It Can't Happen Here!

[ClydeCoulter]

I wonder if someone could give an over view of the video for those of is who do not have enough band width to wstch it.

It's probably worth downloading and then watching it.

It's kind of hard to give a scaled down version in writing. He talks almost non stop with pictures and quotes (he pauses for a moment for you to read the quotes, sometimes) for 1.5 hours.
It is laid out very well, and leads from one point to the other in a fluid fashion.

[Falcon63]

Lol. Gotta love trolls.

Please elaborate.

[Zippyjuan]

Alex Jones doesn't directly lie- that would be too easy to challenge and more difficult to sell. What he does do is take verifyable facts and put them together in his own manner to give his own personal spin on them to support his world view. "you can look this up for yourself on the internet!"

"Now we saw something terrifying today. At the Newark Airport in New Jersey we spotted a top secret secure area near the perimeter fence. This is going to be a new quarantine facillity for Homeland Security to start rounding up people and sticking them in." This is my version of a story I have heard him use in the past. The "top secret Homeland Security facility" turns out to be something like a new storage area for parts. Verifyable facts (the locked facility) but his own conclusion as to what it meant. Since some is true, the rest must all be true as well. Even if it isn't.

[John F Kennedy III]

Please elaborate.

You have demonstrated a shocking level of ignorance. To the point where I believe you are trolling. It's either that or you refuse to educate yourself on the subject you are talking about. Either stop trolling and find something less entertainingly pathetic to do with your time or go do some research, take notes, and research some more.

[Falcon63]

You have demonstrated a shocking level of ignorance. To the point where I believe you are trolling. It's either that or you refuse to educate yourself on the subject you are talking about. Either stop trolling and find something less entertainingly pathetic to do with your time or go do some research, take notes, and research some more.

What was ignorant about my post? Does Alex Jones not believe that one group of power elites controls every major event? I can cite numerous examples. Please test me.

[Zippyjuan]

Can anyone help me out tracking down this quote from the vid..."Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."-Janet Reno

I can't find a rock solid sorce yet.

Was this the quote:

"The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace."

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html

This supposed "quote" first got national attention when it appeared in the April 1995 issue of Soldier of Fortune, as part of an article by Mike Williams entitled "Citizen Militias: '...Necessary to the Security of a Free State...' " and was picked up by the New York Times Syndicate as part of their coverage of the militia movement in the wake of the bombing in Oklahoma City.
According to editorials by Martin Dyckman, published in the St. Petersburg Times May 2 and May 28, 1995, the "quote" appears to have originated with an affidavit written by Fred Diamond of Miami, FL who claimed to have heard Reno speak in Coral Gables (not Fort Lauderdale) "on or about November 1, 1984". According to Diamond's affidavit, "Janet Reno told the members of our group assembled, that waiting periods were only a step, that registration was only a step, and further that the prohibition of the private ownership of firearms was the only ultimate solution to controlling crime. I was shocked and appalled to hear her, an elected public official sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution, espouse and advocate a position that would effectively repeal the guarantees of the Second Amendment."

Early in 1993, after Reno was nominated to be Attorney General, Diamond talked to Marion Hammer, then the National Rifle Association's Florida lobbyist, and NRA sent him affidavits to sign. Diamond says he rejected their first draft. Subsequently, Hammer's newsletter, Florida Firing Line, published an article on Reno in March 1993, including almost word for word the key passage from Diamond's affidavit about what Reno allegedly said, but the newsletter put the speech in 1991, not 1984. Diamond didn't sign the affidavit (with the correct year) until June 17, 1993, after Reno had already been confirmed.

Reno has been questioned about the "quote" and denies having said it, either in 1991 or 1984. A spokesman for the Justice Department, Bert Brandenburg, told the New York Times syndicate: "The assertion is untrue and the attorney general has never made such a statement" (Cleveland Plain Dealer, May 2, 1995). The Reno "quote" has appeared in print elsewhere, including National Review on May 29, 1995 as part of an article by Alan W. Bock about the militia movement; and was reprinted in a Guns and Ammo editorial by Ed Moats on concealed carry in October of 1996.

Or this quote allegedly made on Good Morning America on December 10, 1993?

"Gun registration is not enough."
--U.S.Attorney General, Janet Reno on "Good morning America," 12/10/93

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201...ON01/703149947

Was she on that day? Doesn't seem so. It featured Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0590392/..._ov_st_sm#cast Want a YouTube to prove it?



Found listing for the show: http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode/good-mo...untitled.3278/

Episode guide

Description:
"Court TV" grows in popularity; on the set of "Lois & Clark"; Kathy Najimy ("Sister Act 2"); dressing for holiday parties; holiday make-over; tree-trimming.

Original air date: Friday, December 10, 1993 on ABC

Nope- wasn't even on the show that day so she couldn't have said it. Certainly not there and then.

[CyberTootie]

Awesome video. Would probably have the same kind of effect Zeitgeist did when I first saw that if I didn't already know what's going on.

[John F Kennedy III]

What was ignorant about my post? Does Alex Jones not believe that one group of power elites controls every major event? I can cite numerous examples. Please test me.

If you're going to do something do this: Prove every single thing you have said about Alex Jones in this thread true.

[Falcon63]

If you're going to do something do this: Prove every single thing you have said about Alex Jones in this thread true.

Prove that he has said some ridiculous things?

Okay, here's one example:

"I know what tyranny means, I know the bankers are putting poison in our food and water."
-Alex Jones
Really? There's flouride in the water, therefore, the big bad bankers must be trying to poison all those who oppose them.

[JK/SEA]

bump for falcon 63....because he/she is 'special'...

[green73]

Prove that he has said some ridiculous things?

Okay, here's one example:

"I know what tyranny means, I know the bankers are putting poison in our food and water."
-Alex Jones
Really? There's flouride in the water, therefore, the big bad bankers must be trying to poison all those who oppose them.

Have you ever had an IQ test? I bet you'd shatter it.

[tod evans]

Have you ever had an IQ test? I bet you'd shatter it.

A while back he claimed to play college foobawl and lift weights...

I was duly impressed..

[whippoorwill]

Hmmmm.....I want to hunt this down. Thanks for your time. BTW that show runs for more than 5mins. :-)

Was this the quote:


http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html



Or this quote allegedly made on Good Morning America on December 10, 1993?


http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201...ON01/703149947

Was she on that day? Doesn't seem so. It featured Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0590392/..._ov_st_sm#cast Want a YouTube to prove it?



Found listing for the show: http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode/good-mo...untitled.3278/



Nope- wasn't even on the show that day so she couldn't have said it. Certainly not there and then.

[Falcon63]

bump for falcon 63....because he/she is 'special'...

Thanks, man. I knew you'd come around.

[JK/SEA]

Thanks, man. I knew you'd come around.

no problem..man...i like trolls. Makes life worth living.

[jmdrake]

Like the NWO/Bilderberg/Unified Conspiracy Theory?

You're a verifiable idiot.

Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

You may have heard of the Libor scandal, in which at least three – and perhaps as many as 16 – of the name-brand too-big-to-fail banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that's trillion, with a "t") worth of financial instruments. When that sprawling con burst into public view last year, it was easily the biggest financial scandal in history – MIT professor Andrew Lo even said it "dwarfs by orders of magnitude any financial scam in the history of markets."

That was bad enough, but now Libor may have a twin brother. Word has leaked out that the London-based firm ICAP, the world's largest broker of interest-rate swaps, is being investigated by American authorities for behavior that sounds eerily reminiscent of the Libor mess. Regulators are looking into whether or not a small group of brokers at ICAP may have worked with up to 15 of the world's largest banks to manipulate ISDAfix, a benchmark number used around the world to calculate the prices of interest-rate swaps.

Interest-rate swaps are a tool used by big cities, major corporations and sovereign governments to manage their debt, and the scale of their use is almost unimaginably massive. It's about a $379 trillion market, meaning that any manipulation would affect a pile of assets about 100 times the size of the United States federal budget.

It should surprise no one that among the players implicated in this scheme to fix the prices of interest-rate swaps are the same megabanks – including Barclays, UBS, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and the Royal Bank of Scotland – that serve on the Libor panel that sets global interest rates. In fact, in recent years many of these banks have already paid multimillion-dollar settlements for anti-competitive manipulation of one form or another (in addition to Libor, some were caught up in an anti-competitive scheme, detailed in Rolling Stone last year, to rig municipal-debt service auctions). Though the jumble of financial acronyms sounds like gibberish to the layperson, the fact that there may now be price-fixing scandals involving both Libor and ISDAfix suggests a single, giant mushrooming conspiracy of collusion and price-fixing hovering under the ostensibly competitive veneer of Wall Street culture.

The Scam Wall Street Learned From the Mafia

Why? Because Libor already affects the prices of interest-rate swaps, making this a manipulation-on-manipulation situation. If the allegations prove to be right, that will mean that swap customers have been paying for two different layers of price-fixing corruption. If you can imagine paying 20 bucks for a crappy PB&J because some evil cabal of agribusiness companies colluded to fix the prices of both peanuts and peanut butter, you come close to grasping the lunacy of financial markets where both interest rates and interest-rate swaps are being manipulated at the same time, often by the same banks.

"It's a double conspiracy," says an amazed Michael Greenberger, a former director of the trading and markets division at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and now a professor at the University of Maryland. "It's the height of criminality."

The bad news didn't stop with swaps and interest rates. In March, it also came out that two regulators – the CFTC here in the U.S. and the Madrid-based International Organization of Securities Commissions – were spurred by the Libor revelations to investigate the possibility of collusive manipulation of gold and silver prices. "Given the clubby manipulation efforts we saw in Libor benchmarks, I assume other benchmarks – many other benchmarks – are legit areas of inquiry," CFTC Commissioner Bart Chilton said.

But the biggest shock came out of a federal courtroom at the end of March – though if you follow these matters closely, it may not have been so shocking at all – when a landmark class-action civil lawsuit against the banks for Libor-related offenses was dismissed. In that case, a federal judge accepted the banker-defendants' incredible argument: If cities and towns and other investors lost money because of Libor manipulation, that was their own fault for ever thinking the banks were competing in the first place.

"A farce," was one antitrust lawyer's response to the eyebrow-raising dismissal.

"Incredible," says Sylvia Sokol, an attorney for Constantine Cannon, a firm that specializes in antitrust cases.

All of these stories collectively pointed to the same thing: These banks, which already possess enormous power just by virtue of their financial holdings – in the United States, the top six banks, many of them the same names you see on the Libor and ISDAfix panels, own assets equivalent to 60 percent of the nation's GDP – are beginning to realize the awesome possibilities for increased profit and political might that would come with colluding instead of competing. Moreover, it's increasingly clear that both the criminal justice system and the civil courts may be impotent to stop them, even when they do get caught working together to game the system.

If true, that would leave us living in an era of undisguised, real-world conspiracy, in which the prices of currencies, commodities like gold and silver, even interest rates and the value of money itself, can be and may already have been dictated from above. And those who are doing it can get away with it. Forget the Illuminati – this is the real thing, and it's no secret. You can stare right at it, anytime you want.


Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...#ixzz2THkoKthH
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

[jmdrake]

Alex Jones doesn't directly lie- that would be too easy to challenge and more difficult to sell. What he does do is take verifyable facts and put them together in his own manner to give his own personal spin on them to support his world view. "you can look this up for yourself on the internet!"

"Now we saw something terrifying today. At the Newark Airport in New Jersey we spotted a top secret secure area near the perimeter fence. This is going to be a new quarantine facillity for Homeland Security to start rounding up people and sticking them in." This is my version of a story I have heard him use in the past. The "top secret Homeland Security facility" turns out to be something like a new storage area for parts. Verifyable facts (the locked facility) but his own conclusion as to what it meant. Since some is true, the rest must all be true as well. Even if it isn't.

And what you do is spin, obfuscate, and throw around irrelevant facts to hide the obvious. Like somehow it doesn't matter that the uncle of the Boston bomber helped start an organization linked to terrorism with a registration address belonging to a former CIA operative somehow doesn't matter because he wasn't the CEO.

Connections are their if you want to look for them. And sometimes Alex Jones isn't even the source.

I challenge you to watch this.

[jmdrake]

Prove that he has said some ridiculous things?

Okay, here's one example:

"I know what tyranny means, I know the bankers are putting poison in our food and water."
-Alex Jones
Really? There's flouride in the water, therefore, the big bad bankers must be trying to poison all those who oppose them.

Facts.

1) The EPA, FDA and poison control centers all admit that flouride is a poison.

2) The EPA level recently admitted current flouride levels in water are toxic.

3) Flouride is added to most water supplies.

Now, here's the conjecture that you added (not Alex Jones) which is that the "bankers must be trying to poison all those who oppose them." Well it's in everyone's water supply so clearly it's not that specifically directed. Why is it in there? Could be for "the public good." If you believe that, bully for you! Could be for greed. (Highly likely). Could be to set the precedent of "medicating" the water supply. Could be some other reason.

[John F Kennedy III]

Prove that he has said some ridiculous things?

Okay, here's one example:

"I know what tyranny means, I know the bankers are putting poison in our food and water."
-Alex Jones
Really? There's flouride in the water, therefore, the big bad bankers must be trying to poison all those who oppose them.

If you're going to reply to me don't take the easy way out. Prove each thing you said to be true. From each post you mentioned AJ.

[Falcon63]

If you're going to reply to me don't take the easy way out. Prove each thing you said to be true. From each post you mentioned AJ.

How can you "prove" that someone makes ridiculous claims? That is subjective, it is impossible to prove. But, generally, most people have a similar idea of what constitutes a "ridiculous" claim.

Being so paranoid that you think that every single bad event or every single cough or sneeze you have is the big bad bankers and police officers forcing their own agenda is crazy and ridiculous. Is there corruption? Are their huge schemes used to push agendas? Obviously. But not EVERY SINGLE ATTACK or EVERY SINGLE MAJOR EVENT is a false-flag or some corruption-filled scandal.

He's been right about many of his theories because he has some ridiculous theory on EVERYTHING.

[jmdrake]

How can you "prove" that someone makes ridiculous claims? That is subjective, it is impossible to prove. But, generally, most people have a similar idea of what constitutes a "ridiculous" claim.

Being so paranoid that you think that every single bad event or every single cough or sneeze you have is the big bad bankers and police officers forcing their own agenda is crazy and ridiculous. Is there corruption? Are their huge schemes used to push agendas? Obviously. But not EVERY SINGLE ATTACK or EVERY SINGLE MAJOR EVENT is a false-flag or some corruption-filled scandal.

He's been right about many of his theories because he has some ridiculous theory on EVERYTHING.

Okay. Please explain why you think talk about Bilderberg and the NWO is "crazy" when...

1) Ron Paul talked about it.

2) Rand Paul talked about it.

3) It's no secret at this point.

4) Even magazines like Rolling Stone are publishing stories about a global banking conspiracy even if they don't give it a specific "name".

You may disagree, but it's crazy at this point to call the theory "crazy". That doesn't mean every single thing is "controlled", but enough is to make the stuff that's not largely irrelevant.

[Falcon63]

Okay. Please explain why you think talk about Bilderberg and the NWO is "crazy" when...

1) Ron Paul talked about it.

2) Rand Paul talked about it.

3) It's no secret at this point.

4) Even magazines like Rolling Stone are publishing stories about a global banking conspiracy even if they don't give it a specific "name".

You may disagree, but it's crazy at this point to call the theory "crazy". That doesn't mean every single thing is "controlled", but enough is to make the stuff that's not largely irrelevant.

I never said talk about the Bilderburg Group is crazy, but I think it's crazy to think that they have some secret agenda to control the world and keep the "peasants" down.

It's not so much him mentioning such groups that bothers me, it's his jump to conclusions. Like right after the Boston bombings. Before ANYTHING came out, he claimed it was a false-flag. Could it have been? Yeah, maybe. But he often makes assumptions.

Another example was that video of a bunch of DHS trains with tanks on them (or something along those lines) going through a town. He was quick to claim that the DHS is being trained to fire on American civilians and that they'll soon start killing us all. He's crazy.

[John F Kennedy III]

How can you "prove" that someone makes ridiculous claims? That is subjective, it is impossible to prove. But, generally, most people have a similar idea of what constitutes a "ridiculous" claim.

Being so paranoid that you think that every single bad event or every single cough or sneeze you have is the big bad bankers and police officers forcing their own agenda is crazy and ridiculous. Is there corruption? Are their huge schemes used to push agendas? Obviously. But not EVERY SINGLE ATTACK or EVERY SINGLE MAJOR EVENT is a false-flag or some corruption-filled scandal.

He's been right about many of his theories because he has some ridiculous theory on EVERYTHING.

Lol and you're the one that challenged me to test you. You're a troll and you know nothing of the subject of which you speak. Have a nice day.

[jmdrake]

I never said talk about the Bilderburg Group is crazy, but I think it's crazy to think that they have some secret agenda to control the world and keep the "peasants" down.

And the Rolling Stone commodity price fixing article means what to you exactly? And the Bill Joy - Wired Magazine article "Why the future doesn't need us?"

It's not so much him mentioning such groups that bothers me, it's his jump to conclusions. Like right after the Boston bombings. Before ANYTHING came out, he claimed it was a false-flag. Could it have been? Yeah, maybe. But he often makes assumptions.

Correction. He speculated that it might be a false flag. He didn't go full bore "false flag" until evidence came out about people being told "This is a drill". And CNN speculated it was a "right wing terrorist". Which is really more "crazy"?

Another example was that video of a bunch of DHS trains with tanks on them (or something along those lines) going through a town. He was quick to claim that the DHS is being trained to fire on American civilians and that they'll soon start killing us all. He's crazy.

It is undeniable that the DHS is buying massive amounts of ammo. It's also undeniable that they were buying "non conventional targets" before someone blew the whistle on that. So you're crazy for calling that "crazy". What do you the the DHS was buying those cardboard cut outs for training?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/company-s...lion-from-dhs/

[John F Kennedy III]

Looks like Falcon tapped out...

[JK/SEA]

still lurking...watch your back...