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“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Dear specsaregood and all the rest of you,
I'm sorry. I finally get it now.
Yes, reality is that there are certain things that today you can only -- realistically -- make in China. But the temptation is when you understand how things work to be arrogant and think that is how they should work, that is the best way for them to work, and that those who say "no, this is not so great" are just ignorant and backwards and standing impotently, stupidly, -- laughably -- against the inevitable.
That is actually wrong.
I was wrong.
There is a value to America. America is a good thing. Western Civilization is a good thing, and in many ways America is the crowning achievement of Western Civilization, the best and freest civilization mankind has yet built. And to try to support American prosperity is a good thing. To try to support American productivity and industry is a good thing. I get that. To vote with your dollars for the American worker is a noble thing. By doing that you try, even though it may be in just a small way, to do what you can to make it possible for the American way of life to continue. For your kids and grandkids to actually have a chance to find jobs and have families, instead of go on welfare and sleep around randomly and basically give up on any future, because that future has moved to China.
It's worth it to try to save America. It may not be possible, but it is a worthwhile goal. And I am sorry I made fun of you for trying to do so.
And by the way:
Did some work on a deck today. Used these screws. They are the best. Box says Made in the USA or Germany... but hey, that's 50-50 odds at least! As specs says: don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It wasn't that at all. It was realizing that while in theory there are an infinite number of jobs (because there's an infinite amount of human desires, an infinite amount of stuff to be done) in real life people cannot turn on a dime. 50 million people can't go from working in the manufacturing industry to writing computer code overnight.
In real life, there's something to be said for making things. And for America to be great, we should be making things.
I am always trying to learn new things, to challenge my beliefs, and to get closer to the truth. I hope I will never stop -- I certainly don't plan to.
Thanks for putting up with me (kind of! ) in the meantime. For the record, though, I never hated freedom. It still bugs me that you would say that. I am just a complex person with complex ideas in strange combinations that -- I know! -- can make me pretty incomprehensible to most everyone, on all sides of the aisle, and from all walks of life.
I hope to be able to work with you to save freedom; that I can contribute in my own small way to save America.
You see, erowe is an "r" strategist. He does not believe one society is -- or even possibly could be -- better than another. He does not believe any one culture is superior to any other. He does not believe any person is superior to any other person; we're all totally equal. (well, other than in a religious sense where some few elite are "elect" and others aren't, but that's a whole different story. He keeps that in a whole separate, condoned-off mental compartment.)
America is awesome. Literally, as in: awe-inspiring. I do not mean this in the blind, jingoistic sense that bxm constantly skewers so well. I mean that the virtues and values that Americans carved out and stood for are beautiful and very, very good. I am proud of America's history. I am proud of the heritage of the Declaration of Independence, Common Sense, the Bill of Rights, On Civil Disobedience, For a New Liberty, and so much more! We have contributed an unparalleled amount of literary and intellectual wealth to the cause of human liberty. I am proud of the incredible, almost super-human achievements of Thomas Edison, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Charles M. Schwab, Henry Ford, James J. Hill, Steve Jobs, and many others. I am proud of America's shining example of what a free market can do.
You don't like America and don't find it particularly valuable or worth preserving. Fine. Noted. But most of the rest of us do. It's not perfect and never has been. And -- shocker! -- chances are good that no human society ever will be perfect! The solution is not to denigrate and hate on America, but rather to exalt and celebrate the ideals and principles of America. If you must denigrate and hate, hate the betrayals and the corruption that has increasingly moved the reality of America away from its ideals. The solution is not the end and destruction of America -- for example through the third-world invasion you advocate -- it is to make America even more American! It is to get back to our roots, and in fact to improve on them, becoming ever better and ever freer.
And as for
Source? Same as our source for everything: my own senses. My body's ability to bring in sensory data and my mind's ability to interpret that data into information, that information into knowledge, and finally that knowledge into wisdom -- that is my source. Anyone with eyes can see that America is a comparatively good place to live and earn a living and raise a family. Do you have a family, erowe?Source?
None of this is true.
That's not a very good source. How would you be in any position to know what is the best and freest civilization mankind has ever built?
"Comparatively good" is not the same as "best ever."
Yes, I have a family.
Good. Then you're reachable. You will eventually come around, like me. Just wait for it. Keep thinking. Keep learning.
And yet, it's the only one any of us have!That's not a very good source.
And you are raising your children in America, true? Wouldn't it be great to make America better, not worse? Isn't it important to you that America be as good and high-quality as possible?Yes, I have a family.
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http://www.sasshoes.com/
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
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I was surprised to find out that this new grill (also part of the deck project) was actually made in Texas (Arlington, to be specific)!
I didn't know there were any American grill manufacturers left (that actually manufactured in America, I mean).
It's a nice-looking grill, very sleek.
http://www.savorpro.com/
Kalamazoo Grills are made in Kalamazoo, MI. They're a hybrid of gas and wood. High end luxury item.
https://kalamazoogourmet.com
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
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