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    Psychopaths and Libertarians
    Now, is that a synonym? Or an antonym?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrokHead View Post
    Now, is that a synonym? Or an antonym?
    Neither. It's part of the title of the first video.

    Jim Fallon describes himself as both a psychopath (based on genetics, not behaviorally) as well as a libertarian.
    Psychopaths and sociopaths are known specifically for not following the principle of nonviolence. So it would be closer to antonyms but a true antonym to psychopath would be empath.

    Empathy: the capacity to recognize emotions that are being experienced by another being
    Psychopathy: chronic inability to feel guilt, remorse or anxiety about any of their actions. Use violence, manipulation, and intimidation to control others and satisfy selfish needs.

    Since every person's brain is hardwired differently there is no one size fits all answer (policy making) solution to psychopaths that disregard the rights of others. Heck, licensed psychologists and psychiatrists have a difficult time identifying them nevermind attempting to treat them.

    Also many forms of discrimination such as sexism, racism, classism, etc reinforce the idea that some group is less deserving than another or less 'human'. This creates secondary psychopaths or sociopaths that again lose the capacity for empathy with a group.

    And that is the problem. How do you make people care for the rights of others when they lack the capacity for empathy?
    How can their values be shifted to care about the rights of others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genanmer View Post

    And that is the problem. How do you make people care for the rights of others when they lack the capacity for empathy?
    That is what the 2nd amendment is for.

    Quote Originally Posted by genanmer View Post
    How can their values be shifted to care about the rights of others?
    That is what Social engineers try to do. Either by Laws and Propaganda (education),, or by mind control Drugs.

    It is not my intent or desire to control or alter anyone.
    Liberty requires tolerance.
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    Psychopathy: chronic inability to feel guilt, remorse or anxiety about any of their actions. Use violence, manipulation, and intimidation to control others and satisfy selfish needs.

    Self defense and Tolerance are well and good. But manipulating their behavior through fear (of guns) does not address the core problem. It simply creates an incentive for them to amass stronger arms, and weapons. Escalating to the current dependence on a threat of mutual assured destruction through nuclear weapons.

    It's ironic that violence is despised yet it's application is often seen as just.


    I do not have tolerance for those that are actively seeking to violate other people's individual rights even if they haven't been successful yet. But resorting to violence or the threat of violence isn't a long-term solution. It is only a short-term defense.

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    there is psychopaths which follow the laws.. but for those that don't. as long as the large majority of non psychos can have the ability to defend themselves there is not really a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genanmer View Post
    Self defense and Tolerance are well and good. But manipulating their behavior through fear (of guns) does not address the core problem. It simply creates an incentive for them to amass stronger arms, and weapons. Escalating to the current dependence on a threat of mutual assured destruction through nuclear weapons.

    It's ironic that violence is despised yet it's application is often seen as just.


    I do not have tolerance for those that are actively seeking to violate other people's individual rights even if they haven't been successful yet. But resorting to violence or the threat of violence isn't a long-term solution. It is only a short-term defense.
    First,,, What solution do you suggest?

    Secondly,, Who said anything about the Arms Race, Nuclear Arms or M.A.D. ??
    I mentioned Self Defense, and by extension defending society, by the swift elimination of those who are a direct threat.

    And thirdly, you are jumping to the conclusion that this idiot is correct in his assumptions.
    I do not believe he is.

    And Fourth,, Violence is a fact of Nature. Earthquakes, Storms, and energy and food production are all violent.
    It is a simple reality. Deal with it.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    1. Make people knowledgeable about psychopathy. At least 5% of any population are genetically psychopathic. Supposedly it is closer to 10-15% in America right now. This also doesn't include secondary psychopaths or sociopaths that learn to adopt these same traits.

    Without knowledge about them, what may cause secondary psychopathy, who is psychopathic, or how it is significant socially defense against these types are inadequate.

    2. It is the logical conclusion of defending against psychopaths that actively co-opts groups relying on violence as defense but by principle being unable to initiate violence. Again, being able to identify sociopaths/psychopaths is important here in order to prevent these types from co-opting groups gaining influence and power in the first place.

    3. What do you not agree with?

    4. Violence begets more violence. Vendettas are real. I'd think most libertarians dislike government specifically because it monopolizes violence to enforce 'acceptable' behaviors. The destructive violence of nature is balanced by collaboration (parent defending offspring, traveling as a herd or pack, predators not overhunting, etc) otherwise it wouldn't be sustainable. All living things would just kill each other and be done with it.


    There is psychopaths which follow the laws.. but for those that don't. as long as the large majority of non psychos can have the ability to defend themselves there is not really a problem.

    The issue is simply that many people are still unaware of psychopaths so they can manipulate their way to positions of power and then abuse that power. E.g. the arms race and then provoking war. The videos should make it clear that not all of them are serial killers as hollywood depicts. And with power they can use it to further increase their control. (e.g. media, money, weapons)

    The defense is very simple, educate people to be able to identify sociopathic/psychopathic behaviors and deny these types positions of leadership. People that display absolutely no care for humanity, the environment, promote discrimination, etc are likely sociopathic but may be perceived as leaders because of their confidence and poise. Empathy is necessary for society to operate. Without it, there is only social Darwinism with ruthlessness being the strongest trait.

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    psychopath is specific to anti-social behavior. the character dexter defines anti-social very well. he doesn't fell empathy, or emotions. he doesn't relate to other people. in order to fit in, he has to mimic what he perceives as normal behavior. he has to live as a con man. every relationship he establishes is only for self gain, not for mutual gain. and killing anything or anyone is nothing to such a person.

    sounds like i just described the average politician, not a libertarian. picture pelosi, apply the above description.
    when Ron called the psychopathic authoritarians. he was being very literally precise.
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