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    Quote Originally Posted by newbitech View Post
    yeah, the fake account is sending me link to ************ in my rep menu. who/what is the fake account?
    It's the same zio-shill group I mentioned several pages back in this thread that were working to co-opt the Liberty Candidates subforum (compromise, taftfan and others).

    eta: the censored stars are there but if quoted for a reply, the raw text is displayed. now that I see the link I can confirm it is the same zio-shill group. my concern is I suspect that group isn't just an independent bunch but rather is coordinated with the other shenanigans going on here like collins' nonsense and saber connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Stop changing the subject. Your post straight out said that you didn't give a flip about who you hurt, as long as you could dig a knife into Collins by doing it.

    It was stupid as all hell.

    What makes you think they did?
    Her post you originally quoted didn't say anything of the sort:
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The 2012 campaign was far more troubling for me. The campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots. If someone on the campaign payroll was....say, creating alternate identities in an effort to steer the funds and the messages that the internet forum grassroots were funding at the time, it would have been a pretty clear violation of campaign finance law.
    So, what are you talking about?

    And, she is talking about Matt Collins being paid by the campaign in 2012 (see: working for it), and posting messages here on the forums during the campaign. I thought it was understood that Matt Collins was the "netroots" guy and so trusted by Jesse Benton that Benton called Collins about Tom Woods, instead of calling Tom Woods directly?

    Again though, where did she say, "I don't give a flip about who I hurt, as long as I can dig a knife into Collins"? or, as you said she said, "Your post straight out said that you didn't give a flip about who you hurt"?????

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    Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later. What commercial for Ron Paul or direct mail piece is still generating stories seven years later. The first step toward winning a campaign is name ID. Since most voters never heard of Ron Paul, getting any attention was better than nothing.

    Once the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.

    What campaign events are still remembered from 2007/08?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primbs View Post
    Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later. What commercial for Ron Paul or direct mail piece is still generating stories seven years later. The first step toward winning a campaign is name ID. Since most voters never heard of Ron Paul, getting any attention was better than nothing.

    One the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.

    What campaign events are still remembered from 2007/08?
    The grassroots Tea Party is still being remembered from 2007 and 2008, co-opted, but still remembered.

  6. #935
    Quote Originally Posted by jjdoyle View Post
    The grassroots Tea Party is still being remembered from 2007 and 2008, co-opted, but still remembered.
    Not the event. Just the name.

    No, I think it's safe to say Matt Officially Disapproved of the campaign marketing ploy of the millenium.

    Does anyone remember any of the marketing ploys he did approve of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Not the event. Just the name.

    No, I think it's safe to say Matt Officially Disapproved of the campaign marketing ploy of the millenium.

    Does anyone remember any of the marketing ploys he did approve of?
    I think Collins is jealous that the blimp wasn't his idea and he can't take credit for it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I think Collins is jealous that the blimp wasn't his idea and he can't take credit for it.
    I think the fact that we're rude enough to keep bumping this thread is the only thing stopping him from taking credit for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primbs View Post
    Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later.
    First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.

    Secondly, so what? How does it affect the amount of people voting for Rand?

    Answer: it doesn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Primbs View Post
    One the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.
    Correct, but mass marketing is one of the least efficient, most expensive, least effective ways to do it. Direct marketing targeted to likely voters is the way to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.
    First of all, that's the same thing. And it got more than one mention. And for He Who Must Not Be Named one mention was one hell of a victory--like putting one little hole in a big dam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Secondly, so what? How does it affect the amount of people voting for Rand?

    Answer: it doesn't.
    What did the official campaign do that is still working eight years later, and for another candidate?

    Well then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Correct, but mass marketing is one of the least efficient, most expensive, least effective ways to do it. Direct marketing targeted to likely voters is the way to do it.
    You surely do love spouting opinion as fact. Did you forget that the opinion you spouted as fact in the OP of this very thread has been soundly and completely disproven? Or are you just going to keep blindly denying all the contrary proof we shovel at your feet until you're buried in it?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-11-2014 at 09:22 AM.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    The blimp was one of the best marketing ploys to come out of the cycle if not the millennium. I remember discussing politics with some people from work in the break room one day and I mentioned Ron's name. The first thing out of their mouths were. Oh yeah he's the guy with the blimp. Teh Collinz is a total fail. Neg rep to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.
    Wow, you really ARE jealous, aren't you?

    I don't think anyone was suggesting that the blimp "generated" the Time article but the fact that it got a mention in the article all these years later shows just how effective it was. Why don't you just suck it up and give props to the person who had the idea? You can do it! A really good leader knows how to recognize others on the team when they do well. The blimp was genius.

  14. #942
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Secondly, so what? How does it affect the amount of people voting for Rand?

    Answer: it doesn't.
    Yeah, it kinda does.

    You see, Rand was elected to the Senate with a lot of help from his father's grassroots' supporters. That blimp helped to build name recognition and grow the base of grassroots support. The more grassroots support Ron had, the more donations Rand had when he ran for the Senate.

    If Rand wasn't a Senator today, what would his chances be for 2016?

  15. #943
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.
    That's a pretty fine hair to split coming from the same guy who claims that losing is actually wiinning ...
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  16. #944
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    First of all, that's the same thing.
    No it's not... the poster said that the blimp generated press (which it did at the time, but didn't do anything electorally) and that the Time article was an example. No, the Time article would've been written anyway, but the blimp was mentioned, it didn't generate the article.



    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What did the official campaign do that is still working eight years later, and for another candidate?
    Build lists.
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  18. #945
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    The blimp was one of the best marketing ploys to come out of the cycle if not the millennium. I remember discussing politics with some people from work in the break room one day and I mentioned Ron's name. The first thing out of their mouths were. Oh yeah he's the guy with the blimp. Teh Collinz is a total fail. Neg rep to him.
    Did that guy vote for Ron?

    How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...
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  19. #946
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    You see, Rand was elected to the Senate with a lot of help from his father's grassroots' supporters. That blimp helped to build name recognition and grow the base of grassroots support. The more grassroots support Ron had, the more donations Rand had when he ran for the Senate.

    If Rand wasn't a Senator today, what would his chances be for 2016?
    Fair point except that the blimp had no quantifiable effect on Ron's success....
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  20. #947
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Did that guy vote for Ron?

    How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...
    As a matter of fact the whole room...and there were many in there at the time, ended up after they researched his positions, voting for Ron. Many even joined meetups and sign waved for him. So take your logical fallacy bull$#@! elsewhere.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

  21. #948
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...
    How many votes did direct marketing get Ron? Please quantify that for me ...

    (And we'll just set aside the unedifying possibility that the only actually quantifiable thing about your beloved direct marketing is how much money it brought in for Ron Paul Inc., rather than how many votes it brought in for Ron Paul ...)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 12-11-2014 at 03:06 PM. Reason: Ane --> And

  22. #949
    Me thinks Teh Collinz is getting paid per post on the forums from some sweetheart deal.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

  23. #950
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Fair point except that the blimp had no quantifiable effect on Ron's success....
    Can we quantify how many votes your forty thousand forum posts got Ron Paul?

    Don't forget to subtract all the people you've alienated before you do that long division, now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Me thinks Teh Collinz is getting paid per post on the forums from some sweetheart deal.
    Seems that way, doesn't it?

    No, I think he's actually bumping this proof of his lack of vision and his you-chase-more-flies-away-with-vinegar posting style in the belief that some potential future employer will be impressed with his spin and his undying loyalty.

    I'd wish him luck with that but I don't see how luck could ever get him out of the hole he's digging himself into unless his shovel breaks. Maybe God will have pity on him and cause his internet provider to go out of business.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-11-2014 at 10:58 AM.
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  24. #951
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Fair point except that the blimp had no quantifiable effect on Ron's success....
    Which also means it could have brought in a few million votes....maybe more.

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    why is collins here?......


    seriously...Bryan?...mods?....

    maybe Jesus has the answer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Primbs View Post
    Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later. What commercial for Ron Paul or direct mail piece is still generating stories seven years later. The first step toward winning a campaign is name ID. Since most voters never heard of Ron Paul, getting any attention was better than nothing.

    One the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.

    What campaign events are still remembered from 2007/08?
    So nice to see you again, Primbs. Primbs btw, was very instrumental in helping me with Revolution March. Now this is a man who knows his $#@!! Mad props to ya, G.
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    Well Jesus would say to him:
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

  29. #955
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Did that guy vote for Ron?

    How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...
    The only votes that I can quantify that Ron got from anything I did was the votes he got from my campaigning with disgruntled democrats. In 2012 I know of at least 8 people who crossed over and voted for Ron in the primary. Yes they were all my family, but a vote is a vote. In 2007 I convinced a total stranger who was black in a predominately black neighborhood to vote for Ron. Sadly she ultimately couldn't because it was too late for her to register to vote in the primary. I chronicled what happened here.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...umping+station

    I did a lot of stuff the campaign asked me to do from donating money to phone banking to going door to door to collecting signatures to manning tables at conservative events. I can't quantify votes from any of that activity. The smart money says that the blimp got Ron's face on TV and that was the first impression that some people who eventually voted for Ron Paul got. It's called "filling the funnel." You know, the stuff Anita Andrews talked about years ago? Lot's of ways to do that.
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  30. #956
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Me thinks Teh Collinz is getting paid per post on the forums from some sweetheart deal.
    HA, if only...
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  31. #957
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    How many votes did direct marketing get Ron? Please quantify that for me ...
    Hundreds of thousands...

    I don't have the exact numbers outside of Minnesota, but voter ID and contact is how elections are won. That is direct marketing.
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  32. #958
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    HA, if only...
    You moved a thread which highlights your own failure to recognize a damned good idea as such right to the top of its subforum and 'New Posts' for this non-denial denial of what was obviously nothing but a joke. Yet you can't for the life of you understand why nearly all of us have come to question your judgment.

    If you hadn't driven from me long ago any capacity I might have had for feeling sorry for you, I'd probably stop laughing and be sad about it...

    Your logical fallacy is you're too arrogant to realize that every human has to, sooner or later, cut his losses.

    Every time this thread is bumped, you beat a dead horse some more and seventeen people beat you some more. How are you winning this through stubbornness again? Go ahead--it's not a rhetorical question. I'd love to see your answer. It might turn out to be your best punchline yet.
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  33. #959
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Hundreds of thousands...

    I don't have the exact numbers outside of Minnesota, but voter ID and contact is how elections are won. That is direct marketing.
    And so the exact Minnesota numbers are.....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #960
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And so the exact Minnesota numbers are.....?
    LOL Pity the poor fools who decide they must make the claim that something with about a billion totally random variables is an exact science.

    Yes, Matt. Let's see your ironclad and confirmable quantification.
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