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    Ron Paul to be marquee speaker at Canada's premier gathering of Conservatives [Friday 3/8]


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVlsFCgMJRI

    Former Republican presidential candidate and libertarian Ron Paul will be the marquee speaker at Canada's premier gathering of Conservatives next month, a figure that even organizers bill as controversial.

    Paul will speak to the Manning Centre for Building Democracy's networking conference, an event that in the past has drawn Prime Minister Stephen Harper and many of his key cabinet members and advisers.

    Paul is staunchly anti-abortion, anti-gun control, and opposed to President Barack Obama's healthcare reform. The 77-year-old has advocated for an end to Medicare and Medicaid in the United States.

    A Texan, Paul is a former doctor turned congressman and currently the chairman of the Campaign for Liberty.
    http://www.canada.com/Libertarian+Pa...239/story.html

    mod, adding event info:

    Friday March 8
    Gatineau Salon: Ron Paul
    9:15 am – 10:20 am
    A physician by training, Congressman Ron Paul built a huge following among young online activists during the last Republican primaries. His speech will be followed by conversation with Preston Manning – making this MNC one to remember.

    Chair

    Preston Manning, President and CEO of the Manning Centre

    Speaker

    Ron Paul, Republican Primary Candidate
    Last edited by green73; 03-09-2013 at 10:33 AM.



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    My immediate reaction to the thread title, without reading the article:

    Canada must have REAL conservatives... not the kind of cowards we have here in the US.

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    Go Ron. Practice your new speech on someone. Knock them off their feet.

    Note how they put 'end to medicare' etc to scare people, not explaining that his 'end' would be generational, cutting other things to pay it for those who paid in (as best we can), but letting young people opt out.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 02-07-2013 at 04:27 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    My immediate reaction to the thread title, without reading the article:

    Canada must have REAL conservatives... not the kind of cowards we have here in the US.
    Canada's premier conservative think tank is the Fraser Institute, which is very pro-liberty and quite Austrian in economics.

    It depends, though. If you're talking about the federal Conservative Party, they're mostly neoconservatives and what in the US would be 'moderate' Republicans. They have a few good pro-liberty MP's but I'd say it's only around 5.

    Alberta's Progressive Conservative Party is decent and have been in power since 1971. The great thing is they're now challenged by the Wildrose Party which is very libertarian and fiscal conservative.
    Last edited by Confederate; 02-07-2013 at 04:40 PM.

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    here is the longer version of the story. It is AP of course, and they never have liked him.

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/02/06/r...ive-gathering/
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    The Progressive Conservatives these days are largely a bunch of neo-cons stuck in the early 2000s, back when their buddies Bush and Blair were in power. Big on being "tough on crime", "fighting terrorists", "cutting taxes (but not spending!)", etc, tiptoeing around our mess of a healthcare system, not seriously cutting spending, and pushing anti-civil liberty bills left and right. Back in the day there were a fair number of Canadian libertarians with some influence, but then the conservatives all but tossed us out and Stephen Harper made a point of attacking libertarians, so a lot have gone into a sort of political hibernation. There are some decent conservatives though, mostly in Alberta's provincial legislature. I'm quite surprised they'd invite Ron Paul to their little club, though, so maybe they're changing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Last Battle! View Post
    The Progressive Conservatives these days are largely a bunch of neo-cons stuck in the early 2000s, back when their buddies Bush and Blair were in power. Big on being "tough on crime", "fighting terrorists", "cutting taxes (but not spending!)", etc, tiptoeing around our mess of a healthcare system, not seriously cutting spending, and pushing anti-civil liberty bills left and right. Back in the day there were a fair number of Canadian libertarians with some influence, but then the conservatives all but tossed us out and Stephen Harper made a point of attacking libertarians, so a lot have gone into a sort of political hibernation. There are some decent conservatives though, mostly in Alberta's provincial legislature. I'm quite surprised they'd invite Ron Paul to their little club, though, so maybe they're changing?
    maybe it's a fundraiser and they want attendance...
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Very excited about this. It's 2 hours away driving, but I'm gonna try to get a few locals to go.
    "There was madness in any direction, at any hour. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning.

    And that I think, was the handle. That sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave." ~ HST



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    Quote Originally Posted by SneakyFrenchSpy View Post
    Very excited about this. It's 2 hours away driving, but I'm gonna try to get a few locals to go.

    excellent!!!
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    I think this is fantastic. I hope Ron preps for it as if he were still on campaign. I wonder if there will be a livestream or ability to get a copy?
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Not sure if the date/time of Ron's speech has been posted but here's the info:

    March 8, 2013
    9:15 - 10:20 am ET

    Ottawa Convention Centre
    55 Colonel By Drive
    Ottawa, Ontario K1N9J2

    http://mnc2013.ca/ai1ec_event/ron-paul/?instance_id=152

    Registration info:
    http://mnc2013.ca/register/

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    Maybe I will hop on a train and go to this. I'm in Windsor Ontario. Who else might be going?

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    There's a guy higher in the thread going, and maybe bringing people....
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    BRRRRR !! Canada..in March.. for a Texan

    hope he has snow boots and woolies

    I have a friend in a suburb or Toronto that he affectionatly refers to as Scarberia.. I'll give him a heads up.. maybe he'll bring his boys (all in their 30s)
    Disclaimer: any post made after midnight and before 8AM is made before the coffee dip stick has come up to optomim level - expect some level of silliness,

    The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are out numbered by those who vote for a living !!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
    BRRRRR !! Canada..in March.. for a Texan

    hope he has snow boots and woolies

    I have a friend in a suburb or Toronto that he affectionatly refers to as Scarberia.. I'll give him a heads up.. maybe he'll bring his boys (all in their 30s)
    That would be "Scarborough" also known as "The Scar". If I do go, I hope to meet as many RPFers and their associates as possible. I'm 31.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Petar View Post
    Maybe I will hop on a train and go to this. I'm in Windsor Ontario. Who else might be going?
    Wow. Two Windsorite Ron Paul supporters? I'm surprised.
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    My buddy in Scarberia said

    Actually, I would go to hear Ron Paul speak. I have a lot of respect for the man. The only problem is Ottawa. Its in the lousiest part of Ontario during winter. If one snowflake falls in Canada, it will fall in Ottawa. We moved the capital there centuries ago so the Americans couldn't find it during the war of 1812 (which we won, btw). Its about a 5 hour drive from here. Uphill - both ways!
    Disclaimer: any post made after midnight and before 8AM is made before the coffee dip stick has come up to optomim level - expect some level of silliness,

    The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are out numbered by those who vote for a living !!!!!!!

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    I'll bump the companion thread for this one
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    I am too far away from where the convention is so i'll just watch Sun News Network (Canadian Fox news) to see if there are any interviews with their commentators/reporters.

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    BRRRRR !! Canada..in March.. for a Texan

    hope he has snow boots and woolies
    He has those L.L.Bean clothes he got in Maine during the primary campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinnuhana View Post
    He has those L.L.Bean clothes he got in Maine during the primary campaign.
    He looked like he was wearing a warm up jacket.



    Last edited by sailingaway; 03-01-2013 at 08:19 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Aren't those Canadian undergarments?
    Disclaimer: any post made after midnight and before 8AM is made before the coffee dip stick has come up to optomim level - expect some level of silliness,

    The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are out numbered by those who vote for a living !!!!!!!

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    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    Canada's premier conservative think tank is the Fraser Institute, which is very pro-liberty and quite Austrian in economics.

    It depends, though. If you're talking about the federal Conservative Party, they're mostly neoconservatives and what in the US would be 'moderate' Republicans. They have a few good pro-liberty MP's but I'd say it's only around 5.

    Alberta's Progressive Conservative Party is decent and have been in power since 1971. The great thing is they're now challenged by the Wildrose Party which is very libertarian and fiscal conservative.
    A lot of the "libertarian" MPs are 'socially liberal, fiscally moderate-conservative" Jon Huntsman types like Rona Ambrose. There is 1 really good guy, Ontario MP Scott Reid, but he's the only true Austrian libertarian in the Conservative Party. Luckily, he's in quite a senior position within the party.

    Like Cato, Fraser is good, but Koch-backed, which personally I don't mind, but I know a lot of people dislike.



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    What I would really like to see, and am hoping they will livestream for a fee or not, is Ron's debate/discussion with Manning, an ex Canadian prime minister Reform leader, and past Leader of the Opposition in Parliament, which is scheduled after Ron's speech. I want to see the speech too, of course, but the q and as and discussions are always the best part.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 03-02-2013 at 12:34 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    What I would really like to see, and am hoping they will livestream for a fee or not, is Ron's debate/discussion with Manning, an ex Canadian prime minister, which is scheduled after Ron's speech. I want to see the speech too, of course, but the q and as and discussions are always the best part.
    He was the PM? I thought he was just the Reform leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    He was the PM? I thought he was just the Reform leader.
    Now that you mention it, I'm thinking back.... I read in an article that he was PM, but the source may have been wrong. I'll try to find it.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    well, I haven't found what I read before but in any event you are right, he was reform leader not PM, so I will correct that.....

    Manning was elected to the House of Commons in the 1993 federal election as the MP for Calgary Southwest. Reform had a major breakthrough in this election, winning 52 seats. Of those, 51 were in Western Canada (the other being Simcoe Centre in Ontario), where the party's strong performance was largely because the Progressive Conservatives' support in that region transferred almost en masse. Literally overnight, Manning found himself as the leader of the major right-wing party in Canada.

    Despite finishing second in the popular vote, Reform came up three seats short of becoming the Official Opposition, largely because the sovereigntist Bloc Québécois' concentration of support in Quebec was slightly larger than Reform's concentration of support in the West. However, the Liberal government under Jean Chrétien characterized Manning and Reform as their main opponent on non-Quebec matters. In 1995 when Bloc leader Lucien Bouchard's position as Opposition Leader granted him a meeting with visiting US President Bill Clinton, Manning was also given a meeting with Clinton in order to diffuse Bouchard's separatist leverage.[4]

    In the 1997 election, the party won the second-most seats in the Commons, with Manning becoming the Leader of the Opposition.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Manning
    Last edited by sailingaway; 03-02-2013 at 12:33 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    An NDP (democratic socialist) MP attacks Ron Paul.

    http://news.yahoo.com/controversial-...233627550.html
    OTTAWA - Former Republican presidential candidate and libertarian Ron Paul will be the marquee speaker at Canada's premier gathering of Conservatives next month, a figure that even organizers bill as controversial.

    Paul will speak to the Manning Centre for Building Democracy's networking conference, an event that in the past has drawn Prime Minister Stephen Harper and many of his key cabinet members and advisers.

    Paul, referred to by some pundits as the real inspiration behind the Tea Party movement in the United States, is one of the foremost voices for small government — including eliminating foreign aid, the education department, key social programs and the war on drugs.

    He is staunchly anti-abortion, anti-gun control, and opposed to President Barack Obama's health-care reform. The 77-year-old has advocated for an end to Medicare and Medicaid in the United States.

    A Texan, Paul is a former doctor turned congressman and currently the chairman of the Campaign for Liberty. He was able to assemble a loyal following over the course of two Republican races in 2008 and 2011, notably with the use of the Internet.

    "We oppose the dehumanizing assumption that all issues that divide us must be settled at the federal level and forced on every American community, whether by activist judges, a power-hungry executive, or a meddling Congress," says the campaign's website.

    "We believe in the humane alternative of local self-government, as called for in our Constitution."

    Olivier Ballou, a spokesman for the Manning Centre, said centre president Preston Manning himself will engage in an on-stage discussion with Paul following the former presidential candidate's speech.

    "He's definitely our biggest attraction and source of controversy," Ballou said. "He's one of those guys that people either love him or hate him. It's fascinating since we announced him seeing the debates online."

    On the Manning Centre's Facebook page, commenters were divided about the wisdom of having Paul speak at the conference.

    "Ron Paul is a fool who will only discredit this fine attempt at preparing conservative minds for the future," read one post.

    "Ron Paul is the best politician in the U.S.A., the real deal. Very smart man, can't believe he isn't President he's so smart," said another.

    Conservative parliamentarians who are on the schedule for the conference were markedly terse in their reaction to Paul's participation.

    "I actually have heard him speak in the past, and while I disagree with what he says on occasion, I'll defend to the death his right to say it," said Treasury Board President Tony Clement.

    "The Manning Centre conference has a history of bringing up a wide variety of different speakers to appeal to a wide variety of different audiences, so I don't think that'll be any different this time around," said Calgary MP Michelle Rempel.

    Although there are many libertarians in the ranks of the Conservative party, including Harper himself, Paul's small government is a different breed than that expressed publicly by Conservatives in power. Universal health care, official languages policy and supply management are just three areas that would be anathema to Paul's positions.

    Participants might more in common in another speaker — former Australian prime minister John Howard. Some in Harper's team borrowed liberally from Howard's campaign and communications style over the years.

    Opposition MPs said it's telling that Paul was selected to speak to Canada's top Conservatives.

    "We know that the right in Canada are getting loonier all the time, but I think it's very telling that they're bringing in Mr. Ron Paul," said NDP ethics critic Charlie Angus.

    "Mr. Ron Paul is a marginal figure in the United States where the right are extremely right wing, so the Harperites think they're going to learn lessons from him? It might show an indication of where their backbench is certainly wanting to go."


    Said Liberal MP Francis Scarpaleggia: "I don't understand what wisdom Mr. Paul can bring to the Canadian setting. We're a very different country with very different issues."

    Paul courted controversy earlier this week when he tweeted that the "death of a former NAVY Seal at a shooting range confirmed that 'he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.’ Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn’t make sense."'

    Paul is strongly non-interventionist when it comes to American military activities, and voted against the war in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    An NDP (democratic socialist) MP attacks Ron Paul.

    http://news.yahoo.com/controversial-...233627550.html
    Yeah, the left isn't happy about this. Ron steals people they consider to be 'theirs', because he actually has a plan to reach goals, not just wave them as bait to get votes.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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