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  1. #91
    My skeptical nature is usually suspicious of miracles. This one really stood out for me as something awesome. Thanks for the posts and a bump to your thread.

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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    My skeptical nature is usually suspicious of miracles. This one really stood out for me as something awesome. Thanks for the posts and a bump to your thread.
    I agree we must be skeptical. Personally, I love the story about the church listed below to be awesome as well. My co-worker was in Greece in September and visited this 800 year old church and while he is far from religious, he said it was a profound experience to visit it. Science cannot explain how this little church and the trees growing upon it has occured or why the thin roof has not collapsed. Inside the church you can find no evidence of damage or roots growing. Truly a miracle.

    What Scientists Have Said About the Miraculous Chapel of St. Theodora in Vasta


    By John Sanidopoulos


    What we know of the life of St. Theodora of Vasta comes entirely from local tradition, but her little chapel in southern Greece is known throughout the world and visited by thousands every year.

    The Chapel of St. Theodora dates approximately to the 12th century and it is entirely made of stone. What is extraordinary about this church however is that there currently grow 17 enormous trees on the roof of this small structure. Most of them are over 30m high, and some of them are over 1m in diameter. Many of the trees weigh over 1 ton. Yet, even if the roof of the little church is thin and without any special support, it remains standing for centuries now as if by a miracle. Scientists have studied the case and they confess their inability to explain how the trees grow on such a thin roof, without destroying the church. The little church is under great pressure, and over time some minor restoration has been necessary, but that is mainly due to the curiosity of some inexperienced people who have tried to “understand the mystery”. Unprofessional interventions have affected the church’s architecture, though only to a small degree.

    According to tradition, St. Theodora, prior to her martyrdom, prayed: “May my body become a church, my blood a river, and my hair trees.” Today this is exactly what one sees when visiting this holy shrine. On the spot where her martyred body is said to lay, locals built a church in her honor. A river also runs beneath this chapel and the trees have grown above it.


    The little church is currently under the protection of the Metropolis of the region, as well as under that of the Minister of Culture as a Byzantine monument of national value.

    Believers without hesitation see this church as an unexplainable miracle, celebrating the feast of St. Theodora annually on Bright Tuesday for centuries, until 1956 when her feast was transferred to September 11th, due to a certain resemblance in story with St. Theodora of Alexandria who is also celebrated that day.

    But what do scientists say about the miracle in Vasta?



    In 2003, at the Fourth Symposium of “Archaeometry” in Greece, a geophysical report on the little church in Vasta was presented. Researchers from the University of Patras came to Vasta especially to study “the miracle”. They decided to make an ultrasound test, and to analyze each part of the walls. The results of the research offered the researchers the necessary answers in order to receive the approvals needed for the complete restoration of the monument. They observed how the roots have grown through the small free spaces in between the stones of the wall, all the way to the ground. The walls are under constant pressure, and the building has become “a living body”.

    The archaeological findings led to the same conclusion: the way the roots have followed this path and the fact that the church and its roof are untouched appear to be in fact a miracle, which is unique in this world, and unexplainable.

    Eleftherios Beligiannis, an Engineer from Athens, said in 1986: “Since the winds that blow in that area have the power to uproot trees, it is clear how much force the 17 trees press upon the roof”.

    Loukos Constantinos, a Geologist of Corinth, said in 1987: “There is no geological explanation. It is a continuous miracle”.

    George Raptis, a Silviculturist of Nafpaktos, said in 1992: “The entire phenomenon is beyond any of man’s logical, natural and scientific explanations”.

    Eleni Stavrogiannis-Perry, an Architect from Kalamata, said in 1993: “The phenomenon is scientifically unexplainable. Considering the position of the church, its temporary construction and its age, the heavy weight and the winds should have gradually destroyed it. But it is still standing, after so many centuries, without any serious damage”.

    Anastasios Tinkas, an Archaeologist, Historian and Theologian from Attica, said: “The entire growth, existence and life of the trees on the roof of the little church of the pious martyr Theodora is amazing, beyond any man’s natural reasoning and explanations. This shows a rare characteristic: God’s intervention for His creature, the making of the miracle”.

    Mr. Pallas, Director of Antiquities from Athens, said: "Under the laws of nature, at least the large trees, because of the slope, height and perimeter, should have destroyed it. To stand imperiously, is something that science cannot give an explanation".

    P. Makrigiannis, a Geologist, said in 1993: “Seventeen giants supported on nothing! All these huge trees are rooted on nothing, or better said, on a roof which is only a few centimeters thick! However, the biggest surprise awaits us inside. There is not even the smallest root coming through the old walls. There is no crack caused by them! When the wind blows through one of the huge trees of the church, its roots form such strong levers, that the small settlement should crash immediately. As a geologist, I know very well that the walls should have been crushed and broken down only under one tree, and they are seventeen!"

    It should be noted that this church is also in the Guinness Book of World Records as a miraculous wonder.



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  4. #93
    The story of the chapel with the trees was fascinating too. However inspiring nature and the church co-existing is (very inspiring), I love seeing communism overcome.

    Reading of what they did to the Russian Orthodox Church sometimes depresses me-- +50,000,000 by some estimates murdered. Everyone should study it because we may be next. However the Russian Church is still flourishing. 70 years of brutality could not conquer it. That story strengthens my hope and faith in the future that God has for us.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    The story of the chapel with the trees was fascinating too. However inspiring nature and the church co-existing is (very inspiring), I love seeing communism overcome.

    Reading of what they did to the Russian Orthodox Church sometimes depresses me-- +50,000,000 by some estimates murdered. Everyone should study it because we may be next. However the Russian Church is still flourishing. 70 years of brutality could not conquer it. That story strengthens my hope and faith in the future that God has for us.
    just like that little church which the communists could not destroy, the Church of Christ will never be destroyed. Though these enemies murdered and sent to the gulags tens of millions of Christians in order to eradicate the faith, all one has to do is look at Russia today where new churches are being built daily to understand the strength and resilience of the Chrisitan faith.

    Greece was under Ottoman rule for 400 years, the population restricted from going to school or to church, and even still, the language, the history, and above all the Orthodox faith could not be overcome. This is how the Orthodox faith has persevered down the ages, the most severely persecuted faith in the history of the world, a faith sustained and empowered by the Holy Spirit of God.
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  6. #95
    RJB, here is a description of the attendees of the First Ecumenical Council which declared the orthodox teaching of Jesus as Light of Light and True God of True God. These bishops who were present were from very far places in the world at the time, all the way to India, in order to proclaim the teachings known everywhere and at all times to counter the rising Arian heresy which was beginning to spread like a virus throughout parts of Christendom.


    Disabilities of attendees at 1st Ecumenical Council



    A brief account of the 1st Ecumenical Council, as given by Marutha of Meparkat:


    ...The General Council having thus received authority from the king, the fathers directed that there should be gradations in the assembly and that each Bishop should sit in his place according to his rank. Chairs were there made for all and the king entered and sat with them. He kissed the spots which were the marks of Christ in their bodies. Of the 318 fathers, only 11 were free from such marks, whose name were Absalom, Bishop of Edessa, and son of Mar Ephrem's sister, Jonah of Raikson, Mara of Dora, George of Shegar, Jacob of Nisibis, Marouta of Mepairkat, John of Goostia, Shimon of Diarbekir, Adai of Agal, Eusebius of Caesarea and Joseph of Nicomedia. But all the others were more or less maimed in their persecutions from heretics. Some had their eyes taken out; some had their ears cut off. Some had their teeth dug out by the roots. Some had the nails of their fingers and toes torn out; some were otherwise mutilated; in a word there was no one without marks of violence; save the above-named persons. But Thomas, Bishop of Marash was an object almost frightful to look upon; he had been mutilated by the removal of his eyes, nose and lips; his teeth had been dug out and both his legs and arms had been cut off. He had been kept in prison 22 years by the Armanites [Armenians] who used to cut off a member of his body or mutilate him in some way every year, to induce him to consent to their blasphemy, but he conquered in this fearful contest to the glory of believers and to the manifestation of the unmercifulness of the heretics. The fathers took him with them to the Council and when the king saw him, he fell down upon the ground and venerated him saying, "I venerate thee, O thou martyr of Christ, who art adorned with many crowns."
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  7. #96
    The above description is taken from this account of the First Council:

    A brief account of the council (of Nicea), as given by Marutha of Meparkat by direction of the Patriarch Isaac.

    The blessed Apostles, when they went forth to proclaim the glad tidings of the glorious Gospel of Christ, did not establish creeds and confessions, but their main care was to turn men from the worship of idols to the worship of the holy cross *; and that those, who were discipled should keep themselves from fornication, from the uncleanness of things offered to idols, from strangled and from blood. But when their message went forth into all the world and their words into all the earth, and the faith of Christ was spread abroad in every country through their instrumentality and Jews [21] and Gentiles received and became subject unto it, Satan showed his wickedness and his servants became manifest and clothed themselves with disgrace and shame; and since the evil one gained nothing in his first war but reproach, he set his forces in battle array again with more bitterness than ever, and spread wide dissentions, controversies, and confusion among those who were invited to Heaven, and introduced numerous heresies into the church. So that the number of heresies equalled the number of bishops and right was oppressed and the truth was persecuted. True believers diminished and heretics increased. Then, like the rays of the Sun in the midst of dark clouds, was seen the faithful crown of the pure kingdom of the blessed Constantine, the holy emperor and [20] worthy of immortal honor, who, being stimulated by zeal from the true faith, wrote to the most excellent and orthodox Bishop of Jerusalem, Alexander, to wit, "I have learned from the Holy Scriptures that out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. You will then immediately upon the reception of this my royal epistle, come to my presence, for it is necessary to the Holy Church, that the true faith of Christ should issue from those sacred temples (of Jerusalem). I have two Bishops who give me trouble daily, and by their controversies produce confusion and irregularity. It has not been practicable for me hitherto to give attention to this subject in consequence of the many wars which we have been prosecuting against our enemies, and especially against Jews and Heathens who are without [2] the Christian fold. But now that we are at peace with all around, and both friends and enemies are subject to our authority, I have no other care than to settle the disputes which have arisen in the church. We now wait for your arrival in order that we may learn from you the truth and then proceed to action. You will of course do as we have directed, and we desire your prayers in behalf of our kingdom."

    When the blessed Alexander received the letter, ordering hum to proceed to the Capital, he immediately made preparations for his journey and fearing to go by land on account of the heretics that he would meet with, he selected a ship to go by sea. The very day that he went on board, a man appeared unto him in a dream and said to him, "You will not see the face of the earthly king, for you will be taken speedily to behold the face of the heavenly king." He then wrote a letter in relation to the true faith of Christ, that the emperor desired to learn, which he sealed and committed to Priest Makaris to carry by land to the Capital. Alexander then proceeded by sea and arrived at an island called Pataia. There he was seized by the heretics, who made him large promises if he would join himself to their party. But as he did not listen to their alluring words, they sent his soul to the presence of the Lord, with excruciating torture. He was thus honored with the crown of martyrdom for the sake of the words of Christ, and departed from this world of sorrow. When the Emperor Constantine received the news of his death, he was overwhelmed with grief, and when the letter of Alexander [19] which was brought by Priest Makaris reached hum, he burned with divine zeal and wrote the following order to all the Bishops in the world; viz. "Constantine Augustus Caesar, Constantine Autocrat and king, to every church under heaven, obedient and not obedient to Christ our king, be peace. Give heed all of you to this order, and delay not to assemble in General Council at the city of Nicea in the province of Bithynia for the investigation of the true Christian faith. Let not any delay to come either of those who agree in sentiment or of those who disagree, and let no man prevent another's coming that he may declare his faith in the council in the presence of all the Bishops, in order that there may be one mind and one bond of faith and perfect unity, and that the whole church may stand in one body with an undivided faith [18] with one perfect will, and that no man may transgress or despise the command of the church or state. We will allow one year and two months which will be sufficient time for all to assemble from every quarter. In the month of October let all the Bishops be found in Nice, a city of Bithynia, which is in the neighborhood of our Christian Capital. May you all be prospered in the Lord."

    As the presence of all Bishops whether in the dominions of Constantine or not of them was desired, Mar Shimeon, Bar Sabae, Patriarch of Seleucia and Ctesiphon was desired to be present, but on account of the disturbed state of the surrounding countries he was prevented from going. He wrote a letter, which he forwarded by the hand of Priest Shahdost, of the following purport: "If it were not that [17] the heathen are thirsting for my blood, I should by all means attend and be blessed by the ecclesiastical council and by the pure state of Constantine. But whatever the Bishops in council assembled who have been persecuted for the sake of the true faith may do, I shall gladly agree to."

    When the Bishops had assembled according to the royal command, the king read the declaration of faith, which Alexander, Bishop of Jerusalem had written and forwarded by the hand of Priest Makaris. It was read in the presence of 2048 Bishops, but only 318 of these assented to it. The king then took his ring, sceptre and sword and gave them into their hands, saying, Here is given to you authority over the whole church, over ecclesiastical and civil affairs, and over all the orders in church and state. [16] Do whatever you please, and God will require at your hands an account of the sons of the church. The General Council having thus received authority from the king, the fathers directed that there should be gradations in the assembly and that each Bishop should sit in his place according to his rank. Chairs were there made for all and the king entered and sat with them. He kissed the spots which were the marks of Christ in their bodies. Of the 318 fathers, only 11 were free from such marks, whose name were Absalom, Bishop of Edessa, and son of Mar Ephrem's sister, Jonah of Raikson, Mara of Dora, George of Shegar, Jacob of Nisibis, Marouta of Mepairkat, John of Goostia, Shimon of Diarbekir, Adai of Agal, Eusebius of Caesarea and Joseph of Nicomedia. But all the others were more or less maimed in their persecutions [15] from heretics. Some had their eyes taken out; some had their ears cut off. Some had their teeth dug out by the roots. Some had the nails of their fingers and toes torn out; some were otherwise mutilated; in a word there was no one without marks of violence; save the above-named persons. But Thomas, Bishop of Marash was an object almost frightful to look upon; he had been mutilated by the removal of his eyes, nose and lips; his teeth had been dug out and both his legs and arms had been cut off. He had been kept in prison 22 years by the Armanites [Armenians] who used to cut off a member of his body or mutilate him in some way every year, to induce him to consent to their blasphemy, but he conquered in this fearful contest to the glory of believers and to the manifestation of the unmercifulness of the heretics. The fathers took him with them to the Council and when [14] the king saw him, he fell down upon the ground and worshipped + him saying, "I worship thee, O thou martyr of Christ, who art adorned with many crowns."
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  9. #97
    News Report on the Hawaiian Iveron Myrrh-Streaming Icon (video)




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  10. #98
    The Relic of Fr. George Calciu the Confessor Found Incorrupt



    At Petru-Voda Monastery in Romania, according to the specific rubric observed by our Church, the Service of Exhumation took place for Fr. George Calciu Dumitreasa, for the completion of seven years since his repose (+ November 21, 2006). His relic was found incorrupt, thus affirming the sanctity of his life.


    He lived through the peak of the brutality of communism, when Christians were imprisoned and tortured in the most inhumane way. He went through torture that the common human mind cannot comprehend. He was hideously tortured, kept in the dark and cold, mocked, terrorized, and saw his comrades die one by one.


    He showed incredible courage, a courage bordering on foolishness, a foolishness for Christ. He understood that this was a battle between God and Satan, and he was fighting for something he considered essential: the Church, the Faith, human dignity and freedom.

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  11. #99
    Here is a youtube video of Father George Calciu regarding prayer. Many consider him a modern day saint and the fact that his relics have been exhumed incorrupt affirm it.

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  12. #100
    The Myrrh-Streaming Icon of Saint Anna at St. Tikhon's Monastery



    On May 9, 2004 – Mother’s Day in the U.S. – an Icon of St. Anna, the Mother of the Holy Virgin Mary, located in the Russian Orthodox Church of Our Lady of Joy of All Who Sorrow in Philadelphia began to stream myrrh. On that Sunday one of the parishioners mentioned to the parish rector, Archimandrite Athanasy that the Icon of St. Anna seemed to be “perspiring”. Upon further investigation, Fr. Athanasy notice visible liquid streams and droplets. Accumulations of the liquid were seen on the cuff on St. Anna’s left hand and on her left shoulder veil. Droplets were also found elsewhere on the Icon. This fragrant, slightly oily liquid is commonly referred to as “myrrh”. Initially the myrrh looked like tear drops, as if St. Anna was crying. More recently small, slow-moving streams of myrrh have appeared in other parts of the Icon.

    The Icon of St. Anna had been commissioned by Fr. Athanasy in 1998, in the Mount of Olives Convent in Jerusalem. He himself had served there in 1980-1981. In 1998, the Icon was completed, blessed at the Sepulcher of our Lord in the Jerusalem Church of the Resurrection, and brought to Philadelphia.

    As of Fall 2012, the Icon resides at St. Tikhon's Monastery and has a wonderful heavenly fragrace but is not currently weeping. Assistance and healings are still wrought by the miraculous Icon of St. Anna and she continues to work wonders for those who approach with faith.
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  13. #101
    Dozens of Icons Weep in Russia and Ukraine




    Reports have circulated in the media that dozens of icons in Ukraine and Russia have suddenly started weeping in light of recent tensions between the two countries. However, the video news report circulated (below) was posted on September 27, 2013. Therefore, this phenomenon actually took place on the eve before the unrest that came to Ukraine, which began in November 2013 and escalated in January 2014. Since this video was posted by the actual news station, it is assumed the report was in fact made in late September 2013.


    It thus appears that in September dozens of icons began weeping in Ukraine and Russia in various parishes and monasteries. The people wondered at the time what kind of heavenly sign this was, since signs like this have often taken place in history on the eve of large-scale disasters, such as, for example, the Russian Revolution of 1917. Due to the more recent revolutionary activity in Ukraine, it is interpreted now that this phenomenon is associated with it.


    Among the locations of the weeping icons in Russia were Syktyvkar, Pechora, Rostov-on-Don, Novokuznetsk. In Ukraine they were in Odessa, Rivne and other locations.


    It is not known if these icons have continued weeping.











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  14. #102
    2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NIV

    The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
    ...

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
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    Careful now Sola--Revelation 12 describes the Catholic Church to a T and speaks of Gods protection of the church and her children. You know not what you speak of here.

    The Pope is a different subject all together.



    Revelation 12:1

    Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.





    3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days
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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Terry1 View Post
    Careful now Sola--Revelation 12 describes the Catholic Church to a T and speaks of Gods protection of the church and her children. You know not what you speak of here.

    The Pope is a different subject all together.



    Revelation 12:1

    Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.





    3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days
    But sadly you are part of the whole religion of man as well because you preach synergism.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    But sadly you are part of the whole religion of man as well because you preach synergism.

    Well Sola, as much as you think you've already obtained eternal security, I can just see you now wondering why God chose all of those "wicked" Catholics over you. And I'm sure you'll be standing there explaining to God how He screwed up by not choosing you.

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Terry1 View Post
    Well Sola, as much as you think you've already obtained eternal security, I can just see you now wondering why God chose all of those "wicked" Catholics over you. And I'm sure you'll be standing there explaining to God how He screwed up by not choosing you.
    You aren't a Christian. All Christians believe that they have been (past tense) saved by God:
    Romans 5:9-11

    Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

  20. #107
    That doesn't always hold true.
    NRS 1 Thessalonians 5:8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, and put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation.

  21. #108
    As Maxwell Smart would have said, "Ah, the old mryyh gushing icon trick".

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    You aren't a Christian. All Christians believe that they have been (past tense) saved by God:
    I don't know how you can claim to be one either, no one's ever seen any evidence of it yet, other than you misquoting scripture and butchering the context of it.

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Terry1 View Post
    I don't know how you can claim to be one either, no one's ever seen any evidence of it yet, other than you misquoting scripture and butchering the context of it.
    I suggest putting Sola on ignore. The forums are much more pleasant and logical without his presence.
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I suggest putting Sola on ignore. The forums are much more pleasant and logical without his presence.
    Sometimes he says things that I just can't leave alone. LOL It's a weakness I guess.

  25. #112
    I say ignore Sola_Fide at your own peril . . .



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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    I say ignore Sola_Fide at your own peril . . .
    lol

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    That doesn't always hold true.
    +rep

    The Bible speaks of our salvation as a past,
    Quote Originally Posted by Romans 8:24
    For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
    present,
    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Corinthians 1:18
    For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
    Quote Originally Posted by 2 Corinthians 2:15
    For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing
    and future event.
    Quote Originally Posted by Romans 5:9-10
    Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
    Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    lol
    Ditto! LOL!

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I suggest putting Sola on ignore. The forums are much more pleasant and logical without his presence.
    I think that S_F is one of the best posters on the board. And for a few reasons. Sometimes we choose to ignore that which is not comfortable to accept. It's human nature. Especially if it interferes with our own personal feel good sense of centrality that derives from our personal interpretations of the scriptures in which we tend to offer as justification to support a sense of self rightousness.
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I think that S_F is one of the best posters on the board. And for a few reasons. Sometimes we choose to ignore that which is not comfortable to accept. It's human nature. Especially if it interferes with our own personal feel good sense of centrality that derives from our personal interpretations of the scriptures in which we tend to offer as justification to support a sense of self rightousness.
    Well, he is pretty tenacious and thick skinned, I will give him that. He doesn't give up anything easy if anything at all. I do respect consistency, even if it's totally wrong. It's the wishy-washy stuff I have a hard time with.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I suggest putting Sola on ignore. The forums are much more pleasant and logical without his presence.
    I have not seen evidence of that, HB. Whom do you believe to be pleasant and logical on the religion sub-forum? No need to answer really, since it would be subjective.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    I think that S_F is one of the best posters on the board. And for a few reasons. Sometimes we choose to ignore that which is not comfortable to accept. It's human nature. Especially if it interferes with our own personal feel good sense of centrality that derives from our personal interpretations of the scriptures in which we tend to offer as justification to support a sense of self rightousness.
    Agree.

  34. #120
    It's not that I want to ignore Sola, I'd rather give him a mercy post in hope that he'll see the light. I have a hard time giving up on people. I don't know if that's a blessing or a curse. It feels like a curse more often than not to tell you the truth because it seems as though 9 times out of 10, people just don't get it. It's frustrating to the point of yankin out the hair sometimes.
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