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    Default Israel Strikes Convoy on Lebanon/Syria Border

    http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=301528
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90T0K120130130


    (Reuters) - Israeli forces attacked a convoy on the Syrian-Lebanese border overnight, a Western diplomat and regional security sources said on Wednesday, as concern has grown in the Jewish state over the fate of Syrian chemical and advanced conventional weapons.

    The sources, four in total, all of whom declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue, had no further information about what the vehicles may have been carrying, what forces were used or where precisely the attack happened.
    In the run-up to the raid, Israeli officials have been warning very publicly of a threat of high-tech anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles reaching Israel's enemies in the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah from Syria. They have also echoed U.S. concerns about Syria's presumed chemical weapons arsenal.
    The Lebanese army reported a heavy presence of Israeli jets over its territory throughout the night.

    Iran, Israel's arch-foe and one of Damascus's few allies, said on Saturday it would consider any attack on Syria as an attack on itself.
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    So that pretty well eliminates the chance of Israel being attacked for no reason.

    as if there were not dozens of valid reasons already.
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    And when/if Israel is blowbacked.. it'll be 'poor them'.

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    Watch for chemical weapons some where in the vicinity.
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    So if Syrian retaliates to defend itself.. then Syria is the bad guy?

    Syria is probably busy trying to fight the rebels. Syria is probably low on weapons and ammo to bother giving weapons and ammo to Lebanese Hezbolla.

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    Syria says Israel hit a military research center so we'll see who we should believe.
    ...but when the trumpets blew again and the knights charged, the name they cried was "Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!"

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    Exactly. From a political stand point, Israel just shot itself in the foot.

    Aweful, aweful decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    So that pretty well eliminates the chance of Israel being attacked for no reason.

    as if there were not dozens of valid reasons already.
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    And the elephant in the room is that "Israel" has occupied the Golan Heights since taking it in 1967. Moshe Dayan, Israel "Defense" minister during the 6 day war in 1967:

    I made a mistake in allowing the Israel conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time [fourth day of the war].
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_D...War_.281967.29
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    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...emium-1.500315
    Lebanon Army: Israeli fighter planes penetrated Lebanese air space

    Lebanese media says Israel Air Force jets entered air space in south, then flew over number of areas in three separate missions; no confirmation of report, which comes days after after Netanyahu warned that Syrian chemical weapons could fall into Hezbollah hands in Lebanon.

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    Israel Air Force jets reportedly flew over Lebanon's air space in three separate missions late Tuesday and early Wednesday, Lebanese media reported. There was no confirmation of the report from Israel.

    A Lebanese army statement said that four Israeli planes entered Lebanese air space at 4:30 P.M. on Tuesday. They were replaced four hours later by another group of planes which flew over southern Lebanon until 2 A.M. A third mission then took over, finally leaving at 7:55 A.M. on Wednesday morning.
    The report comes just a few days after the Lebanon Army reported that the IAF had violated Lebanon's airspace on Saturday in four different incidents. The Lebanese newspaper The Daily Star reported that IAF fighter jets were seen flying around the Beka'a Valley.

    Also Saturday, the Lebanese daily Al-Mustaqbal said that an explosion struck a weapons storage facility in an area of southern Lebanon controlled by Hezbollah. The report was not confirmed by Lebanon's government or by the Lebanese army. The latter said it had conducted a number of controlled explosions on Saturday of munitions left over from the Second Lebanon War. According to the daily, the explosion took place in the small town of Machghara, located in the Beka'a Valley. It said that a cloud of smoke was seen rising from the site, which was quickly cordoned off by Hezbollah forces.

    On Sunday,
    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned his cabinet ministers of the risk that chemical weapons from Syria could be falling into the hands of Hezbollah in Lebanon.
    "It is necessary to look at our surroundings, both at what is happening with Iran and its proxies, and what is happening in other arenas - lethal weaponry in Syria, which is steadily breaking up," Netanyahu said during the weekly cabinet meeting in Jerusalem.

    The commander of the Israel Air Force, Major General Amir Eshel on Tuesday issued his own warning over the volatility of Syria and its weapons. Addressing the international space conference in Herzliya, Eshel described Syria as a "country falling apart", adding: "Nobody has any idea right now what is going to happen in Syria on the day after, and how the country is going to look. This [sectarian crisis] is happening in a place with a huge weapons arsenal, some of which are new and advanced, and some of which are not conventional."
    The "direct threats" against the Israeli front could come from far away, Eshel added, and could include ground, naval missiles, and air missiles, among other weapons.
    Following Netanyahu's warning about Syria this week, there has been an increased demand for gas mask kits among the Israeli public. The Israel Postal Company, which has been distributing the kits in the center of the country, says it has received double the number of requests since Netanyahu made his remarks on Sunday.
    Some 4,000 kits were distributed on Tuesday alone, compared to an average of 1,400 daily last week.
    Around 4,700,000 kits have been distributed in Israel in recent years, as part of a new government plan to equip the public. That program will end in a few months, and due to lack of budget, it is not clear when it will resume.
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    Israel violating Lebanese airspace is nothing new. They've never seriously respected it. Why else would Hezbollah be trying to smuggle SAMs into the country?
    ...but when the trumpets blew again and the knights charged, the name they cried was "Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    So that pretty well eliminates the chance of Israel being attacked for no reason.

    as if there were not dozens of valid reasons already.
    Yeah, Israel does the initial attacking, then when the people they attacked fight back it is headline news that the Muslims are attacking Israel again. Freedom of the press in America is only an illusion, at the highest levels it doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyJ View Post
    Yeah, Israel does the initial attacking, then when the people they attacked fight back it is headline news that the Muslims are attacking Israel again. Freedom of the press in America is only an illusion, at the highest levels it doesn't exist.
    But, but, the holocaust and anti-semitism. There. Now you can't gripe anymore.

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    Israeli Jets Bomb Syrian Military Site

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    In what was the first clear instance of aggression by Israel toward Syria, overnight Israeli jets conducted a bombing run over a military site in Syria, targeting what according to Israel was a military convoy heading to Lebanon. As Al Arabiya reports: "Israeli jets bombed a convoy on Syria's border with Lebanon on Wednesday, sources told Reuters, apparently targeting weapons destined for Hezbollah in what some called a warning to Damascus not to arm Israel's Lebanese enemy. "The target was a truck loaded with weapons, heading from Syria to Lebanon," said one Western diplomat, adding that the consignment may well have included anti-aircraft missiles. The overnight attack, which several sources placed on the Syrian side of the border, followed warnings from Israel that it was ready to act to prevent the revolt against President Bashar al-Assad leading to Syria's chemical weapons and modern rockets reaching either his Hezbollah allies or his Islamist enemies."



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    Israel faces repercussions of air strike on Syria


    Israel faces international criticism and threats of retaliation after Wednesday's bombing on the Syrian-Lebanese border, with Russia and the Arab League describing it as a violation of Syria's sovereignty. Syria and Iran threatened to respond to the military intervention, which was widely ascribed to Israeli forces.

    Warplanes targeted a "scientific research centre" near Damascus, according to Syrian state television. Other reports said a convoy believed to be carrying Russian-made anti-aircraft missiles across the border to Hezbollah in Lebanon was struck. The Israeli military declined to comment on the reports.

    A spokesman for the Arab League said the bombing was a "glaring violation" of Syria's sovereignty. The "silence of the international community about Israel's bombing of Syrian sites in the past encouraged it to carry out the new aggression, taking advantage of political and security deterioration in Syria," Nabil al-Arabi, the league's head, said.

    The Russian foreign ministry said: "If this information is confirmed, then we are dealing with unprovoked attacks on targets on the territory of a sovereign country, which blatantly violates the UN charter and is unacceptable, no matter the motives to justify it."

    Hezbollah, the Lebanese Islamic militia, pledged full solidarity with the Syrian regime, saying Israel had "perpetrated a barbaric attack".

    "In line with its inherent spirit of aggression and criminality, and in accordance with its policy of preventing any Arab or Islamic power from developing technological and military capabilities, Israel perpetrated a barbaric attack against a Syrian installation for scientific research on Syrian territory, causing the death of a number of Syrians, the injury of others, and the destruction of the installation," the Hezbollah statement read. Two people were killed and five wounded in the attack, according to Syrian state television.

    The Syrian ambassador to Lebanon, Ali Abdul-Karim Ali, said Damascus retained "the option... to retaliate". The Iranian deputy foreign minister, Hossein Amir Abdollahian, was quoted as saying the attack would have significant implications for Tel Aviv, which is within range of Hezbollah rockets.

    The US administration was warned of the attack, according to the New York Times.

    Israel continued to maintain an official silence on the air strike, following a pattern of previous military interventions attributed to its forces. Some analysts said this was to minimise the likelihood of retaliatory action.

    "Clearly someone attacked something on the Syrian-Lebanese border," said military expert Yossi Alpher. "But it's extremely important in these situations that Israel does everything possible to avoid being accredited with these actions. There's a danger of retaliatory action, whether by Syria or Hezbollah."

    Alpher said he was "not in the least surprised" by the attack. In the past few days, high-level Israeli emissaries have been despatched to Washington and Moscow, while warnings that weapons, both chemical and conventional, could reach Hezbollah or jihadists inside Syria had become more shrill. "Anyone who puts two and two together is likely to come to this conclusion [that Israel was responsible]," Alpher said.

    Gerald Steinberg, of the Begin-Sadat Centre for Strategic Studies, said Israel's political, military and intelligence leadership would have made careful calculations about the risks of retaliation before ordering air strikes. "This is a government that is very focused on rational cost-benefit analyses. There is no question in my mind that they would have calculated the risks. The costs of not acting would be deemed to be greater than the potential repercussions," he said.

    Israel, he added, had "not acted nor spoken publicly about the upheaval in Syria for almost two years. If something has changed, it's because something has changed on the ground."

    Amid confusion over the target or targets of the air strike, reports suggested that a convoy carrying conventional weapons, most likely Russian-made SA-17 anti-aircraft missiles, from Syria to Hezbollah depots in Lebanon was targeted.

    "These are game-changing weapons," said Miri Eisin, a former Israeli military intelligence officer. Syria, she said, had received cutting-edge military hardware from Russia, including anti-tank and anti-aircraft surface-to-air missiles. "These are some of the most advanced technologies. If they go to Hezbollah - a non-state terror actor on Israel's border - that's a game-changer. Then you are going to prefer pre-emptive action."

    The pre-dawn air strike on the Syrian-Lebanese border closely followed reports of intensive sorties by Israeli military planes. United Nations forces on the Israel-Lebanon border "recorded a high number of Israeli overflights throughout the day and the night", UN spokesman Andrea Tenenti told the Guardian.

    UN forces had no evidence of illegal weapons or increased Hezbollah presence in their area of operations, close to the border with Israel. "We haven't seen any suspicious activities in the south," he said.
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