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    Rand Paul: My colleagues just voted to arm the allies of al Qaeda




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    My favorite comment, coming from a guy defending the Syrian Free Army.

    Rand Paul is an isolationist coward that stands against humanitarian intervention of any kind. No surprise that he would use a red herring. He has no chance to ever be President so he uses as much red bait as possible to garner the support of the extreme elements of his constituency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supermario21 View Post
    My favorite comment, coming from a guy defending the Syrian Free Army.
    Wish cowards like that would go to Syria and fight themselves, instead of demanding U.S. taxpayers foot the bill to support their Sunni takeover of Syria and persecution of Christians.

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    I really can't wait for some of these old war hawks like McCain to retire. (I started out saying "die" but that's not very nice and retirement would work just fine for me.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermario21 View Post
    Didn't help me get around it.
    Can someone just post the jest of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermario21 View Post
    My favorite comment, coming from a guy defending the Syrian Free Army.
    Rand Paul an isolationist? These people are jokes..

    Quote Originally Posted by WhistlinDave View Post
    I really can't wait for some of these old war hawks like McCain to retire. (I started out saying "die" but that's not very nice and retirement would work just fine for me.)
    If it makes you feel better, I could say that... I'm a Christian, so I shouldn't feel this way about anyone, but IF we should celebrate anyone's death I would think it should be the people who vote for this kind of mass murder (And by that I mean in the senate, not regular voters who don't know what the crap they're doing in Presidential elections.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    Didn't help me get around it.
    Can someone just post the jest of it?
    I didn't have a problem, but if you bring up the article through a google search link that should work.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...46751780,d.dmQ

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    Here's the text...

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...d0nOEw.twitter

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) blasted members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Tuesday, which voted overwhelmingly to arm elements of the Syrian opposition in a bill co-sponsored by Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN). "This is an important moment," Paul said, addressing his Senate colleagues. "You will be funding, today, the allies of al Qaeda. It's an irony you cannot overcome."

    The legislation, which would authorize the shipment of arms and military training to rebels "that have gone through a thorough vetting process," passed in a bipartisan 15-3 vote. Paul offered an amendment that would strike the bill's weapons provision, but it was rejected along with another Paul amendment ruling out the authorization of the use of military force in Syria. (Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy was the only senator to join Paul in support of the weapons amendment.)

    Paul's two amendments constituted his first legislative act to soften the Menendez-Corker bill, which earned the support of powerful lawmakers from Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) to Barbara Boxer (D-CA) to Marco Rubio (R-FL) -- all of whom rejected Paul's allegations. "I don't think any member of this committee would vote for anything we thought was going to arm al Qaeda," said Rubio. "Al Qaeda, unfortunately, is well-armed," added Menendez. "That is the present reality in Syria."

    The dispute centers on the issue of whether the United States could properly vet Syrian rebels so that weapons and body armor would not fall into the hands of extremist groups, such as the al Qaeda-aligned al-Nusra Front. The Pentagon's top brass has vacillated about whether it's logistically possible to keep track of weapons as they enter a conflict involving a complex mix of opposition groups, as the new bill would require.

    Corker added that not arming rebel groups such as the more moderate Free Syrian Army would ensure the dominance of the better-equipped al-Nusra Front. Paul responded, saying, "It's impossible to know who our friends are ... I know everyone here wants to do the right thing, but I think it's a rush to war."

    To get a sense of how adamant the committee is to authorize more aggressive intervention in Syria, an amendment offered by Sen. Tom Udall (D-NM) to limit the types of weapons delivered to rebels was forcefully rejected as well. "The senator from New Mexico wants to use shotguns against SCUD missiles," McCain said dismissively.

    The bill now includes an amendment by Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA), that would "require the administration to impose sanctions on entities that provide surface-to-surface or surface-to-air missiles, like the SA20s or S300s, to the Assad regime," according to a press release -- a clear reference to Russia, which has vowed in recent weeks to proceed with sales of advanced missiles that would extend the range and sophistication of the Syrian regime's anti-aircraft systems.

    The Menendez-Corker bill next moves to the Senate floor, but an aide to Menendez said it was uncertain when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose office did not respond to a request for comment, will take up the legislation.

    Observers say the bill's chances of passing in its current form are slim, but it does increase the pressure on the administration to intervene more aggressively. As Andrew Tabler, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy noted earlier this month, "If you want to pressure the president into acting, it's a pretty good bill ...The last time the Hill moved on Syria was sanctions on Syrian oil in the summer of 2011. That pressured the president to move, and this could too."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    TY! That was the only way I could access it, which was weird.
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    . I know everyone here wants to do the right thing,
    I really hope Rand Paul knows better than that deep down...
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    Good move.
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    I think Syria is doomed even if Assad wins. Problem is Al Qaeda is there and is probably going to stay there. Guess what? Suicide bombings, car bombs, IED and other jihadist activities.

    Rebels are supposed to fight for freedom and "democracy"... yet they accepted Al Qaeda's help. According to our government, Al Qaeda is against "freedom", "democracy", "bikinis" and "beer". I'd symphatize with the rebels if they never accepted Al Qaeda's help (even when west didnt offer military aid).

    I just hope one side wins soon so we can stop worrying about intervention.

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    Love it. This gives more fuel for these kinds of attack ads. Remember this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by from article quote
    Observers say the bill's chances of passing in its current form are slim, but it does increase the pressure on the administration to intervene more aggressively. As Andrew Tabler, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy noted earlier this month, "If you want to pressure the president into acting, it's a pretty good bill ...The last time the Hill moved on Syria was sanctions on Syrian oil in the summer of 2011. That pressured the president to move, and this could too."
    Oh, the president is getting bullied into making a move by a threat from congress where they not quite pass a bill, he better get busy?

    What a crock of $#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    Rand Paul an isolationist? These people are jokes..



    If it makes you feel better, I could say that... I'm a Christian, so I shouldn't feel this way about anyone, but IF we should celebrate anyone's death I would think it should be the people who vote for this kind of mass murder (And by that I mean in the senate, not regular voters who don't know what the crap they're doing in Presidential elections.)

    It would be something like this i can imagine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-H5uMfr43U<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-H5uMfr43U">
    2016 gop est business as usual, rules do not apply.

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    Can anyone find more of this quote or even video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by radiofriendly View Post
    Love it. This gives more fuel for these kinds of attack ads. Remember this?


    These were funded by Sen. Paul...
    I still find these types of ads to be offensive. It promotes the, "they hate us for ..." (add you're meme)

    I understand that it is targeting the idea that we should drop foreign aide, but at the expense of making it look like "all mooslims hate us".

    How about an ad showing atrocities done by those that we have propped up and aided and what a negative impact it has on the native people there.
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

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    This is good, but I'll still be far more impressed if Rand votes against the Iran resolution today. Preemptive war with Iran is far more important that the issue of arming the Syrian rebels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    The headline should have read "AIPAC voted to arm the allies of al Qaeda". It may be politically incorrect to say it publicly, but it's important that we at least understand where this congressional obsession with Middle Eastern politics comes from.

    What does someone like Barbara Boxer know about Syria and the rebels and war? Nothing. She is doing the bidding of her campaign donors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    I still find these types of ads to be offensive. It promotes the, "they hate us for ..." (add you're meme)

    I understand that it is targeting the idea that we should drop foreign aide, but at the expense of making it look like "all mooslims hate us".

    How about an ad showing atrocities done by those that we have propped up and aided and what a negative impact it has on the native people there.
    So you don't think there are populations in the Middle East that despise Western civilisation as a whole? All hatred is caused by blowback?

    I like to think of it this way - they are a nest of hornets. On occasion, a few will venture out and sting you without you doing anything. However, if you break the nest in half, they will sting you to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    So you don't think there are populations in the Middle East that despise Western civilisation as a whole? All hatred is caused by blowback?

    I like to think of it this way - they are a nest of hornets. On occasion, a few will venture out and sting you without you doing anything. However, if you break the nest in half, they will sting you to death.
    I think that, in general, the average person in those countries could give a $#@! about America, until America sticks it's nose into their business causing the destruction of their homes, lives, and future. But those people aren't the ones, for the most part, that will strike out at us directly, anymore than the those who lost someone on 9/11 are going to blow themselves up in Afghanistan to get even.
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mm View Post
    Rebels are supposed to fight for freedom and "democracy"...
    Sure, in Hollywood movies they are. In reality these people have no idea what any of those words mean! The best case in the event Assad falls is that another warlord will set up a brutal dictatorship of his own.

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