A blimp is a BAD IDEA - here is why

[cajuncocoa]

I don't have time to be longwinded especially when I can simply post other stuff easily.

Did you watch the video I posted?

No, I don't have time to watch a 90 minute video.

[Matt Collins]

How many counties did you win in TN in 2012?

I wasn't operating in TN in 2012, but I did help win the entire state of Minnesota for Ron.

[Matt Collins]

In my experience with speaking to people at Ron Paul events,

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

many people who were there were NOT people who voted over and over and over again for the same damned thing (expecting different results). They were not typical Republicans. They needed to be reached in unconventional ways.

And very few of them vote... the ones that do are not nearly enough to win a Republican nomination. Which is why you must target likely Republican voters.

[Matt Collins]

No, I don't have time to watch a 90 minute video.

You should take the time so that you can understand how political marketing actually works.

[Natural Citizen]

You should take the time so that you can understand how political marketing actually works.

I miss the good old days when it was just good old fashioned representation of, by and for the people. You know? You liked a feller and figured he'd represent you well and so you sent him to represent you. Now we have political marketing. It has completely flip flopped. And we wonder why things keep getting worse. It's like American Idol up in this biatch. We have politicians standing in front of cameras sucking on super big gulps after speeches and endorsements like it's the Pepsi 500 or something. You know how the Nascar driver always takes a big drink of his sponsors product after he wins a race and they have the camera on him? Same thing. Freakin nutz...

[Occam's Banana]

What does HQ have to do with anything? Run your own ads through a PAC locally and get local meetup supporters to pool their money together.

Or, step up and do it yourself...oh, wait...

[Matt Collins]

I miss the good old days when it was just good old fashioned representation of, by and for the people. You know? You liked a feller and figured he'd represent you well and so you sent him to represent you. Now we have political marketing. It has completely flip flopped.

LOLz.... "the good old days" never existed....

[Occam's Banana]

You can't seem to explain anything in your own words without hiding behind a 90-minute video [...]

I don't have time [...] Did you watch the video I posted?

No, I don't have time to watch a 90 minute video.

You should take the time [...]

There! You see? Don't you understand, cajun?

Matt haz mad skillz - and HIS time is far too precious for HIM to waste any time trying to convince YOU of what HE wants YOU to think.
Instead, it is YOUR responsibilty to do it for him - it is up to YOU to spend YOUR time convincing yourself of what HE wants YOU to think.

And if you don't - well, that just goes to show what an obstinately ignorant and unsophistiated rube you are ...

[phill4paul]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Damn, gave a +rep in my haste to neg rep. Can someone cover with a neg to make up the difference?

[phill4paul]

You should take the time so that you can understand how political marketing actually works.

A 90 minute video does not truly equate to a minor in marketing. Though I'm sure you think so.

[bunklocoempire]

Grassroots built a brand. We owned the internet. We owned social media. We reached the disaffected. We raised funds for a candidate like no other before.
RonPaul,Inc., Jesse Benton, Teh Collinz, et tal sold us down the river for their future gains. The campaign was winnable. Where the load was dropped fell only on RonPaul, Inc. They dropped the ball when a score was needed most. They and NO others. Not AF or many others on these forums. Deals were made. We were not privy to them.

Yep. We're always told of Official this, Official that, long term vision/strategy...

Grassroots IS about as long term vision as you can get -and here's how I figure:

What I most love about grassroots is the sense of the "Plan B" that they have in place and ready to go. They are the Plan B.

[jmdrake]

"Supporter generated"

You can build brands in many ways.

You know....when I compare ^that to this:



Hmmmm.....which was the bigger waste of money again?

[jmdrake]

Yourlogicalfallacy is blah blah blah blah

You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't have time to be longwinded especially when I can simply post other stuff easily.

Did you watch the video I posted?

Yah, don't ya'll know that Teh Collinz is a busy man.

Too busy to respond to you plebes.

[Anti Federalist]

Cognitive Dissonance goes "spoink"?

[Anti Federalist]

Grassroots built a brand. We owned the internet. We owned social media. We reached the disaffected. We raised funds for a candidate like no other before.

RonPaul,Inc., Jesse Benton, Teh Collinz, et tal sold us down the river for their future gains. The campaign was winnable. Where the load was dropped fell only on RonPaul, Inc. They dropped the ball when a score was needed most. They and NO others. Not AF or many others on these forums. Deals were made. We were not privy to them.

Yes, yes we did.

Heady days, united in one common purpose.

I miss 2007, badly.

[devil21]

You fail to understand this:

Didn't anyone ever tell you not to talk with your mouth full?

[presence]

I've actually been contemplating a personally funded solar balloon billboard for RAND2016





From what I understand, you can go up to 300' high on tethers without any kind of permit.

[anaconda]

Explain...

What about all of the television viewers that see the story about the blimp on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, local affiliates, etc?

[Matt Collins]

A 90 minute video does not truly equate to a minor in marketing. Though I'm sure you think so.

Of course not. But I do have a minor in marketing and years of experience at this point in political marketing.

[Matt Collins]

What about all of the television viewers that see the story about the blimp on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, local affiliates, etc?

They don't matter because most of them are not likely Republican voters in the early states.

And even if they were, a blimp makes us look fringe which scares most voters.

[Anti Federalist]

makes us look fringe which scares most voters.

And there you have it folks.

It is not the blimp.

Or the sign waves.

Or the ads.

Or anything else the grassroots did.

You and I are "the fringe".

And we are not welcome in the Collins/Benton scheme of things.

And they have made this clear for years now.

The thing that pisses me off more than anything else is: even though we are the fringe, and an embarrassment on the DC cocktail party circuit, that didn't/doesn't stop Ron/Rand Paul Inc.© from wheedling money from good and decent folks.

[jmdrake]

They don't matter because most of them are not likely Republican voters in the early states.

So voters in early primary states don't watch TV? That's odd. I guess in 2016 Rand shouldn't do TV debates because most of the people watching the debates will not be likely Republican voters in early primary states. And if your argument is "Well the money could have been better spent", remember that at the time Ron Paul Inc had more campaign money than it knew what to do with.

And even if they were, a blimp makes us look fringe which scares most voters.

Yes. Because clearly this ad won over lots of votes only to be scared away by the blimp.

[cajuncocoa]

They don't matter because most of them are not likely Republican voters in the early states.

And even if they were, a blimp makes us look fringe which scares most voters.

Again, you're showing your marketing ignorance. "Likely Republican voters" were never Ron's base. There were many more people like me and the other good people on this board out there who needed to be reached. Those people aren't "scared" of people who are different (aka "fringe"). They're not used to rubbing elbows with the country club GOP establishment.

Coke learned that lesson in 1985....they tried to grab Pepsi drinkers with "New Coke" and overlooked the fact that they would piss off their own consumer base by changing the formula of their successful product.

Setting that lecture aside though, I fail to see how a blimp makes a candidate look "fringe" anyway. I'm serious. It's just another marketing tool....there's nothing fringe about it. MetLife and Goodyear use blimps in their advertising campaigns. They're quite mainstream.

[phill4paul]

Of course not. But I do have a minor in marketing and years of experience at this point in political marketing.

I used to dabble in Este's rockets but I don't claim to be a rocket scientist.

[phill4paul]

They don't matter because most of them are not likely Republican voters in the early states.

And even if they were, a blimp makes us look fringe which scares most voters.

You've burnt any reputation on these forums you once had. You should just leave.

In fact, I'm gonna burn your rep bar every chance I get. Because, I'm an $#@! like that. Every post you make I'm gonna neg when It's available. You don't deserve a "has a brilliant future" moniker.

[Anti Federalist]

I wasn't operating in TN in 2012, but I did help win the entire state of Minnesota for Ron.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

See, I can do that too.

[jmdrake]

Setting that lecture aside though, I fail to see how a blimp makes a candidate look "fringe" anyway. I'm serious. It's just another marketing tool....there's nothing fringe about it. MetLife and Goodyear use blimps in their advertising campaigns. They're quite mainstream.

I think the only grassroots idea that the "experts" don't slam is the moneybomb. Gee...I wonder why?

[Anti Federalist]

Again, you're showing your marketing ignorance. "Likely Republican voters" were never Ron's base. There were many more people like me and the other good people on this board out there who needed to be reached. Those people aren't "scared" of people who are different (aka "fringe"). They're not used to rubbing elbows with the country club GOP establishment.

Again, exactly.

Not sure if Collinz is just trolling us or is really that dense.

Your "typical" GOP primary voter hated Ron, they booed him when he quoted Christ from the Bible for $#@!'s sake.

That Warvangelical mob was never gonna be swayed to a Paul presidency.

The whole point was to get new, fresh blood in, and energize those people, like me, who had thrown up their hands in disgust and walked from the whole mess years before.

And in spite of what Collins or other "insider" halfwits have to say about it, I am goddamned proud to have been part of it, and met some of the most dedicated and sincere and hardworking people for liberty I have ever had the pleasure to meet.

So many good names in old threads, gone by the wayside.

It was a once in a lifetime experience.

And there wouldn't be a Rand Paul 2016© for these political leeches to attach themselves to if it wasn't for all of us.

Never forget that.

[cajuncocoa]

Of course not. But I do have a minor in marketing and years of experience at this point in political marketing.

You haven't used it well.