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    There is a question that needs to be asked of Jeb Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush and Oliver North.

    It is: "Did you murder Barry Seal in February, 1986?"

    Here is blog on this topic: http://barrysealmurder1986jebbusholi...ia-drug_6.html

    George Herbert Walker Bush: “Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
    That is a famous 1992 quote by George Herbert Walker Bush to Sarah McLendon, a Texas journalist who Bush had known for years and who was the grand dame of the White House press corps at the time. McLendon had asked Bush: “What will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?”

    [Author's note: as of 4/5/13 I have been unable to confirm this GHW Bush quote and I no longer consider it valid. It did not appear in Sarah McLendon's political newsletters for June or December 1992, which some people have said it was in. I stand by the rest of the information in this article. - Robert Morrow]

    Bill Clinton to L.D. Brown (in the mid 1980’s) after Brown had excoriated Clinton for setting him up with the CIA’s Barry Seal who had brought back a brick of cocaine after a roundtrip flight from Arkansas to Central America: “That’s [Dan] Lasater’s deal! “That’s Lasater’s deal! And your buddy [VP George Herbert Walker] Bush knows about it!”
    Jeb Bush to intelligence operative Al Martin, who had worked closely with Jeb Bush during the Iran-Contra scandal and was threatening to go public: “There is no constituency for the truth.”
    Ross Perot: “When you look into the [American POW] prisoner cover-up, you find government officials in the drug trade who can’t break themselves of the habit.”
    Ross Perot: “What I have found is a snake pit without a bottom. They will do anything to keep this covered up.”
    Barry Seal was a legendary CIA drug smuggler and ace pilot who had literally worked for the Agency since he was a teenage pilot prodigy in the late 1950’s. By 1986 Barry Seal was having legal problems (criminal and a huge IRS tax liability) that not even his CIA connections could protect him from and according to Seal’s lawyer Lewis Unglesby, Barry Seal was a threat to testify against Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush. In fact, in early 1986 Barry Seal was threatening GHW Bush to get the IRS off his back or he (Seal) was going to blow the whistle on the Contra scheme and CIA drug smuggling.
    Two weeks after his argument with Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush, Barry Seal was pumped full of bullets and murdered outside his Baton Rouge halfway house on Feb. 19, 1986. The three Columbians who were convicted of the crime thought they were working for Lt. Col. Oliver North of the National Security Council. North’s alias in the 1980’s was “John Cathey.” The personal phone number of George Herbert Walker Bush was found in Seal’s possessions, even after the “men in black” had swept in to pick car of the slaughtered CIA drug smuggler clean of evidence. Years later, Texas Gov. George W. Bush was literally being flown around in what had been the favorite plane of Barry Seal.
    Many folks don’t know that on the exact same day (2/19/86) Barry Seal was murdered in Baton Rouge, his mistress “Barbara” was also murdered in Miami; two other men also affiliated with the Medellin drug cartel, Pablo Carrera (Medellin’s #2 man) and Pablo Ochill, were also assassinated in Colombia.
    Some people think the CIA American drug cartel were switching horses from the Medellin drug cartel to a partnership with the Cali, Colombian drug cartel. The three men convicted of murdering Barry Seal were from Cali, Colombia. The CIA American drug cartel was using the Cali cartel in a killing spree to wipe out the competition and murder anyone who might pose a threat to spill the beans on CIA drug smuggling and the participation of very high U.S. officials.
    Jeb Bush in 1986 was the 33-year-old chairman of the Dade County Republican party and he was up to his eyeballs in the Iran-Contra scandal. To get a taste of that read Al Martin’s book The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider (2001) and read about Jeb Bush’s dealings with operatives such as Al Martin, Oliver North, Richard Secord, Dewey Clarridge, Sam Watson, Fred Ikley and, of course, his father George Herbert Walker Bush. Basically Jeb Bush was in the center of a wasp’s nest of dirty dealing CIA/military operatives engaged in rampant criminality – all in the name of “national security.”
    The murder of CIA drug smuggler Barry Seal was just the tip of the iceberg. There was a lot of murdering going on to keep a lid on Iran-Contra in the 1980’s. Some of the big revelations of L.D. Brown’s (Bill Clinton’s favorite state trooper) book Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation (1999) was that Bill Clinton had gotten L.D. Brown into the CIA, that Barry Seal was L.D. Brown’s CIA handler, Barry Seal was running cocaine and that a GHW Bush associate Felix Rodriguez (aka “Max Gomez” his CIA code name) had attempted to get Bill Clinton’s favorite state trooper L.D. Brown to murder a man named Terry Reed in Mexico. Reed was involved in Oliver North CIA Contra operations and Bush was obviously very worried about this man.
    Grisly stuff – and you can see why this material has been suppressed in the MSM because it is so discrediting to the political elites of the Republican & Democratic parties, the Bushes & the Clintons. Now you know why Bill Clinton and GHW Bush are so chummy: they are tied at the hip by some epic liability in Iran-Contra. There is no statute of limitations for murder.
    Terry Reed, who thankfully was not murdered by L.D. Brown who just did not have the stomach or the depravity to do it, later went on to write an extremely important expose Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA (1994). There is a famous scene in that book of Gov. Bill Clinton smoking dope and at the same time trying to convince Terry Reed to move to Mexico for the Contra support operations. I have always wondered if Clinton, by doing that, was setting up Reed to be murdered because he knew too much. Reed certainly busted it wide open with his expose book in 1994.
    Regarding Jeb Bush: just read the material below. And particularly see what Jeb Bush had to say to Al Martin about the murders of George Morales and Johnny Molina. This material has been on the public record for 5-10-20 years. It really is stunning that Jeb Bush with such epic Iran-Contra liability could even be considered for president. It just shows the arrogance of these people – the Bushes and the Clintons – who think that rules are for everyone else, but not for them. As someone said “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.”
    Some examples might be gargantuan drug running, money laundering and murdering people to keep it all covered up. Below there is a lot of material relating to the 1986 murder of CIA drug smuggler Barry Seal as well as CIA/governmental drug smuggling in general. Be sure and check at the end of this article the bibliographies on CIA drug smuggling and one on the dark side of the Bushes.

    Barry Seal and his Argument with VP George Herbert Walker Bush

    [Daniel Hopsicker, "Barry & the Boys: The CIA, The Mob and America's Secret History," pp. 375-376]
    "Lewis Unglesby is today a prominent and very well connected Louisiana lawyer. At the time his name was daily on the front page of the state's newspapers., defending his long-time client and associate, Governor Edwin Edwards.
    Unglesby had told us about a confrontation he had with Barry over the fact that Seal was keeping him in the dark about matters Unglesbly considered crucial to defending him...
    "Barry pushed the phone across the desk to me and said, 'You wanna know what's going on? Here. Dial this number. Tell 'em you're me,' Unglesby related.
    "When I did what he requested," he continued, "A female voice answered the phone, sayin' 'Vice President Bush's office, may I help you?'"
    "I said, 'This is Barry Seal.' She asked me to wait while she transferred the call, which was immediately picked up by a man who identified himself as Admiral somebody or other, who said to me 'Barry, Where you been?'"
    "That's when I told him that I wasn't Barry Seal, I was his lawyer," said Unglesby. "Immediately he slammed down the phone."
    So why was Barry Seal murdered?" we asked Sharpstein.
    "Unglesby said he had been with Seal when the IRS came and seized all his property," Sharpstein related. "The IRS man said, 'You owe us $30 million for the money you made in drug dealing.'
    "Hey, I work for you," was Seal's reply. "We work for the same people."
    "You don't work for us," the IRS agent stated. "We're the IRS."
    "Unglesby was with Seal when he retired to a back room." Sharpstein stated. "He watched as Seal placed a call to George Bush. He heard Barry Seal tell Bush, 'If you don't get these IRS assholes off my back I'm going to blow the whistle on the Contra scheme."
    Sharpstein spoke solemnly, aware of the gravity of his words..., "'That's why he's dead,' is what Unglesby said."
    One week after the phone conversation between Barry Seal and George Bush, Seal was sentenced to a halfway house. Two weeks later he was dead.
    "Barry Seal, you mean that agent that went bad?" Gordon Novel had casually inquired, when we'd posed the question of his associations with Seal.
    An agent that 'goes bad,' as we understand intelligence industry trade jargon, is one who contemplates talking.
    "Seal was gunned down, supposedly by those Colombians," says Sharpstein. "But they were fed information by the assholes in our government who wanted him dead."
    The assassination of Barry Seal was very likely even not the first attempt on Seal's life by North, we were told by CIA electronics expert Red Hall, on the ground in Nicaragua with Seal on the Sandinista drug sting....
    "The only thing I knew was the CIA had a lot to do with it (Barry's murder.) The killers were being directed by Oliver North at the time. It was the same thing Oliver North pulled on us down in Nicaragua."
    "Then, I didn't know yet that Oliver North had it for Barry Seal, because he was working with Oliver at that particular point. We was undercover, and we were still down there (Nicaragua), when Oliver blew the whistle on us."
    Chip Tatum, another covert operative who had known Seal and shared confidences with him, listened with amusement the first time we breathlessly relayed what we'd discovered: that Oliver North is guilty in the assassination of Barry Seal...
    "No shit, Sherlock," he replied, laughing. "It ain't exactly the secret of the century, I can tell you."
    [Daniel Hopsicker, Barry & the Boys: The CIA, The Mob and America's Secret History, pp. 375-376]

    Al Martin’s conversation with Jeb Bush just days after the Feb, 1986 Murder of Barry Seal in Baton Rouge. Jeb Bush had been at a meeting in Sept, 1985, where the assassination of Barry Seal had been discussed

    Al Martin: "In this discussion, I had mentioned the recent assassination, only a few days before, of Barry Seal [Feb, 1986, outside his halfway house in New Orleans].

    I said to Jeb, "Isn't it convenient that Barry Seal was assassinated when he was? And now suddenly all the information and documents he had are gone missing?"

    Jeb had a rather broad smile on his face, and he concurred that it was convenient. He added a little snicker - as he often had a tendency of doing. Also little beads of sweat formed on his forehead, as when he gets nervous. It's something you can notice when he's on television. He still has a tendency to have little beads of sweat around his forehead, when he is either lying about something, or he's nervous about what someone is saying."
    My conversations with Jeb at this meeting were overheard by the two Secret Service agents who were always assigned to Jeb when he was in his office at 1390 Brickell Avenue in Miami.
    I had intimated that if certain parties in Washington were not prepared to come to my aid pursuant to my grand jury testimony, that it would be entirely possible that certain details of a certain meeting occurring in September of the year [Sept., 1985] before might be leaked out to the press.
    Jeb asked me what I was talking about.
    I specifically mentioned a September meeting of the Dade County Latin America Chamber of Commerce, which Jeb chaired, and which, of course, was not used as a Chamber of Commerce meeting at all. It was essentially used as a political meeting for covert operational planning pursuant to Iran-Contra.
    As I've said before, Oliver North, Richard Secord or Dewey Clarridge or, in a few cases, even Sam Watson and Fred Ikley himself, would show up at these meetings.
    Anyway, I had recounted to Jeb, as if he didn't know what the text of that meeting was that he chaired - the conversations he had with Oliver North and Richard Secord and Dewey Clarridge, all of whom attended that meeting.
    Dewey seldom attended the meetings, but this time the four of them were discussing the assassination of Barry Seal and how it was to be carried out, since Barry was becoming an increasing liability.
    I had told Jeb that I had substantial corroboration of that meeting. And I think Jeb understood what I meant.
    It would certainly place him into a conspiracy to assassinate a CIA drug runner for the sake of political expediency.
    When I was through speaking, Jeb became quiet and his demeanor became serious and changed. He became flushed, as he often does when he's frightened.
    Jeb responded by telling me that it would be most unfortunate if I were to do that, since I might wind up like George Morales or Johnny Molina.
    [ Al Martin, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider," p. 194-195]

    Jeb Bush and the Murders of George Morales and Johnny Molina

    [Al Martin, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider," p. 195-198 ]
    What he was referring to, of course, was that, a number of months earlier, George Morales had been set up on a cocaine charge – to distance what Morales was doing from the CIA.
    As any serious student of Iran-Contra would know, Morales absolutely screamed “CIA, CIA.”
    But ultimately he was convicted.
    He was bound and gagged in the courtroom before the Republican Judge Hoover, who allowed him to present no CIA defense. He couldn’t mention any Bush names, or North, or Secord, or anything.
    He got the standard fifteen-year sentence for cocaine trafficking. At the time, in the State of Florida, you had to serve six years nine months mandatory.
    Jeb then went on to mention to me about Morales. He said “Of course, Morales will never leave prison alive.”
    Fast forward to the time when Morales was due to be released from prison in early 1992.
    The day before Morales was to be released, he did, in fact, slip on a bar of soap in the prisoner’s shower and supposedly died as a result of the fall.
    The following day, Morales was due to be picked up at the Miami International Airport by a Congressional charter flight arranged for him by Congressmen Alexander, Rose, Brooks and Gonzalez. He was to be taken to Washington to have a detailed discussion with them and their investigators about his knowledge of Iran-Contra.
    At that moment, the threat Jeb was making to me – the sublime threat about not wanting to wind up like Johnny Molina – really didn’t mean anything to me because I knew as of the day before that Molina was still alive and well.
    I didn’t think anything of it until the next day when I got into my office and opened the Miami Herald.
    I read that Mr. Molina had in fact “committed suicide” that evening in the parking lot of a restaurant in Pensacola, Florida.
    He had “committed suicide” by discharging an entire twenty-round clip of a MAC-10 into his own body.
    Of course, by the following day, the body had quickly been cremated – before his family was notified and before an autopsy could be done.
    It’s the same old story.
    It was interesting to note that Jeb had issued that threat at that meeting which was held at about 10:30 a.m.
    Molina “committed suicide” at about 9:30 p.m. that evening.
    I found the connection rather humorous, but also salient in that Bush knew what was going to happen a number of hours before it actually did.
    A second interesting and humorous story I can relate from that September meeting was not only the discussion of Barry Seal, but the general discussion of narcotics, wherein Jeb was talking to Oliver North.
    Dewey Clarridge and Joe Fernandez were there and Jeb was whining about how they were importing so much cocaine for the purposes of maintaining illicit covert revenue streams that, in fact, they were depressing the street value of the price of cocaine.
    Revenues were in fact diminishing.
    And North chuckled, and said that he had already made arrangements, that he, Dewey, Fred Ikley and Clair George had made arrangements.
    What they were referring to by “arrangements” was the opening of the so-called sea routes to substantially increase the amount of cocaine that was being imported.
    Jeb Bush said to Oliver North, “All you would manage to do is to further the price of cocaine.”
    North’s attitude was, “Well, we’ll simply bring in more and more of the stuff to maintain revenues.”
    As it has been pointed out in the past, CIA-assisted enterprise narcotics trafficking managed to depress the street price of a value of cocaine from $30,000 in early 1985 to $12,000 by mid-1986.
    Later in the conversation, Jeb, wanting to be helpful, threw out a suggestion regarding the separate Guns-For-Drugs Operation being run out of Mena Airport in Arkansas.
    He suggested that North start changing the fraction vis--vis the Contras.
    Instead of one M-16 rifle, 1,000 rounds of ammunition, and the full field kit in exchange for one kilogram of cocaine, Bush suggested that North inform Enrico Bermudez and Eden Pastora that henceforth it was going to be two kilograms of cocaine for the same weapons delivery as it had been in the past.
    North rebuffed this suggestion, reminding Bush that the one M-16 rifle, ammunition and field kit cost them a total of a $1,000 net delivered and the value of the kilogram of cocaine was still $17,000 or $18,000.
    The third and final salient highlight I’d like to point out about that meeting (which was an important and pivotal meeting) is that General Secord had mentioned to Jeb Bush – and I was standing not two feet from him – that some of Jeb’s hangers-on (some of the old Cuban Bay of Pigs crowd that were Jeb Bush hangers-on vis--vis Jeb wearing his hat as a scamscateer and a money launderer) were beginning to have big mouths.
    And Jeb asked, “Who?”
    Secord specifically said it was the infamous Manny Perez, who was a very close ally of Jeb’s and had been for a long time. Perez used to act as a straw at various fraudulent deals for Jeb. He transported cash. He wired money into accounts he controlled through a variety of other straws. He was also very close with Jeb at Eagle National Bank in Miami.
    Jeb asked General Secord what he, Jeb Bush, was supposed to do about it.
    And Dick Secord said, “Well, your father controls your show and he’s got to clean up his own mess.”
    History records it wasn’t long after an article appeared in a certain major newspaper about Manny Perez.
    Evidently Manny’s body was found floating in a canal in West Hialeah, and his death was duly declared a “swimming accident.”
    Perhaps the reader can better understand the phone call I received the day after the November 1998 elections when Jeb Bush won the governorship of the State of Florida.
    On that very same evening, I got a phone call from Neil Lewis in Miami, an attorney who had previously represented both Jeb and me, and who had acted as a conduit for people like me to Jeb and Dick Secord and a variety of others.
    Neil told me that he had a direct message from Jeb stating that if I wished to continue to be a resident of this state and to remain at large and with life that I best not reveal stories such as I have revealed here.
    When Neil relayed the threat to me that evening, I told Neil that when he talked to Jeb the following day (which I knew he would because he wanted to know what my response would be) to tell Jeb that I was aware that my former close colleague, Larry Hamil, prior to the November 1998 elections, had been involved in a political campaign money laundering scheme, wherein Mr. Hamil laundered certain monies of Chinese origin to certain Republicans (not Democrats, but Republican candidates) including the gubernatorial campaign of Jeb Bush.
    Neil laughed and said, “Are you certain you want me to relay that?”
    I said, “Yes,” and I didn’t talk to Neil after that.
    I can only presume Neil did, in fact, relay that message because the next morning when I got out of bed, I was greeted by a view (outside of my bay windows) of two unmarked cars parked directly in front of my townhouse. They were of the sinister variety I’m used to – dark Chevy Caprices, darkened windows, black-wall tires, four or five aerials coming out of the back of them, Washington D.C. plates.
    There was enough sunlight that I could see two men sitting in each vehicle.
    And that’s all they did.
    They simply sat there and looked directly at my unit. They stayed for a few hours in that position and then drove off.
    I had one of my neighbors record the D.C. plates on the car and upon checking them out later in the day, I was informed that no such plates existed.
    But nonetheless, the message was sent.
    [Al Martin, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider," p. 195-198 ]

    Oliver North speaking to Jeb Bush and Dewey Clarridge in the 1980's: "Well, we haven't decided how we will rule his demise yet - whether it will be accident, natural causes, or suicide."


    [Al Martin, The Conspirators: Confessions of an Iran-Contra Insider, p.201]
    "As I am a middle-aged man, I have worked or been involved in illegal covert operation of government all my adult life.
    How many others in my age group can say they have personally known in their adult lifetimes almost 400 people who have died under clouded circumstances?
    The common thread among the deaths of these 400 people was not anything they did - but what they knew.
    I wonder how many others can make the same comment about their lives.
    It's an indication of the type of life I've led.
    Even what I have revealed thus far - it isn't a tenth of what I know. And it is such a task. That's the type of life I've led and what I know. I hope that the flavor of this comes out of what has happened to my friends, those I've known, who became inconvenient to their superiors and who died to maintain the deniability of others.

    The egregious nature of the conspiracy surrounding their death goes to a level that is virtually humorous.
    When Jeb Bush, Oliver North and Dewey Clarridge once spoke about an individual, North laughed and said, "Well, we haven't decided how we will rule his demise yet - whether it will be accident, natural causes, or suicide.""
    [ Al Martin, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider," p. 201]


    Chip Tatum - CIA operative who worked closely with Oliver North in the 1980's: Says Oliver North said GHW Bush was going to have Jeb Bush “arrange something out of Colombia.”

    Google "Chip Tatum Pegasus" and you will learn a lot about CIA drug smuggling and assassinations.

    Mr. North stated the following to the other passengers, "One more year of this and we'll all retire." He then made a remark concerning Barry Seal and Governor Clinton. "If we can keep those Arkansas hicks in line, that is," referring to the loss of monies as determined the week prior during their meeting in Costa Rica. I stood silently by the vat of leaves, listening to the conversation. General Alverez had gone with the Contra leader to discuss logistics. The other three - North, Rodriguez, and Ami Nir - continued through the wooden building, inspecting the cocaine. North continued, "...but he (Vice President Bush) is very concerned about those missing monies. I think he's going to have Jeb (Bush) arrange something out of Columbia," he told his comrades, not thinking twice of my presence. What Mr. North was referring to ended up being the assassination of Barry Seal by members of the Medellin Cartel in early 1986.

    The egregious nature of the conspiracy surrounding their death goes to a level that is virtually humorous.
    When Jeb Bush, Oliver North and Dewey Clarridge once spoke about an individual, North laughed and said, "Well, we haven't decided how we will rule his demise yet - whether it will be accident, natural causes, or suicide.""
    [Al Martin, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider," p. 201]

    DEA agent Cele Castillo knew all about Contra Drug Smuggling at Ilopango Air Base in El Salvador; GHW Bush most certainly did not want to discuss it at a 1986 meeting!

    On January 14 [1986], Vice President George Bush visited Guatemala City to put the U.S. stamp of approval on Cerezo’s inauguration. I met Bush at the obligatory cocktail party at the ambassador’s residence. Embassy personnel and Guatemalan dignitaries elbowed through the crowd, jockeying for floor space near the Vice President. I was standing alone, watching the steel-faced secret service agents watching everyone else, when Bush approached. He read the tag on my lapel identifying me as a member of the U.S. embassy, and asked what I did. As he shook my hand, someone snapped a photo. I told him I was a DEA agent assigned to Guatemala. He said, “Well, what do you do?” I knew it wasn’t wise to bring up the Contras – this man was part of the Administration, and Reagan had even declared himself to be a Contra.
    I just blurted it out. “There’s some funny things going on with the Contras in El Salvador.”
    Bush didn’t reply. He simply smiled and walked away, seeking another hand to shake. After that exchange, I knew that he knew.”

    [Celerino Castillo & Dave Harmon, Powderburns: Cocaine, Contras & the Drug War, p. 132]


    FBI Undercover Agent Darlene Novinger on the involvement of Jeb Bush and Vice President GHW Bush in the drug trade in Florida. Cocaine deliveries to VP office; drug lords providing prostitutes for Jeb Bush & VP GHW Bush

    [Rodney Stich, Drugging America: a Trojan Horse – FBI, CIA and Other Insiders Reveal Greatest Threat to America’s Men and Women From Government’s Fraudulent War-On-Drugs, pp. 425-426 ]

    After testifying in Harrisburg, Darlene returned to her Florida assignment with the South Florida Drug Task Force. Because of her earlier associations with the Smatt brothers, who by now were reportedly major drug smugglers, the FBI suggested that Darlene renew her contacts with them. In December 1982 she called Raymond Smatt in Jamaica, who invited Darlene to his mansion, where she stayed for several weeks. Raymond then suggested that Darlene stay with another brother William, who had a mansion in Miami, where she stayed for several days before going back to Jamaica.

    Claiming Vice President Involved in Drugs

    During one of many conversations with William Smatt at his Jamaica mansion, William started talking about the corrupt nature of the American judicial system and the White House. In one instance he said, “Let’s take, for instance, the vice president and his son, referring to George Bush and his son, Jeb Bush.”
    Darlene asked, “What about them, you mean George Bush and his son; which son?” Smatt responds, “Jeb.”
    Darlene responded, “You mean, Jeb with the Miami Republican party?” “Yes,” he replied. Darlene started explaining what occurred:
    I was in one of the drug lords mansions which I was trained to encounter and infiltrate. I was sitting on a couch and a conversation turned up that would lead to something that would change the rest of my life. I was sitting and talking about justice in the judicial system. Well, these people were not American citizens, but they had strong opinions about the American judicial system, and how it worked, and they wanted to express it to me. I’ll never forget this day. What came out was the following.
    They proceeded to tell me how money is the way to justice. Without it, there is no chance. You’re living in a Disney World to believe otherwise. This is what I was told by them. They proceeded to tell me how they had to pay the Republican Party in Miami. At that time, Jeb Bush was the chairman of the Republican Party in Florida [editor’s note: Jeb was Dade County GOP chairman in the early 1980’s]
    They told me about the visits Vice President George Bush made to their mansion. The story that unfolded was incredible that I thought I had heard everything until this gentleman was done showing me correspondence. His office phone was ringing at this time. Lo and behold, it was the Miami Republican Party calling. He was screaming at them because he said, “I just gave you a couple hundred-thousand dollars and I want this done!”

    Darlene explained how Smatt told her about providing pharmaceutical-grade drugs to aircraft arriving from Washington, DC, which were then flown back to Washington and delivered by courier to the Bush White House. [editor’s note: Office of the Vice Presidency] Smatt told Darlene of the money that he provided to the head of the Republican Party in Florida, and the relationship he had with Florida politicians. He was complaining that they kept asking him for more money. Darlene explained:

    I asked him why he continued to do business with them if he didn’t like them. He said it was very simple. His contributions were going to the vice president and his sons’ interests because he was going to be appointed roving ambassador in the
    Caribbean. Meaning something called the Caribbean Basin initiative, which was to their benefit to get passed because they would make a lot of money, on top of everything else.
    He proceeded to tell me how he and his family, particularly he, furnished prostitutes to Jeb Bush and George Bush when they were in Miami, Florida, and of the use of cocaine by these individuals and George Bush’s staff in Washington, D.C. He proceeded to also tell me about flying pharmaceutical grade cocaine, and how the currier delivered it to the vice president’s office in Washington, D.C.

    Darlene continued to explain what was said:

    At that point I was sitting there with absolutely nothing to say other than, I could not believe it. I then sort of regrouped and said, “How do I know that what you’re saying is true? That just seems so incredible.”

    Darlene explained William Smatt opening his desk drawer and “showing me personal correspondence from the vice-president , his son, photographs, and checks. I had no reason to believe that this man who I had known for years made this up.”
    At another time, while staying at Raymond Smatt’s Miami mansion, Raymond said that Vice President George Bush and Jeb Bush had used cocaine at his Miami home.

    [Rodney Stich, Drugging America: a Trojan Horse – FBI, CIA and Other Insiders Reveal Greatest Threat to America’s Men and Women From Government’s Fraudulent War-On-Drugs, pp. 425-426 ]

    Darlene Novinger and her 1982 Report to the FBI Office in Harrisburg

    Darlene said that after she submitted her report in December 1982, an investigation was commenced. Darlene said that in January 1983, newspapers reported that Vice President George Bush’s entire staff on the South Florida Drug Task Force was replaced. She assumed this was due to her report. She also remembered a Washington Post article in January 1983 that stated many members of the South Florida Task Force were using drugs…

    [Rodney Stich, Drugging America: a Trojan Horse – FBI, CIA and Other Insiders Reveal Greatest Threat to America’s Men and Women From Government’s Fraudulent War-On-Drugs, pp. 427]
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    Wow, the government really treated their minions like shit back then. Wonder if that has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, the government really treated their minions like shit back then. Wonder if that has changed.
    I mean, wtf..

    Barry Seal was a legendary CIA drug smuggler and ace pilot who had literally worked for the Agency since he was a teenage pilot prodigy in the late 1950’s. By 1986 Barry Seal was having legal problems (criminal and a huge IRS tax liability) that not even his CIA connections could protect him from and according to Seal’s lawyer Lewis Unglesby, Barry Seal was a threat to testify against Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush. In fact, in early 1986 Barry Seal was threatening GHW Bush to get the IRS off his back or he (Seal) was going to blow the whistle on the Contra scheme and CIA drug smuggling.
    Two weeks after his argument with Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush, Barry Seal was pumped full of bullets and murdered outside his Baton Rouge halfway house on Feb. 19, 1986.
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    We can't run this crap in the campaign. Rand Paul is not going to be talking about Jeb Bush being involved in CIA assassinations of drug smugglers. LOL. This makes me think of the video with Ron on that one show.

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    We can't run this crap in the campaign. Rand Paul is not going to be talking about Jeb Bush being involved in CIA assassinations of drug smugglers. LOL. This makes me think of the video with Ron on that one show.
    It needs to be discussed. The depravity of the Bushes, particularly George Herbert Walker Bush and his son Jeb Bush and their egregious behavior during Iran-Contra should be at the top of the discussion list. Didn't someone say that tyranny is when the government does it it is legal, but when you do it it's illegal?

    Read the book "Barry and the Boys" by Daniel Hopsicker. It is about the life and death of legendary CIA drug smuggler and ace pilot Barry Seal. Hopsicker concluded that Oliver North had Barry Seal murdered. CIA Pegasus assassin Chip Tatum confirmed it for Hopsicker, saying "No shit, Sherlock." Then there is Al Martin's revelations that Jeb Bush was at planning sessions where the need to murder, get rid of Barry Seal was discussed in the fall of 1985.

    It is long past time for folks to talking about this rather than just pretending there is not a problem. Here are some fine bibliographies on CIA/governmental drug running as well as the darker side of the Bushes.

    Bibliography on governmental and CIA drug smuggling and related criminal activities:

    1) Powerburns: Cocaine, Contras & the Drug War by former DEA agent Celerino Castillo, III (2010)
    2) Dark Alliance by Gary Webb (1999)
    3) Barry and the Boys: the CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History by Daniel Hopsicker (2006, written in 2001, lawsuits delayed it for 5 years. Extremely important book.)
    4) Whiteout by Alexander Cockburn (1999)
    5) Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies and the CIA in Central America by Peter Dale Scott and
    Jonathon Marshall (1998)
    6) Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & ‘Project Truth’ by Robert Parry (1999)
    7) The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider by Al Martin (2000)
    8) The Big White Lie: The Deep Cover Operation That Exposed the CIA Sabotage of the Drug War: An Undercover Odyssey by Michael Levine and Laura Kavanau-Levine (2012)
    9) The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade by Alfred W. McCoy (1972 and republished 2003)
    10) Out of Control: The Story of the Reagan Administration’s Secret War in Nicaragua, the Illegal Arms Pipeline, and the Contra Drug Connection by Leslie Cockburn (1987)
    11) Blue Thunder: How the Mafia Owned and Finally Murdered Cigarette Boat King Donald Aronov by Thomas Burdick and Charlene Mitchell (1990)
    12) The Mafia, CIA, & George Bush by Pete Brewton (1992)
    13) Called to Serve by James “Bo” Gritz (1991)
    14) Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation by L.D. Brown (1997)
    15) The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories by Ambrose Evans Pritchard (1
    16) American Desperado: My Life - From Mafia Soldier to Cocaine Cowboy to Secret Government Asset by Jon Roberts & Evan Wright (2012)
    17) Cocaine, Death Squads, and the War on Terror: U.S. Imperialism and Class Struggle in Colombia by Oliver Villar and Drew Cottle (2011)
    18) The Crimes of Patriots: A True Tale of Dope, Dirty Money, and the CIA by Jonathan Kwitney (1987)
    19) The Politics of Cocaine: How U.S. Foreign Policy Has Created a Thriving Drug Industry in Central and South America by William L. Marcy (2010)
    20) How to Get Away with Murder in America: Drug Lords, Dirty Pols, Obsessed Cops, and the Quiet Man Who Became the CIA’s Master Killer by Evan Wright (2012)
    21) Defrauding America: Encyclopedia of Secret Operations by the CIA, DEA, and other Covert Agencies (third edition) by Rodney Stich (1998)
    22) Drugging America: A Trojan Horse (second edition) by Rodney Stich (2005)
    23) The New Clinton Chronicles (YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtNoLxvkKGY
    24) Conspiracy – The Secret History: The Secret Heartbeat of America, the CIA and Drugs by Daniel Hopsicker (2004)
    25) Kill the Messenger: How the CIA’s Crack-Cocaine Controversy Destroyed Journalist Gary Webb by Nick Schou (2006)
    26) Dope, Inc: The Book That Drove Henry Kissinger Crazy by Executive Intelligence Review (1992)
    27) Disavow: A CIA Saga of Betrayal by Rodney Stich
    28) Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta & the 9-11 Cover-Up in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker (2005)
    29) Opium, Empire and the Global Political Economy: A Study of the Asian Opium Trade 1750-1950 by Carl Trocki (1999)
    30) The Boys on the Tracks: Death, Denial, and a Mother’s Crusade to Bring Her Son’s Killers to Justice by Mara Leveritt (1999)
    31) The Strength of the Wolf: The Secret History of America’s War on Drugs by Douglas Valentine (2004)
    32) The Strength of the Pack: The Personalities, Politics and Espionage Intrigues That Shaped the DEA by Douglas Valentine (2009)

    Bibliography of Books about the Darker Side of the Bushes:

    1) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty the Powerful Forces That Put It in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America by Russ Baker (2008)
    2) The Immaculate Deception: Bush Crime Family Exposed by Russell S. Bowen (1991)
    3) George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography by Webster Griffin Tarpley (2004)
    4) Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President by J.H. Hatfield (2002)
    5) Bushwhacked: Inside Stories of True Conspiracy by Uri Dowbenko (2003)
    6) The Two Faces of George Bush by Anthony C. Sutton (1988)
    7) American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush by Kevin Phillips
    8) The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty by Kitty Kelley (2004)
    9) The Bush Junta: A Field Guide to Corruption in Government by Mack White & Gary Groth (2005)
    10) October Surprise by Barbara Honegger (1989)
    11) October Surprise by Gary Sick (1992)
    12) Trick or Treason: The October Surprise by Robert Parry (1993)
    13) The Complete and ExtraOrdinary History of the October Surprise by Brian Joseph (2009)
    14) The October Surprise X-Files: The Hidden Origins of the Reagan-Bush Era by Robert Parry
    15) Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential by James Moore and Wayne Slater (2004)
    16) Jeb: America’s Next Bush by S.V. Date

    Books by some of the perps in Iran-Contra who were running gargantuan amounts of drugs into the USA, committing financial crime, & murdering people to cover it up, etc. Somehow they forgot to put that in their books.

    1) Under Fire: An American Story – Oliver L. North with William Novak (1992)
    2) Honored and Betrayed: Irangate, Covert Affairs, and the Secret War in Laos by Richard Secord (1992)
    3) Shadow Warrior: The CIA Hero of Hundred Unknown Battles by Felix I. Rodriguez (1989)
    4) Spymaster: My Life in the CIA by Ted Shackley (2006)
    5) A Spy for All Seasons: My Life in the CIA by Duane R. Clarridge
    6) Hazardous Duty: An American Soldier in the Twentieth Century by John Singlaub (1992)

    Question: If you truly have character, do you really have to have books written by and about you pertaining to “character” and “integrity?:"

    1) George Bush: Man of Integrity by Doug Wead (1988)
    2) Profiles in Character by Jeb Bush and Brian Yablonski (1996)

    Final note: Doug Wead is a nice man but he allowed the Bushes to use him and his Christian credentials like a roll of toilet paper. I wonder if Doug Wead today (2013) fully understands the depravity of the people he was promoting for all those years, and particularly how GHW Bush & Jeb Bush have conducted their lives.
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    While I'm certainly no fan of the Bush's and am quite familiar with their backgrounds, there's no way the MSM will give time to air all this stuff. Plus, much of this activity is w/ the CIA which is untouched by any MSM media no matter what and it would drive Rand's kooky meter sky high. Stick to the issues. It would surprise me if the establishment ran two (Bush and Christie) at the same time but it wouldn't intrude on our potential supporters for the most part.

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    I'm going to start reading some of that. Looks very interesting. Thank you for posting that list.
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    While I'm certainly no fan of the Bush's and am quite familiar with their backgrounds, there's no way the MSM will give time to air all this stuff. Plus, much of this activity is w/ the CIA which is untouched by any MSM media no matter what and it would drive Rand's kooky meter sky high. Stick to the issues. It would surprise me if the establishment ran two (Bush and Christie) at the same time but it wouldn't intrude on our potential supporters for the most part.
    I don't let the MSM determine to me what is an issue and what is not and I suggest that you do not either. If you play that shell game you have essentially censored youself, bowed under to bullying and flushed truth down the toilet bowl. Ron Paul did not act that way his entire political career.

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    Why does Rand Paul have to say anything? People need to know about this whether Rand Paul decides to discuss it or not.
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    With the probablity of Jeb Bush running for president, I think that the most important things activists of all stripes can do is educate themselves on the 1986 murder of Barry Seal and who actually engineered this. Hint: the people who murdered Barry Seal are people you still see quite often on TV and in the political world.

    A Slew of other Articles on CIA Drug Smuggler Barry Seal & his Murder in Baton Rouge in February, 1986
    Ross Perot knew all about the CIA/governmental drug trade and it was a big reason that he ran for president in 1992 although he would never say this publicly. Here is a hit job NYT piece by Richard Bernstein on Ross Perot who was incensed over CIA drug smuggling. Perot is quoted as saying – and this is extremely important to understanding the Perot- GHW Bush epic rift – “When you look into the [American Vietnam POW] prisoner cover-up, you find government officials in the drug trade who can’t break themselves of the habit.”

    Here is a good biography on CIA drug smuggler Barry Seal at Spartacus Educational.
    Barry Seal: Set up for Murder: This is a must read letter from the Louisiana Attorney General William J. Guste, Jr. to the US Attorney General Edwin Meese on March 3, 1986, complaining about why Barry Seal was not given governmental protection. Attorney General Guste was enraged at how such a valuable drug asset like Barry Seal could be assassinated and not protected by the government. My response: well, if you are about to plea bargain and take down high officials in government who are drug dealing, these things tend to happen.

    Web link to buy the fabulous book “Barry and the Boys” by Daniel Hopsicker. Read this book and you will never look at modern American politics in the same way again.

    Here is another good link on the 1986 murder of CIA drug smuggler Barry Seal.

    A collection of articles on the murder of Barry Seal.

    2008 TruthAlliance article relating to CIA drug smuggler Barry Seal:

    “Inside the Octopus: The Barry Seal Story” by Preston Peet in High Times 5/6/02:

    “Barry Seal murder in Baton Rouge 25 years ago helped to expose Iran-Contra debacle” by Tom Aswell

    CIA Linked to Seal’s Assassination by Daniel Hopsicker (8-18-97)

    “SMUGGLER: Barry Seal” by Chuck Hustmyre

    “Former Lord of Arkansas narco-republic questions Drug War” by Prorevnews 12/12/12
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    Quote Originally Posted by supermario21 View Post
    We can't run this crap in the campaign. Rand Paul is not going to be talking about Jeb Bush being involved in CIA assassinations of drug smugglers. LOL. This makes me think of the video with Ron on that one show.
    I don't know anything about the OP, including whether or not it's something I would ever use against Jeb.

    But we can and should run with things that Rand won't touch.
    Im not a libertarian. Im not advocating everyone run around with no clothes on and smoke pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    I don't know anything about the OP, including whether or not it's something I would ever use against Jeb.

    But we can and should run with things that Rand won't touch.
    Damn straight. But Rand Paul does need to have the courage to talk about ugly matters such as this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMorrowAustin View Post
    George Herbert Walker Bush: Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.
    That is a famous 1992 quote by George Herbert Walker Bush to Sarah McLendon, a Texas journalist who Bush had known for years and who was the grand dame of the White House press corps at the time.
    If it's a famous quote, then how come when I google it the only sources that come up are versions of the article in the OP?
    Im not a libertarian. Im not advocating everyone run around with no clothes on and smoke pot.

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    Quite frankly and since Jeb isn't a 2014 candidate, this belongs in Hot Topics imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Quite frankly and since Jeb isn't a 2014 candidate, this belongs in Hot Topics imo.
    They posted it there because apparently there isn't a 2016 candidate section yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    I'm going to start reading some of that. Looks very interesting. Thank you for posting that list.
    Here is the one and only book to read on the subject.



    http://www.amazon.com/Compromised-Cl.../dp/1561712493

    Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I mean, wtf..
    They knew he was going to be killed. Indeed, they wanted him killed.
    I call the bottom bunk at Gitmo, Snowden joked as he contemplated our prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Quite frankly and since Jeb isn't a 2014 candidate, this belongs in Hot Topics imo.
    Hot topics? For what?
    I call the bottom bunk at Gitmo, Snowden joked as he contemplated our prospects.

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    Start at about 8 minutes in. Takes a little bit to get going but there are a lot of good interviews and evidence presented.
    I call the bottom bunk at Gitmo, Snowden joked as he contemplated our prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    If it's a famous quote, then how come when I google it the only sources that come up are versions of the article in the OP?
    It is a famous quote among those who know deep politics, Iran-Contra & CIA drug smuggling. It is not the kind of truth that is going to be put on ACc/NBC/CBS/FOX/CNN/NYT/Wash Post for obvious reasons.

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    Yes, that is an excellent book. But there are several other blockbuster books on this topic:

    1) Al Martin's epic book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Conspirato...n+conspirators

    2) Daniel Hopsicker's instant classic http://www.amazon.com/Barry-Boys-Ame...y+and+the+boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMorrowAustin View Post
    It is a famous quote among those who know deep politics, Iran-Contra & CIA drug smuggling. It is not the kind of truth that is going to be put on ACc/NBC/CBS/FOX/CNN/NYT/Wash Post for obvious reasons.
    It wouldn't need to be on those sources to be all over the internet if it were famous. What's your source for it?
    Im not a libertarian. Im not advocating everyone run around with no clothes on and smoke pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why does Rand Paul have to say anything? People need to know about this whether Rand Paul decides to discuss it or not.
    There is a ZERO percent chance that anyone related to or not that has the last name Bush will get elected so wasting time trying to discredit a Bush is just that a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    There is a ZERO percent chance that anyone related to or not that has the last name Bush will get elected so wasting time trying to discredit a Bush is just that a waste of time.
    I pray to God every day that you're right, and I don't even believe in God.

    However. It's also important to bring this issue up with people because the Clintons were involved, Hillary's Rose Law Firm laundered a lot of drug money. Hillary may very well run in '16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    It wouldn't need to be on those sources to be all over the internet if it were famous. What's your source for it?
    The source is Sarah McLendon, a longtime Texas journalist, herself who put it in her 1992 summer newsletter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMorrowAustin View Post
    The source is Sarah McLendon, a longtime Texas journalist, herself who put it in her 1992 summer newsletter.
    Can you scan your copy of that newsletter?
    Im not a libertarian. Im not advocating everyone run around with no clothes on and smoke pot.

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    Did you see Hopsickers picture of Barry Seal with Operation 40?




    Seal is seated third from left. Sitting right next to him (second from left) is Porter Goss. Beside Goss is notorious "freedom fighter" Felix Rodriguez (front left), a Cuban vice cop under the corrupt Mob-run Batista regime in Cuba who later became an Iran Contra operative and a confidant of the first George Bush.
    http://www.madcowprod.com/05072006.html

    Porter Goss. if you'll allow a bit of a digression-

    This Porter Goss. The Co-Sponsor of the Patriot act and a co chair of the first "investigation" into 911. A Spook in charge of the investigation...The Porter Goss that had breakfast on the morning of 911 with the financier of flight 77 (that's what the FBI said)

    On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...02May17_4.html


    ^^ that must be flight 77, what else could it be? Does Porter Goss look surprised?

    Between his breakfast and flight 77 impact, Porter Goss had time to give a little press conference. A busy morning indeed.

    It's a small small world. And even smaller if you've been a member of Operation 40.
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    Super! Just get the word out on their long time dirty dealings! That is probably Porter Goss and Felix Rodriguez (possibly) sitting to Barry Seal's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Can you scan your copy of that newsletter?
    I am not in a possession of a copy of that newsletter.

    Try this: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...mes;read=95832


    Sarah McClendon: "What will the people do if they ever find out the truth
    about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?
    George H.W. Bush: "Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have
    done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    There is a ZERO percent chance that anyone related to or not that has the last name Bush will get elected so wasting time trying to discredit a Bush is just that a waste of time.

    Baloney. That family's core is about controlling taxpayers $$ thru elections. They are & will run multiple family members.

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