining the practice of pretending that a frogmato was a genuine tomato as fraud.

[Carlybee]

Ban GMO foods, and many will be unable to afford the remaining food. Socialism inflates the human population.

So we should all just eat poison then? I have cut out 50% of GMO foods and am actually saving money. I buy organic non GMO produce from local farmers through a co-op on a weekly basis and yes it's more work because I actually have to prepare my own food instead of opening a can or box but I actually spend less. Roughly $85 for enough greens and fruit that lasts me a week or longer and roughly another $50-$60 a week for other products. We don't use much potatos, rice or bread and little dairy but we do buy free range non hormone added chicken which is about $20 for 10 boneless breasts. We make our own juice and I make my own salad dressing. I'm not saying we don't go out once a week or so to eat but since I don't want to waste the food we buy we do prepare food at home more often so we save money that way as well.

The best solution is putting pressure on the Ag industry and food conglomerates to label on a voluntary basis. Problem is they would probably lie about it. Problem with the government mandating is is that it just gives them more nanny like power. It IS a conundrum but people should try to do their own due diligence.

[GunnyFreedom]

I see what you are saying, but I think what GunnyFreedom did was limited to the state of NC. If you want to get rid of all government federal and state, then I'm all for it. I think states deciding what is good for them might be a practical solution for the time being. Monsanto, in my opinion, is playing with nature in a strong-armed way that could *potentially* be devastating to everyone on the planet. Can you say for sure that GMO could not cause loss of crop diversity and lead to a catastrophic failure of the food supply? I think people should have some say in how these companies operate within the current system that we have. At the very least, companies should be able to voluntarily label their food as non-GMO without fear of being sued.

Correct. I could have never advocated for something like that at the Federal level at all. ever. Mandating federal GMO labeling would be completely unconstitutional. There is simply no authority in the US Constitution granting Washington that kind of power. It was only at the State level, and that was because I did not at the time have the far better (and less interventionist) solution that I do now.

[GunnyFreedom]

How is it dangerous to label food as non-GMO?

It's not. Companies should be free to label or not to label as they see fit. It becomes a real problem when the FDA steps in and says you are not allowed to label [product] as "GMO Free" that it becomes fascistic and thus subject to the enactment of State level defenses.