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    Venezuela VP: Hugo Chavez has died

    CBS News ‏@CBSNews
    BREAKING NEWS: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has died, the country's Vice President Nicolas Maduro announced http://CBSNews.com
    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/309060191624761345
    Last edited by ronpaulfollower999; 03-05-2013 at 04:01 PM.
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    Hugo Chavez Dead

    Venezuela's Hugo Chavez dies from cancer: VP



    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has died after a two-year battle with cancer, ending the socialist leader's 14-year rule of the South American country, Vice President Nicolas Maduro said in a televised speech.
    Can't believe Castro outlived him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokenLibertarianGuy View Post
    Venezuela's Hugo Chavez dies from cancer: VP





    Can't believe Castro outlived him.
    Castro wasn't standing in the way of globalization like Chavez was.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...21#post4905521

    Don't forget the CIA had "cancer" guns.

    http://guardian.co.tt/lifestyle/2012...-secret-weapon
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Castro wasn't standing in the way of globalization like Chavez was.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...21#post4905521
    What exactly do you mean by 'globalization'? That's a pretty loaded term.

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    Nothing good came from his life, nothing good will come of his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HigherVision View Post
    What exactly do you mean by 'globalization'? That's a pretty loaded term.
    I guess you didn't click the link? Hugo Chavez was one of the main impediments to the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA). Basically NAFTA on steroids. Here's Ron Paul talking about CAFTA which was a prelude to the FTAA.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul254.html

    And yes, Chavez was against CAFTA.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072501352.html

    I'm not saying that Chavez was a saint. He wasn't. He was a useful idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I guess you didn't click the link? Hugo Chavez was one of the main impediments to the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA). Basically NAFTA on steroids. Here's Ron Paul talking about CAFTA which was a prelude to the FTAA.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul254.html

    And yes, Chavez was against CAFTA.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072501352.html

    I'm not saying that Chavez was a saint. He wasn't. He was a useful idiot.
    Chavez opposed these things because he was an opponent of legitimate free trade and capitalism. People on the left who say they oppose 'globalization' oppose worldwide free trade, which is the key to peace and prosperity and civilization. Instead they support coercive force via unions and governments hampering voluntary, mutually beneficial transactions.

    Paul opposed those agreements for the opposite reason, because he believed that they were actually anti-free trade measures. Completely different reason to why Chavez and people like Noam Chomsky oppose them.

    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Foreign oil companies wanted Venezuelas resources desperately, especially Bush's cabal. The dude kicked them out & did what he thought was best for his Country. For better or worse. I'll give him credit for that.
    How would you like it if I confiscated all your property, deemed it my 'country', and declared that you had to get the hell out so I could enjoy it and share it with people that I like? That's what Chavez basically did. Countries are bull$#@!, private property is all that's legitimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Castro wasn't standing in the way of globalization like Chavez was.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...21#post4905521

    Don't forget the CIA had "cancer" guns.

    http://guardian.co.tt/lifestyle/2012...-secret-weapon
    I would not be surprised one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokenLibertarianGuy View Post
    Can't believe Castro outlived him.
    Can't believe anyone can outlive Castro, he probably used the dragonballs and wish for immortality.

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    Chavez has Died

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-chavez-main/index.html


    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez dies

    By CNN Staff

    updated 5:01 PM EST, Tue March 5, 2013


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    someone tweeted this... true?

    On this very same day 60 years ago died Joseph Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    someone tweeted this... true?

    On this very same day 60 years ago died Joseph Stalin.
    Yeah, Stalin died March 5, 1953.

    Hate the comparison, though. Chavez was a socialist but not one of history's biggest mass murderers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokenLibertarianGuy View Post
    Yeah, Stalin died March 5, 1953.

    Hate the comparison, though. Chavez was a socialist but not one of history's biggest mass murderers.
    true. I don't recall major grief (in histories, at least), and people there love Chavez. At least from what I can tell.
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    Do we have any liberty candidates to run for his office?



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    I bet a lot of people in the white house will be popping champagne because of this news and would be mourning the day King Saud dies.

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    I'm not one to celebrate people's deaths, but hopefully this leads to more moderate leadership in Caracas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I bet a lot of people in the white house will be popping champagne because of this news and would be mourning the day King Saud dies.
    are you sure there won't be mourning?

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    "The devil came here yesterday, and it smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of. Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the President of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world."

    -Chavez 2006

    R.I.P. Hugo
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulfollower999 View Post
    "The devil came here yesterday, and it smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of. Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the President of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world."

    -Chavez 2006

    R.I.P. Hugo
    Really? You are going to say RIP to this ghoul. I hope he gets raped for eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Really? You are going to say RIP to this ghoul. I hope he gets raped for eternity.
    Agreed. This man was a monster who made life miserable for millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Really? You are going to say RIP to this ghoul. I hope he gets raped for eternity.
    Why do you say that? Is it because he nationalized industries?



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    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Really? You are going to say RIP to this ghoul. I hope he gets raped for eternity.
    I know I know. The Kirshners, Fox, Alexis, that's what Venezuela needs.

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    Can we invade Venezuela now?

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    Rockwell: They're Dancing a Jig at the CIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Rockwell: They're Dancing a Jig at the CIA
    I'm sure they are activating agents to throw the country into turmoil as we speak. There is tons of oil there. I fear for the people of Venezuela now. CIA is spooging their pants thinking about turning Venezuela into a new Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Wenzel:
    Didn't know Wenzel is an oncologist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokenLibertarianGuy View Post
    Didn't know Wenzel is an oncologist.
    What part of "From what I hear" don't you understand?

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