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    Should the US Government Buy Only US Made Products?

    Its a simple question. Why or Why Not?
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    If we are the government and we say they should buy only from us, then they should only buy from us.

    We are suppose to have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. However instead we have a government of the people, by the elite, and for the elite.
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    I am in favor of something like this - but ONLY for government. Government should have to abide by rules the rest of us do not. I don't really think the US Gov 'buying American' will make any kind of real difference, it's more about any excuse to chain government down and put them under the control of the people. Also, if there were going to be any sort of protectionist economic stimuli stuff, this has to be one of the more harmless ones.

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    Yes
    1. They break less
    2. It'd be government waste that at least helps keep people employed
    3. The problem would be further solved if the US took protectionary measures for our manufacturers, and logically eased some pollution laws. I don't like pollution and poisoning waterways but it isn't like the Chinese-made equivalent is made the "green way"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Should the US Government Buy Only US Made Products?

    Its a simple question. Why or Why Not?
    yes, because keeping money flowing domestically will keep American jobs, prop up high wages, preserve consumer prices, decrease trade debt and increase inflation, that's exactly what we want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrokHead View Post
    Yes
    1. They break less
    they don't break less just because they're made in US. They break less because either they cost more to make, have pressure to make quality products from regulation or market or lawsuits.

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    Define "US-made," since most of the products you are thinking of are either made with foreign materials, assembled from parts made overseas, managed by companies based overseas, manufactured using foreign-made machines, or overseen using computers/tablets from foreign companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    Define "US-made," since most of the products you are thinking of are either made with foreign materials, assembled from parts made overseas, managed by companies based overseas, manufactured using foreign-made machines, or overseen using computers/tablets from foreign companies.
    How about, at least assembly and packaging has to be done in US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    How about, at least assembly and packaging has to be done in US?
    That's all that's required to get the cute little sticker that says "Made in the USA" right now.

    Pretty meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    I am in favor of something like this - but ONLY for government. Government should have to abide by rules the rest of us do not. I don't really think the US Gov 'buying American' will make any kind of real difference, it's more about any excuse to chain government down and put them under the control of the people. Also, if there were going to be any sort of protectionist economic stimuli stuff, this has to be one of the more harmless ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    That's all that's required to get the cute little sticker that says "Made in the USA" right now.

    Pretty meaningless.
    but better than nothing.

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    Yes they should. They are using our tax dollars and if they are going to extract our money by force, it damn sure should stay in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yes they should. They are using our tax dollars and if they are going to extract our money by force, it damn sure should stay in the country.
    what happens when government spends money domestically? (hint : the same thing that happens when government prints money or gives back tax returns or stops fighting wars)

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    The government shouldn't be buying any products.

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    It would be a pretty dreary place if you could only buy only what you could make with your own hands. The market system rewards those who produce the best quality at the least expenditure of scarce resources.

    The "Buy American" nonsense is really nothing more than a plea to bail out the governments tremendously burdensome tax and regulatory mistakes. It saves the bureaucracy who live off of evermore restrictions to personal liberty and productivity.

    Taxes and regulation are nothing but euphemisms for theft. The harshest and most vicious regulation will always be a freely buying consumer.

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    How would this idea save the American taxpayers money?

    I'd rather Congress sit on cheapo plastic chairs made in China.
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    I'm a little surprised by some of thought processes in this thread. Have we not learned how trade creates wealth? Comparative advantage?

    Any entity, whether individual, corporation, charity, or even government, should buy goods wherever they can get the highest quality for the lowest price - regardless of where that may be. Government spending is already wealth dedstruction, we might as well make the destruction as limited as possible.

    (Strictly in terms of the government buying goods, though, I would have to think they'd get the best quality in the US. You can never tell what kind of bugs could be inserted into goods from overseas. Hell, we delivered smallpox blankets to the Indians.)
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    Not really sure if I want the government to look for cheaper ways to wage war, for example.

    Since we all know the only way these wars will end is by economic collapse, I suggest they continue spending $1000 on hammers.

    I know that's a grim way of looking at it, but let's be honest, the spending won't stop until there's nothing left to spend (or the dollar has been devalued to the point that we the people make them stop)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    I am in favor of something like this - but ONLY for government. Government should have to abide by rules the rest of us do not. I don't really think the US Gov 'buying American' will make any kind of real difference, it's more about any excuse to chain government down and put them under the control of the people. Also, if there were going to be any sort of protectionist economic stimuli stuff, this has to be one of the more harmless ones.
    What if these companies/corporations overprice items and services? What if the quality is not comaparable to others? This reeks of abuse and fraud. So, since corporations are people now they could contribute to a campaign which would favor thier company. This already happens I'm sure, what with lobbyist and campaign contributions. Not to mention it decreases competition in the market because government decides which companies or corporations to do business with. Again, probably those who line the pockets of government officals. I would also imagine the public service unions would back this idea right? you need to use the products or services of our union which forms the government or they go on strike and nothing gets done. I remember articles about the government purchasing $500 toilet seats.
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    The government can be required for all members to wear pink tutus and sing every word they speak for all I care.

    Some are saying that WE don;t get it, but I am rather convinced that THEY don't get it. The whole idea of American government is government lives by the rules we set, no mater how crazy or arbitrary, and we the people are the sovereigns and free.

    The more you restrict government, the more free the people are. It's axiomatic. So I say the more rules, and the more ridiculous those rules are, that we lodge AGAINST GOVERNMENT, the better.

    The full end of libertarian philosophy approaches technical anarchy with it's lack of government power and influence. Therefore I would say the MORE you constrict, limit, and control government, the MORE libertarian your society will become. Even if the rules you make the government follow are silly and ridiculous.

    So those of you who are trying to say that making the government jump through hoops to get anything done....is not libertarian....I would tell you that the LESS powerful government is, the MORE libertarian society will be, right across the board.

    Yes, I would even support making Congress wear shock collars that taze them whenever they punch the "yes" button. You can scream at me all you want how 'unlibertarian' that is, but I will be too busy enjoying the actual libertarian society that such a thing would help create to be bothered about stupid rules we lodge against the monsters who are destroying us.

    I am in favor of MORE arbitrary and ridiculous rules that force government to behave, and the more the better! If you lust after power and want to get into government to rule over people, then you had by god better be comfortable with wearing a pink tutu at a press conference and singing your damn answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    What if these companies/corporations overprice items and services? What if the quality is not comaparable to others? This reeks of abuse and fraud. So, since corporations are people now they could contribute to a campaign which would favor thier company. This already happens I'm sure, what with lobbyist and campaign contributions. Not to mention it decreases competition in the market because government decides which companies or corporations to do business with. Again, probably those who line the pockets of government officals. I would also imagine the public service unions would back this idea right? you need to use the products or services of our union which forms the government or they go on strike and nothing gets done. I remember articles about the government purchasing $500 toilet seats.
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    Bad idea...

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    Fascinating thread.A question that may have no correct answer.If the people who have commented here were all in congress, we would all be better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Should the US Government Buy Only US Made Products?

    Its a simple question. Why or Why Not?
    We should do exactly what the Federal Reserve tells us to do.
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    The government should let everyone everywhere bid on their contracts. If an American company doesn't win, the government should not buy the item, have an independent analysis conducted to find out why the American companies in the field can't compete, and if government and it's goofy assed regulations is found to be the problem, they should be required to fix the problem and then put the contract up for bids again. If they can't fix the problem, they shouldn't have the contract filled at all, even if it means their cars or computers or copiers or whatever konk out on them and they have to do without.
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    what if americans demanded too high a price as a racket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    what if americans demanded too high a price as a racket?
    Then the government would be able to do a lot less, and I assume most of us would be cheering that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    what if americans demanded too high a price as a racket?
    All of us?

    If there's only one American company that can bid, then someone has gotten themselves a monopoly. And who do you think created the policies that led to that company being able to have a monopoly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Should the US Government Buy Only US Made Products?

    Its a simple question. Why or Why Not?
    This is the wrong question to ask. It should be "Should the US Government buy anything?" The answer is no. They should ask for donations. (the IRS already has a mechanism for "patriotic donations") In reality, the government doesn't buy anything (at least not at this point in time)-they use credit, with citizens and holders of US debt paying for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    All of us?

    If there's only one American company that can bid, then someone has gotten themselves a monopoly. And who do you think created the policies that led to that company being able to have a monopoly?
    This too.

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