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    Where would you buy real estate?

    If you had a little money to invest, would you purchase property in the U.S., or somewhere overseas?

    We were looking to purchase a little place to rent out, but the more I think about Obamacare, the more terrified I am to do so. The Admin. is hiring countless more IRS agents for jurisdiction over Obamacare and to enforce forced premium payments. If you don't purchase Obamacare, you are then fined. If you don't pay the fine, the IRS will take a lien on your real property or sell your property off. I don't think any property owner is safe in the U.S. between the IRS, Fannie Mae and the banksters. There is such a huge land grab in this country now, including foreclosures on people without a mortgage at all. Now, pay Obamacare premiums or fine for no coverage?

    Is there a state that is a safe haven in the US? Or would it be better to look somewhere like equador, panama, Belize?



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    The Bush family bought in Uruguay, iirc.

    The problem with South America is that they have even less property rights than we do. The government wants your land, they'll take it. That holds true anywhere, it seems.
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    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    But does it make sense to buy anything in the USA? Shouldn't we all be renters, instead of buyers? Now long arm of the IRS gonna steal our homes, and auction if we don't pay insurance premiums every month to their health insurance contributor shills.

    I have to advise my son, not to purchase property in the US ... Either banksters steal it, or the Government steals it .... i.e., the United Nations stole it.

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    Rural land in the US that has water and a climate that allows for farming/gardening. The more fertile the better and the further away from large cities the better.

    Buying land in any nation-state has confiscation-risks involved but being located far away from population dense areas makes it less worthy of their time (for the most part).

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    New Hampshire, without a doubt. In fact, my friend just bought a home there and I'm about to move in. I cannot wait. I recommend buying in northern NH. The further north, the better. Near the Canadian border, if possible.
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    My vote goes to country/farmland south of the Mason-Dixon line.

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    Chile is where its at, if your thinking south america but even on a global scale its up there in the freedom rankings and rising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    If you had a little money to invest, would you purchase property in the U.S., or somewhere overseas?

    We were looking to purchase a little place to rent out, but the more I think about Obamacare, the more terrified I am to do so. The Admin. is hiring countless more IRS agents for jurisdiction over Obamacare and to enforce forced premium payments. If you don't purchase Obamacare, you are then fined. If you don't pay the fine, the IRS will take a lien on your real property or sell your property off. I don't think any property owner is safe in the U.S. between the IRS, Fannie Mae and the banksters. There is such a huge land grab in this country now, including foreclosures on people without a mortgage at all. Now, pay Obamacare premiums or fine for no coverage?

    Is there a state that is a safe haven in the US? Or would it be better to look somewhere like equador, panama, Belize?
    As a "foreigner" your rights are usually grossly limited. My wife is from South America and she would not live there for all the tea in China, and she loves tea.

    Most of SA is a lunatic asylum. Venezuela is patently unsafe for natives, much less anyone else and the list goes on. I would rate SA as a big NO. Belize? Verly limited rights as a foreign property owner as I recall. Same in MX. I am pretty sure $#@! holes like Guatemala and Honduras would ultimately prove dangerous. Costa Rica is by far the best in that region and even there the rights of fer'ners are notably limited.

    My father is in Europe now about 16 years and is champing at the bit to come back to the USA. Europe is a stooge hole for compliant socialistic sorts, all apologies to my cousins. My one set live in Berne and are high faluttin' doctors. They are loaded and do very well as do their children. My others are in Germany and are doing similarly well. They are all so acclimated to the Euro-slavery system they don't chafe at all against the manacles and I don't even bring it up with them. The point is that the continent of Europe is lost, at least for the foreseeable future, so that is a big red X.

    Africa is a disaster area and there are many nations where whites are simply not safe. In Northern Africa the same may be said of non-Muslims. Red X.

    Need we even talk about Asia?

    Australia?

    There's always Antartcica... oh wait... never mind.
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    You people talking about buying property in foreign counties don't get it. The top expert on the subject recommends buying in the US. Check it out. http://www.joelskousen.com/strategic.html Well, that's my opinion, anyway. I could be wrong but I agree with Joel that northern Northern New England is a great place to buy land. I also agree with him that rural ID is a good place but that area is way to isolated for me. I've visited it and will visit it again but living in the middle of no where isn't for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    But does it make sense to buy anything in the USA? Shouldn't we all be renters, instead of buyers? Now long arm of the IRS gonna steal our homes, and auction if we don't pay insurance premiums every month to their health insurance contributor shills.

    I have to advise my son, not to purchase property in the US ... Either banksters steal it, or the Government steals it .... i.e., the United Nations stole it.

    We are all glorified renters when you get right down to it. Don't pay property taxes, in the U.S., and see what happens.

    I would buy a modest piece of rural land where more liberty-minded people live.

    You should buy the book, Strategic Relocation by Joel Skousen. Excellent information in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    We are all glorified renters when you get right down to it. Don't pay property taxes, in the U.S., and see what happens.

    I would buy a modest piece of rural land where more liberty-minded people live.

    You should buy the book, Strategic Relocation by Joel Skousen. Excellent information in there.
    Excellent book. Excellent documentary. I like that Joel recommends northern New Hampshire. And why wouldn't he? It along with parts of Alaska are the only places in the US without income, sales or property taxes that I know of. But then again, there really isn't much of a government there either so there is no reason for taxes.
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    Wasn't there a county in Idaho that went Ron Paul in the primaries?

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    Rural U.S. If you think we have it bad, the rest of the world is terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    Wasn't there a county in Idaho that went Ron Paul in the primaries?
    It looks like he won 6 of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...#County_totals
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    Northern , rural Idaho , Southern Indiana , rural Kentucky , North Central Montana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    Rural land in the US that has water and a climate that allows for farming/gardening. The more fertile the better and the further away from large cities the better.

    Buying land in any nation-state has confiscation-risks involved but being located far away from population dense areas makes it less worthy of their time (for the most part).
    I agree, you could rent the property out as a hunting lease in the mean time if you're looking for an income generator. Logging woods are another income potential.

    I would simultaneously be building a SHTF homestead on it though. My wife and I are working on our homesteading skills now...wish we had the money to invest in land though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    But does it make sense to buy anything in the USA? Shouldn't we all be renters, instead of buyers? Now long arm of the IRS gonna steal our homes, and auction if we don't pay insurance premiums every month to their health insurance contributor shills.

    I have to advise my son, not to purchase property in the US ... Either banksters steal it, or the Government steals it .... i.e., the United Nations stole it.
    I really don't think this fear is justified. I've heard of maybe one story where a person who didn't have a mortgage was foreclosed on, but that was a big deal. They fought the banks, and I'm not sure what happened to them, but it's not like that's happening regularly. Renting is way more expensive than owning, and you have way less freedom. It still holds true, that if you can't pay the rent, you own nothing. Then you just wasted tons of money paying way more than any mortgage and not building any equity. If the IRS tries to steal my home, they can come for it like they would come for my guns, and just the same, I'll be waiting for them. Unfortunately, you can't get out of taxes and Obamacare, but that doesn't mean you should never strive to own property, which gives you so much more freedom than if you were a renter. The banks and government won't steal it unless you can't pay, at least that's not going just start happening out of the blue in the near future. Owning land is still a way better option than renting because land isn't something you use once or twice and then stop. Land is something you want to keep, and renting it just serves to drain you of money and resources while getting nothing in return except a temporary place to lay your head. After you lose that place, though, how much good is that going to do you? If you ever can't pay the rent, you're going to wish you owned the land because it's way cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    If you had a little money to invest, would you purchase property in the U.S., or somewhere overseas?
    No and no. But...

    A) Avoid HOAs, the bigger they are monthly fee wise, the more they should be avoided

    B) As an "investment"... what is the plan? Buy and hold or rent it out. Being a landlord (IMO) SUCKS (my situation is an old house that wouldn't sell so it is rented out and ... it is not that bad but not something I'm making money at - not an investment but loss mitigation - or would want to do while working full time).

    C) Have you considered REITs? Why get involved in management if it is an investment.

    D) Is it farm or hunting land you can rent out and the bug out to years from now??? That could be interesting.

    As to the taxes, they will go up. So will water/garbage/sewage and of course electricity/gas (most all of which have high fixed monthly fees in addition to per unit rates).

    Remember what Reagan said and consider which side you will be on:

    If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. ~Ronald Reagan
    Land doesn't move much but I fear none of us is important enough to get subsidized. TPTB will either dramatically raise taxes/fees or dramatically cut spending or dramatically inflate the currency (which may not affect land prices in lockstep). Work is increasingly illegal to do. Obamacare doesn't help anybody who wants to start a business here. I'm not "down" on American manufacturing, but it is at such a labor disadvantage. Those who can't get jobs are increasingly going to be unemployable or will work in the grey/black markets. Grey markets are harder to tax. Land/housing is easier to tax.

    We will have larger and successive generations of teenagers that didn't work as teens, are underskilled, and were poorly educated. If the bottom rungs are not freed (wars on XYZ, patents, regulations, wage minimums, taxes), it won't ever make sense to employee them.

    What if the most likely profitable investment were prison land and surrounding areas for guards or FEMA camp counselors (like Zippy)? Woud that be appealing? It seems to be where we are headed.

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    The midwest. Eastern and Western markets tend to spew less cash flow, meaning you'll have to bank on appreciation. Double digit cap rates or bust.

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    Major, non leftist metropolitan cities/states. NYC and LA big no. Hartford, CT - much better. Detroit - no. Florida is good - plenty of vegetables/fruits being grown everywhere, and they like their guns. Miami stay away of course. Orlando is iffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    But does it make sense to buy anything in the USA? Shouldn't we all be renters, instead of buyers? Now long arm of the IRS gonna steal our homes, and auction if we don't pay insurance premiums every month to their health insurance contributor shills..
    In Michigan, your primary residence is exempted from means testing. So as long as you don't have any money in the bank, or hold title to an expensive car, you will qualify for MedicAid.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    I have concluded Idaho is the best location for a whole host of reasons, and surrounding states such as Wyoming, Utah, Montana, and the Dakotas are prime choices as well.



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