A blimp is a BAD IDEA - here is why

[LibertyEagle]

I've been to these classes. They are insightful towards making enemy politicians vote the way you want them on rare occasions. That is a single screwdriver in an entire bag slam full of tools.

Beats the hell out of thinking anything is being furthered by griping on an internet forum or doing a sign wave?

[phill4paul]

Beats the hell out of thinking anything is being furthered by griping on an internet forum or doing a sign wave?

Thanks for showing up to the party late and trying to stir the pot. It ain't working. Have a rep burn on me.

[LibertyEagle]

Thanks for showing up to the party late and trying to stir the pot. It ain't working. Have a rep burn on me.

Right back atcha, skippy.

[GunnyFreedom]

Beats the hell out of thinking anything is being furthered by griping on an internet forum or doing a sign wave?

It's billed as everything you need to win, then they hand you a screwdriver and say if you want to win races hire Sabre. He discusses things that Activist PACs call 'good practice.'

[Anti Federalist]

It's billed as everything you need to win, then they hand you a screwdriver and say if you want to win races hire Sabre. He discusses things that Activist PACs call 'good practice.'

Sounds about right.

[phill4paul]

Right back atcha, skippy.

Bless your heart. Let me return....

[jjdoyle]

I've been to these classes. They are insightful towards making enemy politicians vote the way you want them on rare occasions. That is a single screwdriver in an entire bag slam full of tools.

Sounds like a waste of time IMO, especially based on what I know of them, and probably money for most around here. I would hope that we all have the phone numbers of our "public servants" saved and dialed often, as well as writing SWLOD, and even visiting our "public servants'" offices if issues arise or for issues that we think are important.

Before anybody around here attends these waste of time classes, and ESPECIALLY before PAYING to attend any of them, please watch the video below. It might save you a few dimes, and even help you MAKE a few dimes by knowing how to answer certain questions on surveys at these events, if you are hoping to get a job with one of the "liberty" organizations:


Skip to the 27:10 mark for the discussion on seminars and surveys at them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9F...tu.be&t=27m10s

[LibertyEagle]

And Skippy is playing a game seeing how many sequential neg reps he can give me. lol. How mature of you.

[LibertyEagle]

Sounds like a waste of time IMO, especially based on what I know of them, and probably money for most around here. I would hope that we all have the phone numbers of our "public servants" saved and dialed often, as well as writing SWLOD, and even visiting our "public servants'" offices if issues arise or for issues that we think are important.

Before anybody around here attends these waste of time classes, and ESPECIALLY before PAYING to attend any of them, please watch the video below. It might save you a few dimes, and even help you MAKE a few dimes by knowing how to answer certain questions on surveys at these events, if you are hoping to get a job with one of the "liberty" organizations:

HAHAHAHA. Like Wenzel should be the judge of anything at all. You have GOT to be kidding, Doyle. lol

[GunnyFreedom]

Don't get me wrong, you get a really good hard dataload of some really useful stuff in that class, so take the class, but just know up front the whole thing is a gimmick, and also one of Matt's trust downlines to R Inc. A trust, as exemplified by his dishonesty of late (and i have now learned, historically), that he just does not merit. Go to C4L and find the classes and take them from there. When you find a cancer you starve it, not feed it. That's how a body heals.

[jjdoyle]

HAHAHAHA. Like Wenzel should be the judge of anything at all. You have GOT to be kidding, Doyle. lol

Wenzel did the interview, not the information on Ron Paul Inc.
The information came from Dennis Fusaro, the guy that found out about the dishonest within Ron Paul 2012 and gave Jesse Benton months to come clean on the dishonesty within Ron Paul 2012 on the Kent Sorenson issue.

[phill4paul]

And Skippy is playing a game seeing how many sequential neg reps he can give me. lol. How mature of you.

You should know. Here's your maturity showing. Real knee slapper....as well as your race baiting thread.

Haven't seen ya around in a while. Nice of you to drop in. Been over a month since you graced us with your presence. Did Teh Collins call and say we were picking on him. Besides your race bait post and the other St. Louis thread this is the only other that you decided to pick up on. Glad to see ya back. Stay a spell.

[Occam's Banana]

I have no love for Collins. This isn't about him. He was talking about going to one of the leadership classes. He doesn't run them, or to my knowledge, profit off of them.

You can hate Collins all you want and still want to have the tools under your belt for how to win. Call it multi-tasking. lol

I don't have any problem at all with what you are talking about - and I doubt anyone else does either. I've even watched (twice) the Rothfeld video that Matt is so fond of posting - and within the context of seeking particular kinds of political/electoral victories, it's all good. If Matt simply said, "Hey, everybody, practical strategies like this are an important element of what the liberty movement is trying to accomplish. Those who are interested in this aspect of things should really pay close attention to this stuff," that would be one thing. That would be fine. And if he promoted, encouraged and advocated for that approach to things without denigrating other approaches, that would be even better.

But that's not what Matt does. Instead, he insists that we must all behave as if that approach is the only important, valid or relevant one. He insists that "likely Republican voters" are the only measure of value. He sneers at "education" as being a useless waste of time. He asserts that anything offered in counter to his declarations are "flukes" or "correlations without causation" or some such. He presents himself as a chaser-off of "riff raff" and an arbiter of the One True Path®. He dismisses folks as "irrelevant" if they don't agree with him about any of these things. And he does all these things while offering brusque "rebuttals" that are no more substantial than one- or two-line dismissals (or links to a lame online catalog of a few informal fallacies). In doing things this way, he makes it "about him" - and people react to that (including myself). It may not be positive, productive or pretty - but it is perfectly predictable. His demeanor does far more to discredit and distract attention away from otherwise sensible suggestions than that of anyone else around here.

[devil21]

I have no love for Collins. This isn't about him. He was talking about going to one of the leadership classes. He doesn't run them, or to my knowledge, profit off of them.

You can hate Collins all you want and still want to have the tools under your belt for how to win. Call it multi-tasking. lol

If anyone reading this thread now hasn't already learned the tools to win, without taking advice from Little Napoleon and Rothfeld then they're not 'learned' enough to understand the contents of the thread.

Been awhile since Ive seen you post LE. Everything good with you?

[LibertyEagle]

I don't have any problem at all with what you are talking about - and I doubt anyone else does either. I've even watched (twice) the Rothfeld video that Matt is so fond of posting - and within the context of seeking particular kinds of political/electoral victories, it's all good. If Matt simply said, "Hey, everybody, practical strategies like this are an important element of what the liberty movement is trying to accomplish. Those who are interested in this aspect of things should really pay close attention to this stuff," that would be one thing. That would be fine. And if he promoted, encouraged and advocated for that approach to things without denigrating other approaches, that would be even better.

But that's not what Matt does. Instead, he insists that we must all behave as if that approach is the only important, valid or relevant one. He insists that "likely Republican voters" are the only measure of value. He sneers at "education" as being a useless waste of time. He asserts that anything offered in counter to his declarations are "flukes" or "correlations without causation" or some such. He presents himself as a chaser-off of "riff raff" and an arbiter of the One True Path®. He dismisses folks as "irrelevant" if they don't agree with him about any of these things. And he does all these things while offering brusque "rebuttals" that are no more substantial than one- or two-line dismissals (or links to a lame online catalog of a few informal fallacies). In doing things this way, he makes it "about him" - and people react to that (including myself). It may not be positive, productive or pretty - but it is perfectly predictable. His demeanor does far more to discredit and distract attention away from otherwise sensible suggestions than that of anyone else around here.

I agree with everything you said. But, this isn't about Collins. Why would anyone want to harm Ron Paul or his campaign, just because they hate Collins? That was the post I first commented about. Collins can only get away with making any of this about him, if people accept it. I just think people are getting lost in the weeds and losing focus of the larger picture. Who cares about Collins? None of us gathered here for him. If we don't remember what that reason is very soon, the idea that this forum might achieve it's mission is all just a lost cause.

[LibertyEagle]

If anyone reading this thread now hasn't already learned the tools to win, without taking advice from Little Napoleon and Rothfeld then they're not 'learned' enough to understand the contents of the thread.

Been awhile since Ive seen you post LE. Everything good with you?

You're kidding, right? Most of the people who know no longer post here. Why would they? This place has devolved into an angry mob, apparently happy just to have a bitch fest on an increasingly obscure website.

[cajuncocoa]

I agree with everything you said. But, this isn't about Collins. Why would anyone want to harm Ron Paul or his campaign, just because they hate Collins? That was the post I first commented about. Collins can only get away with making any of this about him, if people accept it. I just think people are getting lost in the weeds and losing focus of the larger picture. Who cares about Collins? None of us gathered here for him. If we don't remember what that reason is very soon, the idea that this forum might achieve it's mission is all just a lost cause.

Where did anyone say they want to harm Ron Paul or his campaign?

[LibertyEagle]

You should know. Here's your maturity showing.

What's wrong? Too much truth for you? Or is it upsetting your politically-correct sensibilities? Too bad.





Notice the guys on the far left. lol. Pants up, don't loot. Looks pretty accurate to me.

[LibertyEagle]

Where did anyone say they want to harm Ron Paul or his campaign?

What do you think this rhetoric is?

The 2012 campaign was far more troubling for me. The campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots. If someone on the campaign payroll was....say, creating alternate identities in an effort to steer the funds and the messages that the internet forum grassroots were funding at the time, it would have been a pretty clear violation of campaign finance law.

[cajuncocoa]

What do you think this rhetoric is?

I can't speak for what Angela meant by that statement, but it raises a question: if the campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots, what was Matt even doing here? It seems Matt was putting the campaign in jeopardy by mingling with the grassroots. What about that??

[Anti Federalist]

I can't speak for what Angela meant by that statement, but it raises a question: if the campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots, what was Matt even doing here? It seems Matt was putting the campaign in jeopardy by mingling with the grassroots. What about that??

Could very well have been committing a federal felony.

[Matt Collins]

if the campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots, what was Matt even doing here?

It's not, you don't understand campaign finance law of course.

[cajuncocoa]

It's not, you don't understand campaign finance law of course.

I didn't claim to understand campaign finance law, of course. But if there's no problem, then I fail to see how Angela's statement could harm the campaign in any way as LE claimed. Can you shed some light on the subject since you're so knowledgable?

[acptulsa]

It's not, you don't understand campaign finance law of course.

It isn't completely forbidden, and the reason you're not taking the time right now to explain it to her is you're mighty fuzzy on it yourself. There were a few of us watching you like a hawk through 2012, which is why the mods were mysteriously able to shut you down quick a couple of times when you failed to toe that line.

And, no, I don't know enough about the statutes of limitation to even consider being specific so you can offer seven pages of denials and excuses.

I don't know what LE is talking about, either, cajun, but if it's still a secret it should be obvious that Matt wasn't involved.

[Natural Citizen]

I didn't claim to understand campaign finance law, of course. But if there's no problem, then I fail to see how Angela's statement could harm the campaign in any way as LE claimed. Can you shed some light on the subject since you're so knowledgable?

Leave it alone, cocoa.

[Deborah K]

Waving signs in the street is always a great way to recruit people to your cause...

Matt, you're so obvious, you're just embarrassing yourself now. Please. You're becoming cringe worthy.

[newbitech]

Waving signs in the street is always a great way to recruit people to your cause...

FIFY

[acptulsa]

Matt, you're so obvious, you're just embarrassing yourself now. Please. You're becoming cringe worthy.

A really good ventriloquist can make his puppet talk even while drinking a glass of water. But MC and LI are never, ever logged in at the same time. I wonder why that is...

[acptulsa]

You know, the use of proxies might stymie the mods due to lack of proof. Which is a shame, because if it can be proven LI is someone's sock puppet, the LI account isn't the only one likely to be permabanned.

But if you're convinced, consider this: No one cares about the welfare of a sock puppet account. So, don't negrep LI for those stupid and obnoxious posts--save that for the main account of the person you feel sure is talking through his sock.

[Matt Collins]

Matt, you're so obvious, you're just embarrassing yourself now. Please. You're becoming cringe worthy.

huh?