A blimp is a BAD IDEA - here is why

[angelatc]

What--you don't believe in 'shaping' the Gospel to better suit a room full of bloodthirsty neocons?

No, I actually think he's right about that *if* you're running to win, which Ron wasn't. We know that because Matt told us that. And I am largely fine with that - those lightening Ron Paul moments....I wouldn't trade them for the world. (Another personal favorite was Paul referring to Huckabee while quoting Sinclair Lewis. I was listening while brushing my teeth, and I had the pleasure of seeing my reaction in the mirror.)

My remark was more personal, in that Matt manages to piss of the denizens of RPF every time he opens his mouth, but yet seems to think that's acceptable because he has an important message to spread.

[jjdoyle]

Ah, the beautiful irony of this...I'm verklempt....it's art.

Shaping the message is working AWESOMELY! The Value Voters Summit straw poll is 100% proof of this.

[Anti Federalist]

What I notice was that Gunny was gerrymandered out of office.

So it looks like you're gonna hafta move those goalposts again ...

That is exactly what happened.

This "system" that Matt loves so much recognized the threat and moved to neutralize it.

Glen had built a base of popular support that the state party yanked right out from underneath him.

[angelatc]

That is exactly what happened.

This "system" that Matt loves so much recognized the threat and moved to neutralize it.

Glen had built a base of popular support that the state party yanked right out from underneath him.

Yes. The Republicans drawing the lines preferred to have a Democrat in their house than a successful liberty candidate in their party. And that's not a fluke.

[Anti Federalist]

Yes. The Republicans drawing the lines preferred to have a Democrat in their house than a successful liberty candidate in their party. And that's not a fluke.

All playing for the same team.

Never fails to amaze me how many chumps like Collins swallow the story every election cycle.

[cajuncocoa]

Thank you for proving my point.

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[jjdoyle]

I'm honestly curious why Matt Collins is allowed to repeatedly lie, make false claims, and break the guidelines:
"1) Operate with ethically sound principles.
• Be honest and truthful."

He rarely, if ever, provides a link, a picture, a video to any actual question asked of him, and instead of answering questions will refer people to things like reading War & Peace, or watching it, to learn nothing new about the actual question(s) asked.

I understand he and others in 2012 that couldn't accept Ron Paul 2012's outright lies then, and were simply trying to "trim the fat" around here because they didn't want those around that were asking legitimate questions and stating obvious things about the campaign's dishonesty. They couldn't have liberty supporters trying to shine a light on the darkness in our midst. It might have prevented future fundraising efforts from being as successful as they have been in the past.

I mean, when you have taken paychecks from Ron Paul Inc., and apparently are HOPING to continue to get more in the future, it makes sense to defend ANYTHING they do, even if that is lying to supporters. And apparently, even becoming a liar yourself.

I hope some of the grassroots have learned from the mistakes of trusting the "professionals" as in 2008 and 2012, and we can use those experiences in the future. Though, because I have seen sabotage and outright lying from our "own", it honestly makes me question what, if any, good will come through the political process. It seems the only reason to be involved in politics, at the national level, is for the money.

Ron Paul vs. Ron Paul Inc., watch this video before donating one dime to any "liberty" organization, and before attending any plastic chicken dinner liberty event where you are supposed to "learn" the ways of the machine. If you are interested in working for Rand in 2016, or any of the Ron Paul Inc., organizations, the video is well worth a watch, so that you can see certain things you may need to avoid doing on any application or survey you are asked to fill out:

[Deborah K]

Where does Matt Collins teach?

Whether he does or not remains to be verified. And whether he advises candidates also remains to be verified. He won't give it to me because I won't accept his "friend request" on FB. Here's what Glen (Gunny) states about Matt's claim that he advised Glen on his campaign. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...do#post5703942

[libertarianinternational]

This is why.

[acptulsa]

This is why.

Hydrogen-filled airships are a relic of the far distant past, trollish one.

[libertarianinternational]

Hydrogen-filled airships are a relic of the far distant past, trollish one.

Add a proton to hydrogen and you get helium.

[GunnyFreedom]

What I notice was that Gunny was gerrymandered out of office.

So it looks like you're gonna hafta move those goalposts again ...

That's true. leadership was in a panic because I was polling really high for re-election so they basically eliminated my district entirely. Ended up double-bunking me with one of the few guys I didn't really want to see gone, threw him $200k the next day and pressured me into a Senate race against a guy they gave $900k. My county is the worst VRA redistrict in the State. They struggled HARD to find an excuse to cut my district, and they eliminate the entire black population, since they knew I did well with the black vote.

[acptulsa]

Add a proton to hydrogen and you get helium.

Throw a proton into an eight hundred foot long bag of hydrogen and you get called a sophist and an idiot.

As for helium, the recipe also calls for another electron and a couple of neutrons. But thanks for sharing anyway. Would you like your 'participation trophy' now?

[GunnyFreedom]

That is exactly what happened.

This "system" that Matt loves so much recognized the threat and moved to neutralize it.

Glen had built a base of popular support that the state party yanked right out from underneath him.

And specifically eliminated all of my access to black voters, because I had won the black vote out of Halifax County.

[GunnyFreedom]

Yes. The Republicans drawing the lines preferred to have a Democrat in their house than a successful liberty candidate in their party. And that's not a fluke.

They actually did this to Ron Paul, as I recall, only he fought for and won the new district. Then again his opponent there was a jerkwad, and Collins was one of maybe four people I actually wanted to see stay in there lol. You know they did that on purpose too.

[Anti Federalist]

Add a proton to hydrogen and you get helium.

Zuh?

[cajuncocoa]

This is why.

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[Deborah K]

Thank you for proving my point.

And what point was that, Matt? That you can't verify you're not an instructor or an advisor to candidates? If you don't want to verify it to me in PM because you think I'm not trustworthy, then pick someone else to verify it. Maybe Bryan? You trust him, don't you? Come on, Matt.....you claim you're an authority - prove it or stfu!! Otherwise we'll have to conclude that you're nothing but a fraud. If you want respect, then prove you are what you say you are.

[GunnyFreedom]

Add a proton to hydrogen and you get helium.

LMAO it takes a little more than just a proton, and unless you have invented a process of nuclear fusion for gaseous Helium atoms, Helium atoms are not volatile to explosive oxidation like Hydrogen. This is knowledge held by third graders and such.

[acptulsa]

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Ah. The 'participation trophy'.

Can we pat him on the head and send him away now?

[Deborah K]

Add a proton to hydrogen and you get helium.

Matt? It that you?

[mosquitobite]

What--you don't believe in 'shaping' the Gospel to better suit a room full of bloodthirsty neocons?

Or are you more impressed by the chutzpah inherent in pretending that you saw it coming that a room full of Republicans would boo the words of Jesus and implying that you could have prevented it?

I think what she's saying is that he's saying you need to tailor your message so the audience doesn't boo, all the while not noticing he is consistently booed here on RPF.

[Occam's Banana]

I think what she's saying is that he's saying you need to tailor your message so the audience doesn't boo, all the while not noticing he is consistently booed here on RPF.

Oh, I'm pretty sure he's noticed that he is consistently booed here. It's just that he's a hypocrite ...

[acptulsa]

Oh, I'm pretty sure he's noticed that he is consistently booed here. It's just that he's a hypocrite ...

...who figures 'I have 40,000 posts on RPF' looks good on his resume'--and none of Rand's resume' evaluators will come here and see if any one of that forty grand was impressive.

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh, I'm pretty sure he's noticed that he is consistently booed here. It's just that he's a hypocrite ...

or a pathological narcissist. Every boo contributes to the greatness of his overarching supremacy. At one point he is better because he is accepted, at another point he is better because he is rejected. Either way he spins it to himself so that it makes him better. Rejecting the objective, one gets spun right into a false reality and detached. Enter the pathology, detachment from reality. However, rather than make it a bigger deal than it should be because it sounds so bad, somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of the human race are probably detached from reality today.

[GunnyFreedom]

Uh.... what part of "Gunny didn't get reelected" was a lie?

All of it. Including the obvious and false presumption that I ran for reelection. lol logical fallacy man. lmao

ETA - lmaoing because Der Kollinz Die Fallacyman is performing a classic one and probably doesn't even know it

[jmdrake]

If the grassroots message is different than the candidate's then it hurts the candidate (9/11 conspiracy is an example of this).

Since you're so into polls do you have an actual poll that says "If you don't like Ron Paul what is the reason?" I'm betting you don't. If you do please post a link to the results and to the polling methodology. In all of the phone backing, door knocking and signature gathering I did, 9/11 never came up. Foreign policy did. The newsletters did as well.

[Matt Collins]

Since you're so into polls do you have an actual poll that says "If you don't like Ron Paul what is the reason?" I'm betting you don't. If you do please post a link to the results and to the polling methodology. In all of the phone backing, door knocking and signature gathering I did, 9/11 never came up. Foreign policy did. The newsletters did as well.

The campaign did not release our internals.

[Matt Collins]

All of it. Including the obvious and false presumption that I ran for reelection. lol logical fallacy man. lmao

You are inferring something in my statement that wasn't there. "You didn't get re-elected" is a true statement.

[GunnyFreedom]

You are inferring something in my statement that wasn't there. "You didn't get re-elected" is a true statement.

Which implies that I ran for reelection.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?