Made in America

[RonPaulIsGreat]

I can't in good conscience go out of my way to support a country that would elect Obama twice, and push obamacare on everyone and bail out bankers. I hold no loyalty to the american worker. I am "stateless".

I would support businesses that were anti-socialism, anti-war, etc.... whether they were in the US, or somalia.

[Anti Federalist]

Helmuth...

Go rebuild a 3516 CAT engine with Chinese hand tools and chainfalls.

Then go and do it with US made tools.

Report your results.

I'll wait.

[Anti Federalist]

Helmuth...

Go rebuild a 3516 CAT engine with Chinese hand tools and chainfalls.

Then go and do it with US made tools.

Report your results.

I'll wait.

[specsaregood]

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[Anti Federalist]

You took great offense at me mocking the "pro China" contingent here (the Chinese government seeming to do a pretty good job of stomping a mud hole in the ass of free trade Hong Kong), when I called them "communists" IIRC.

Why are you doing the same thing?

LOL! U-S-A! U-S-A!

Try opening up the cover, specs. Go ahead, I'll wait.

What is that you see? What does that label on that motor say? How about the pump?

Eek! Anathema! Quick, where's your garlic?

Now open the control panel and check out that printed circuit board.

Aack! Back, demon silicon!

Look up the model numbers of all the electronic components and learn about their genesis.

Good thing you're always wearing your anti-furrin silver cross.

Shoot, where do you think the rubber hose came from? The threaded adjustable feet? Even the enameled steel panels for that matter?

This machine was most certainly not "Made in America" in any way that I would call particularly meaningful. Your Delusions May Vary.

[specsaregood]

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[Anti Federalist]

Yes, we all have our own definition in the term. The fact that it is designed, engineered and assembled in the U.S.A. puts it ahead of much/all of the competition. I'm not a proponent of letting perfect being the enemy of the good. It works for me; and yet for some reason you seem to have a problem with it. Last I checked, my consumer preferences aren't impinging any of your rights.

I guess, to the mind of a one world globalist, anybody who makes informed consumer choices that best serve both themselves and the people around them, you are nothing more than this:

[helmuth_hubener]

and yet for some reason you seem to have a problem with it.

Nope, I have no problem with it! I simply state truth, dropping nuggets where I feel moved upon to do so. My statement that only a delusional or ignorant person would believe that his modern washing machine was being made in quantity in the USA was a perfect model of accuracy. Reality is very, very, very far removed from that loony belief. Thus, only ignorance or delusion could cause one to hold such a preposterous belief.

I don't want you to be upset by the truth, though, specs. I just post it for enlightenment. Please feel free to plug your ears.

[specsaregood]

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[helmuth_hubener]

You took great offense at me mocking the "pro China" contingent here.

Oh no, I did not take any offense whatsoever, and what's more there was no mocking involved. Any mocking I probably would have found amusing and taken in whatever good spirit they were offered! You very somberly and fully seriously (and angrily) accused me of shouting hosannas to communism, celebrating communism, and in fact being a worshiper of communism. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5534848

You also refused to ever retract these claims about me:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5540152

So, we learned something new: you, AF, are none too scrupulous about the claims you make about other people. You will refuse to retract false statements and personal attacks, even when the attackee has brought it to your attention that they are false. In this case: I do not shout hosannas to communism, I do not celebrate communism, and I am not a worshiper of communism. That truth doesn't matter to you. You refuse to acknowledge it. You ignore it and let stand your false allegations. I do not take offense at this character failing. I simply make a note of it.

Why are you doing the same thing?

Perhaps you do not understand what the words "same thing" mean. I am not the one to explain it to you. See a language therapist.

[helmuth_hubener]

Only an arrogant fool with a brainwashed ego would think you made available any information that was previously unknown to anybody in this thread.

Oh! The arrows!

It is so regretful that to see you reduced to lobbing empty insults. You're better than that.

[specsaregood]

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[FloralScent]

Oh! The arrows!

It is so regretful that to see you reduced to lobbing empty insults. You're better than that.

Reality is very, very, very far removed from that loony belief. Thus, only ignorance or delusion could cause one to hold such a preposterous belief.

You started it.

[helmuth_hubener]

You started it.

Very smart people sometimes have loony beliefs. Sometimes those loony beliefs actually end up being part and parcel of their brilliance: the looniness ends up being right! I know nothing about specs. I just think that the belief in pure American-made washing machines is clearly wrong.

Specs has clarified that he does not hold any such loony belief. And that's bully! He has further speculated that he thinks I knew all along that he didn't, and once again, he is completely right, of course.

[Anti Federalist]

So, we learned something new: you, AF, are none too scrupulous about the claims you make about other people. You will refuse to retract false statements and personal attacks, even when the attackee has brought it to your attention that they are false. In this case: I do not shout hosannas to communism, I do not celebrate communism, and I am not a worshiper of communism. That truth doesn't matter to you. You refuse to acknowledge it. You ignore it and let stand your false allegations. I do not take offense at this character failing. I simply make a note of it.

You have, on numerous occasions, stated your praise and admiration and support for China.

China is now doing it's level best to squash perhaps the only true "free trade" zone on the face of the earth.

Why do you hate free trade?

Why do you mock and scorn people making free market decisions?

You hate freedom.

I stand by what I said.

[phill4paul]

As I've said before, "Made in America" can be HIGHLY deceiving!

Only a small percentage of a product's assembly need be done in the US for such a label to be legally true. For example, you can import wheel chairs, and simply put handles and feet rests on it, and it is now "Made in America". I understand the passion, but don't let it blind you to international standards for manufacturing and sales.

Truth....read the small print. Briggs and Stratton...

[tod evans]

Once again I cut some American grown and harvested hardwood on an Italian made saw using American made and brazed carbide on a Jewish made plate, Then I cut some Russian made plywood using the same tooling and fastened the pieces together using American made glue and clamped it together using American made clamps that were made out of American made steel last century..

The piece I'm working on is going to an American who earned his wealth selling American timber, he's married to a gal who made her money farming American dirt with American equipment.....

Yet here I am pissed that the foundries that built this country are gone, the really beautiful wood that's harvested today is shipped "overseas" to the nations that have picked up the global manufacturing slack..

But by God my countrymen can buy their cheap $#@! with funny money...

[Anti Federalist]

The arguments of the one world economy crowd sound an awful lot like those of the Westboro Baptist Church.

[helmuth_hubener]

You have, on numerous occasions, stated your praise and admiration and support for China.

Why don't you find a single quote of me stating such things? I don't think you can. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. It's OK. It happens. It's easy to get people mixed up on internet forums.

China is now doing it's level best to squash perhaps the only true "free trade" zone on the face of the earth.

Hmm, perhaps. Of course, I wonder: do you know anything about it? Are you qualified to have an opinion? Have you ever lived in Hong Kong? Hmm, I'll keep my own counsel as to what I think is going on in Hong Kong, thank you very much. If I want to know about New Hampshire, I will value your opinion and consider it valid.

Why do you hate free trade?

I do not. Why don't you find a single quote of me stating such a thing? I don't think you can. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. It's OK. It happens. It's easy to get people mixed up on internet forums.

You hate freedom.

I stand by what I said.

So, rather than admit you're wrong you are now doubling down on your assertions that I am a communist-loving communist worshiper and are now in fact adding more lies to them: stating that I personally hate free trade and that I hate freedom.

And that's OK, that's just the way you are! I'm just narrating the play-by-play so no onlookers get lost or confused.

[specsaregood]

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[Inkblots]

http://www.learnliberty.org/content/...-protectionism

It's not protectionism if they voluntarily choose to buy American-made products...

So long as no one is forcing me to "buy American" or trying to force up the price of foreign-made goods I want to purchase, I fail to see why anyone would be concerned about this.

[helmuth_hubener]

Helmuth...

Go rebuild a 3516 CAT engine with Chinese hand tools and chainfalls.

Oh yeah, I'll be really struggling using GearWrench, Craftsman, OTC, etc. They'll probably just fall apart in my hands.

Even Snap-On makes significant amount of stuff in China, and also Spain.

[Southron]

Bought a nice pair of Thorogood shoes recently that were made in the USA.

[tod evans]

Bought a nice pair of Thorogood shoes recently that were made in the USA.

Thanks for the reminder, I had to replace my 4 year old Redwings last month....

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While I'm at it there's USA beef thawing for supper..

[phill4paul]

Thanks for the reminder, I had to replace my 4 year old Redwings last month....

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While I'm at it there's USA beef thawing for supper..

Try the product I posted in post #114. Trust me on this. Great stuff!

[tod evans]

Try the product I posted in post #114. Trust me on this. Great stuff!

I'll try it on my "nice" leather, I'll never give up Huberds Boot Grease for boots/ riding leathers/ ass-gear/ ball gloves etc...

[phill4paul]

I'll try it on my "nice" leather, I'll never give up Huberds Boot Grease for boots/ riding leathers/ ass-gear/ ball gloves etc...

Well, Huberd's seems to be a water proofing formula. I'd probably do a run of Leather Honey to soften it up and then a run of Huberd's for work wear weatherproofing.

[helmuth_hubener]

You have, on numerous occasions, stated your praise and admiration and support for China.

Once again, I call for you to provide support for this accusation. Find just one quote from me. Just one. Thanks.

No, you will not find any such quote. Unfortunately, I regret to predict that you will also not come back to this thread and admit that you can't find any such quote, manfully admitting you were wrong.

I will gladly and enthusiastically write and post positive things about the Chinese people. I will continue to do so. About the Chinese monopoly state? Again: find me a quote. Back up your accusation.

You hate freedom.

I stand by what I said.

Do you really mean this seriously? Should I put this in my signature line?

[specsaregood]

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[specsaregood]

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