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    Woman Sues Abortion Clinic For "Failed" Abortion After Giving Birth To A Healthy Baby




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    So in other words, she's suing the abortion clinic for attemping murder and failing instead of succeeding.

    As far as I'm concerned she has publicly admitted to being a murderer and anyone who kills her is a hero for justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    So in other words, she's suing the abortion clinic for attemping murder and failing instead of succeeding.

    As far as I'm concerned she has publicly admitted to being a murderer and anyone who kills her is a hero for justice.
    Wow, we're having a rash of DRTA today.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    So in other words, she's suing the abortion clinic for attemping murder and failing instead of succeeding.

    As far as I'm concerned she has publicly admitted to being a murderer and anyone who kills her is a hero for justice.
    WTF!

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    If she doesn't want the baby then give it up for adoption to loving parents.

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    I guess she would not just accept her money back ?

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    I think I'll just be glad that I don't have her health problems and mind my own business.
    In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    If she doesn't want the baby then give it up for adoption to loving parents.
    She wanted the baby. Did you read the article?
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    I'm glad everything worked out, but it just hardened my heart a little more towards the "life of the mother" argument. Apparently, she had a difficult pregnancy but everybody made it through just fine.

    If she knew another pregnancy could be fatal, why didn't she get her tubes tied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    She wanted the baby. Did you read the article?
    I didn't. I just realized that it was in an attempt to save her life. I take back my comment. I just wish I could neg rep myself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I didn't. I just realized that it was in an attempt to save her life. I take back my comment. I just wish I could neg rep myself...
    Well, things aren't always as black and white as they first appear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    Well, things aren't always as black and white as they first appear.
    I assumed that it was an abortion out of convenience. Granted, my position is radical compared to the status quo anyway but even I think that if the mother's life is in danger that it is a legitimate form of self-defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I assumed that it was an abortion out of convenience. Granted, my position is radical compared to the status quo anyway but even I think that if the mother's life is in danger that it is a legitimate form of self-defense.
    Going in with guns ablazing is not generally necessary for self-defense. Why does a mother's "life-saving" operation need to be done with the intent to end the life of the unborn child?
    Last edited by enjerth; 04-01-2013 at 12:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I assumed that it was an abortion out of convenience. Granted, my position is radical compared to the status quo anyway but even I think that if the mother's life is in danger that it is a legitimate form of self-defense.
    You give young people a bad name. I'm totally astonished that anyone of your age could support murder of innocent women who get abortions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enjerth View Post
    Going in with guns ablazing is not generally necessary for self-defense. Why does a mother's "life-saving" operation need to be done with the intent to end the life of the unborn child?
    I'm not an MD so I have literally no idea what has to be done in those cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    You give young people a bad name. I'm totally astonished that anyone of your age could support murder of innocent women who get abortions.
    They aren't innocent. They are murderers. And who cares how old I am, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    You give young people a bad name. I'm totally astonished that anyone of your age could support murder of innocent women who get abortions.

    If they're getting an abortion, they're not innocent in any sense of the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I'm not an MD so I have literally no idea what has to be done in those cases.



    They aren't innocent. They are murderers. And who cares how old I am, exactly?
    My point is that it's part of the pro-choice political game to get you to admit that, to save the life of the mother, we must allow for abortions... and to get that they may trick you into thinking that there are circumstances where the mother benefits from the unborn baby's death. But that's a fallacy, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    If they're getting an abortion, they're not innocent in any sense of the word.

    Says you and says me, but there are definitely people who feel otherwise and their argument is just as valid as ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjerth View Post
    My point is that it's part of the pro-choice political game to get you to admit that, to save the life of the mother, we must allow for abortions... and to get that they may trick you into thinking that there are circumstances where the mother benefits from the unborn baby's death. But that's a fallacy, isn't it?
    I know ecoptic pregnancies exist although I'm not sure how often that occurs or whether there are any other cases where the mother's life is genuinely endangered by the fetus. I do, however, believe that were such a case to exist, it should be legally acceptable to defend yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Says you and says me, but there are definitely people who feel otherwise and their argument is just as valid as ours.
    Not really.

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    Let's see if I get this straight:

    1. Woman has baby
    2. Woman is told she has two uteri.
    3. Woman gets pregnant a second time.
    4. This time the baby is growing in the "bad" uterus.
    5. Woman is told "If you don't get an abortion you'll die."
    6. Woman attempts abortion.
    7. Baby survives.
    8. Woman finds out baby survived.
    9. Woman tells abortion clinic - they pass the buck and say "Call our other affiliate"
    10. Woman calls another abortion clinic altogether - they say "We won't fix the mistake of someone else."
    11. Woman and fiance' decide to forge ahead with pregnancy
    12. Woman is managed as a high risk pregnancy
    13. Baby turns out fine.

    Is it just me, or shouldn't this woman be suing the doctor who said at step five that she needed to have an abortion? I'm not an expert, but a quick internet search suggests that such pregnancies typically aren't fatal. And if it is such a danger, shouldn't the condition have been surgically fixed after the first pregnancy? If not removal of the 2nd uterus, disconnecting it from the fallopian tubes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I know ecoptic pregnancies exist although I'm not sure how often that occurs or whether there are any other cases where the mother's life is genuinely endangered by the fetus. I do, however, believe that were such a case to exist, it should be legally acceptable to defend yourself.
    Ecoptic pregnancies aren't really even pregnancies. Even the Catholic Church allows them to be terminated.

    The "to save the life of the mother" position is largely a lie, as this case illustrates. Quite honestly, any of us can be killed by a pregnancy gone wrong. One weak blood vessel in the brain plus a slightly elevated blood pressure, and goodbye world.

    I suppose there could be a case of an accident, where the mother is so severely wounded that emergency procedures could dictate making such a choice, but this case illustrates that going through with the pregnancy didn't actually harm the mother.



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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I'm glad everything worked out, but it just hardened my heart a little more towards the "life of the mother" argument. Apparently, she had a difficult pregnancy but everybody made it through just fine.

    If she knew another pregnancy could be fatal, why didn't she get her tubes tied?
    We don't know all of the facts, but it seems like she was getting poor medical advice from her OBGYN. She should have only needed to get the tubes connecting the right uterus tied, or simply had the right uterus removed. This sounds like medical malpractice on multiple levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Ecoptic pregnancies aren't really even pregnancies. Even the Catholic Church allows them to be terminated.

    The "to save the life of the mother" position is largely a lie, as this case illustrates. Quite honestly, any of us can be killed by a pregnancy gone wrong. One weak blood vessel in the brain plus a slightly elevated blood pressure, and goodbye world.

    I suppose there could be a case of an accident, where the mother is so severely wounded that emergency procedures could dictate making such a choice, but this case illustrates that going through with the pregnancy didn't actually harm the mother.
    I remember as a child reading about a woman who refused chemotherapy because she was pregnant and I think she eventually died. She may have died anyway. And she might have been saved by other treatments that wouldn't have been harmful to the fetus.

    Edit: I just realized something. If everyone realizes that "ecoptic pregnancies aren't really pregnancies and can be terminated", then doesn't that mean life does not begin at conception, or that at the very least conception != fertilization? And if that's the case, then why the fuss over RU486?
    Last edited by jmdrake; 04-01-2013 at 01:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The "to save the life of the mother" position is largely a lie, as this case illustrates. Quite honestly, any of us can be killed by a pregnancy gone wrong. One weak blood vessel in the brain plus a slightly elevated blood pressure, and goodbye world.
    Sorry I can't rep you twice in this thread!

    My mother and father had been trying to have children for 13 years and had already adopted two.
    They went to a specialist to find out what was up, and he suggested getting a procedure done whereby they'd inject dye into her fallopian tubes and take xrays.
    As a standard question the technician asked when her last period was. She told him it had been 32 days, and he cut her off and told her he wouldn't do it on the chance she was pregnant.
    She got indignant with him, saying it was 13 years and what the hell did he know.
    But he refused.

    That was me.

    Contrast that to today, where the default position is "YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER!!!! NO CHOICE BUT TO ABORT!!!!"
    Medicine has gotten pretty rotten in the last 40 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I remember as a child reading about a woman who refused chemotherapy because she was pregnant and I think she eventually died. She may have died anyway. And she might have been saved by other treatments that wouldn't have been harmful to the fetus.
    I think that's a laudible choice but you should have the legal right to ptrotect yourself. That does not mean you should be allowed to abort on demand.
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    I'm pretty sure the back of the receipt CLEARLY states babies are excluded from the 14 day return policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I'm glad everything worked out, but it just hardened my heart a little more towards the "life of the mother" argument. Apparently, she had a difficult pregnancy but everybody made it through just fine.

    If she knew another pregnancy could be fatal, why didn't she get her tubes tied?
    WHAT?!!! You want someone to be responsible for their own actions???? How dare you!

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