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Thread: Beheading UK soldier isn't terrorism. It's guerrilla war.

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    Beheading UK soldier isn't terrorism. It's guerrilla war.

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    When I hear the term "guerilla warfare" I picture the "Planet of the Apes" movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DadaOrwell View Post
    Some good points,,
    I had some of the same thoughts,, but had refrained from posting it.
    Many would not understand nor be able to comprehend a difference between a legitimate military target and a civilian target.

    seems that our government forces are having difficulty with that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Some good points,,
    I had some of the same thoughts,, but had refrained from posting it.
    Many would not understand nor be able to comprehend a difference between a legitimate military target and a civilian target.

    seems that our government forces are having difficulty with that as well.
    Indeed. It's becoming quite cliche, but it remains true-terror is the poor man's war, war is the rich man's terror.
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    its actually both. we have the shock effect of an unprovoked uncivilized unpredictable attack...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    its actually both. we have the shock effect of an unprovoked uncivilized unpredictable attack...
    What is a "civilized" attack? Methinks drone strikes and dropping multi-ton bombs on 3rd world desert people isn't exactly "civilized".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    its actually both. we have the shock effect of an unprovoked uncivilized unpredictable attack...
    I'd say that in the big picture, "unprovoked" and "unpredictable" are probably incorrect, although in the smaller picture it is true that the soldier was in this instance just walking along not hurting anyone.


    I suppose the method of the attack was designed to create terror in the minds of the civilians who would hear about it. Certainly it has increased news coverage of the attack.

    As for "uncivilized", there is nothing about war that is civilized.
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    admittedly two knights doing a faceoff like a duel after one hurls down a gauntlet sounds quaint and too directly honest.
    modern warfare is increasingly depressing, even though all in the past who said they were chivalrous sometimes weren't.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    When I hear the term "guerilla warfare" I picture the "Planet of the Apes" movies.
    I picture this:


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    Dude was not a real soldier, he was a drummer ( musician) , ordinary British Inf Battalions still have a drum corp as far as I know. So , yeah , he had been to Afghanistan , to play a drum. These dudes that killed him are not bright enough to understand anything , full retards no doubt . I would not give them any credit.

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    When I think of London , I just think of a socialist ,huge toilet full of the sons of immigrants, disgruntled immigrants that would make it just as third world as where they came from if they could.Welfare state is welfare state, could be the Kingdom of Saud or Iran or Illinois....

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Dude was not a real soldier, he was a drummer ( musician) , ordinary British Inf Battalions still have a drum corp as far as I know. So , yeah , he had been to Afghanistan , to play a drum. These dudes that killed him are not bright enough to understand anything , full retards no doubt . I would not give them any credit.
    I feel sorry for the guy and his family. he had worked an army recruiting table in London. they stalked him to that street.

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    it isn't so much a debate over whether immigration should be wide open or sharply reduced,
    its more a "big brother" around the clock Q as to WHY these terrorists became so brashly brazen.
    it sounds like the killers were on a list, like the two brothers who bombed our recent marathon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Dude was not a real soldier, he was a drummer ( musician) , ordinary British Inf Battalions still have a drum corp as far as I know. So , yeah , he had been to Afghanistan , to play a drum. These dudes that killed him are not bright enough to understand anything , full retards no doubt . I would not give them any credit.
    Actually NO.
    He was a machine gunner in a front line unit.
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/world/...ile/index.html
    (CNN) -- The British soldier slain in a gruesome cleaver attack in London was a well-liked infantryman and machine gunner who served in Afghanistan and Cyprus, and then became a military recruiter and ceremonial drummer outside the Royal Palaces, the military said Thursday.

    Drummer Lee Rigby, 25, was part of the Regimental Recruiting Team in London, and as a machine gunner, he was part of the 2nd Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.

    The Fusiliers, an infantry group, are known for the hackle, or feather plume, in their military headdress.
    Gunner
    Recruiter
    And ceremonial drummer in the Royal Guard

    A Military target.
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    Any enlisted solider or even a supplier to a military is a legitimate military target. Pearl Harbour wasn't a terror attack.

    Neither was the attack on the Pentagon.

    According to the US civilian co-lateral is just fine as long as your target was a military interest.

    So in fact is you think of the Twin Towers as valuable economic and possibly directly military targets, then 9/11 involved Zero terrorism according to the official US Story and Official US definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Indeed. It's becoming quite cliche, but it remains true-terror is the poor man's war, war is the rich man's terror.
    It may be cliche on here, but 95+% of people don't get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Any enlisted solider or even a supplier to a military is a legitimate military target. Pearl Harbour wasn't a terror attack.
    I'm not sure I agree that a mere SUPPLIER of the military should be considered a military target. That's a bit murky, IMO. I'm willing to be convinced.
    Neither was the attack on the Pentagon.
    Its really bad, but I've honestly never considered this. Its completely true. However, they still killed innocent civilians on the planes (Or at least tried to... did anyone actually hit the Pentagon? Sorry guys, I was six when this happened so I don't exactly remember what got hit and what didn't.)
    According to the US civilian co-lateral is just fine as long as your target was a military interest.
    I think this is too generous, but our government isn't going to agree with me.

    So in fact is you think of the Twin Towers as valuable economic and possibly directly military targets, then 9/11 involved Zero terrorism according to the official US Story and Official US definitions.
    How was the Twin Towers not a military target?

    I define my terms a little differently than Ridley does. I'd consider terrorism killing specifically for the purpose of terrifying an even larger group of people. Ridley's definition would work as well, however. In any case, to me its not so much whether someone is a civilian or a "Military target" but whether and to what extent they were a violator of the NAP. American troops had no right to kill any Iraqi soldiers but they weren't really "Civilians" either. Terms like "Terrorism" and "Guerilla Fighter" aren't really relevant IMO. Either you're a murderer (Possibly with some mitigating factors which can be considered in court but not on the battlefield) or you're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Actually NO.
    He was a machine gunner in a front line unit.
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/world/...ile/index.html


    Gunner
    Recruiter
    And ceremonial drummer in the Royal Guard

    A Military target.
    That is more info than I had seen Pete . Still not sure he is a military target as far as those guys are concerned , best I can tell they were born there and not been to these "lands" they claim concern for .As far as them being devout muslims, I doubt that as well . If they could read they would know they are guests in another land and, murder is murder and not appropriate......

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    That is more info than I had seen Pete . Still not sure he is a military target as far as those guys are concerned , best I can tell they were born there and not been to these "lands" they claim concern for .As far as them being devout muslims, I doubt that as well . If they could read they would know they are guests in another land and, murder is murder and not appropriate......
    Actually,, they were British citizens, and had Mi5 connections. They targeted him for being a soldier (allegedly)

    but there may be more to this ,, on the surface it seems it is just to kick $#@! off,, and it is doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Actually,, they were British citizens, and had Mi5 connections. They targeted him for being a soldier (allegedly)

    but there may be more to this ,, on the surface it seems it is just to kick $#@! off,, and it is doing that.
    From what I have seen , they were born there, and I find that in itself to be suspicious , pawns for something...... ( ?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    From what I have seen , they were born there, and I find that in itself to be suspicious , pawns for something...... ( ?)
    Nothing like stirring up a bunch of violent mobs to justify a Police State crackdown..

    I mean,, If you want Total Control.
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    If Jihadi's were fighting a guerrilla war then they would be fighting for a valid interest and we might need to question our leaders actions.

    Instead they are just terrorizing Americans because they hate freedom.

    Its just pure Orwellian messaging.
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    While this is pretty much true, the Al Qeida guerilla warriors or whatever you want to call them are still cowards. If they were real warriors they would attack military targets, or even better, the politicians directly. Instead they attack human civilians. I think its appropriate to feel disgust for them even though we realize if our government left them alone they wouldn't be attacking us.
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    Bombing shopping malls and buses are terror attacks.

    If soldiers are getting attacked and this causes terror, your soldiers are not very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    While this is pretty much true, the Al Qeida guerilla warriors or whatever you want to call them are still cowards. If they were real warriors they would attack military targets, or even better, the politicians directly. Instead they attack human civilians. I think its appropriate to feel disgust for them even though we realize if our government left them alone they wouldn't be attacking us.
    Meh, uniformed soldiers do the same thing routinely. War makers and general initiators of aggression everywhere are cowards. At least Al Quaeda guys have the balls to attack in person. Western thugs like to use their drones and planes and such like cowards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    While this is pretty much true, the Al Qeida guerilla warriors or whatever you want to call them are still cowards. If they were real warriors they would attack military targets, or even better, the politicians directly. Instead they attack human civilians. I think its appropriate to feel disgust for them even though we realize if our government left them alone they wouldn't be attacking us.
    To be fair, the man they killed was a machine gunner... not a civilian. If these men were about killing civilians they would have murdered that woman that talked to them... they didn't.

    Blowback. This is blowback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I'm not sure I agree that a mere SUPPLIER of the military should be considered a military target. That's a bit murky, IMO. I'm willing to be convinced.
    Anything aiding or abetting the enemy has long been fair game. Even as far up the food chain as being a ball bearing factory.

    Of the twelve Nuremberg trials, three were of industrialists. Selling weapons to an aggressor even before the war is an international war crime.

    Attacking the managers of lockheed martin in their homes is legal if the US is at war. Such an act would not be terrorism.

    Shooting civilians in the street from the boot of a car is terrorism.
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