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    Ron Paul's Texas Straight talk 2/28/2013: Undeclared war in Mali is due to Libya blowback



    Ron Paul ‏@RonPaul

    The TST for this week has been recorded on 888 322 1414. Subject:US Action in Mali is another undeclared War.


    https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/295588958421790720

    President Obama last week began his second term by promising that “a decade of war is now ending.” As he spoke, the US military was rapidly working its way into another war, this time in the impoverished African country of Mali. As far as we know, the US is only providing transport and intelligence assistance to France, which initiated the intervention then immediately called Washington for back-up and funding. However, even if US involvement is limited, and, as Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said, US boots on the ground are not being considered “at this time,” this clearly is developing into another war. As usual, the mission is creeping.

    Within the first week of French military action in Mali, the promise that it would be a quick operation to put down an Islamic rebel advance toward the capitol was broken. France announced that it would be forced to send in thousands of troops and would need to remain far longer than the few weeks it initially claimed would be necessary.

    Media questions as to whether the US has Special Operations forces, drones, or CIA paramilitary units active in Mali are unanswered by the Administration. Congress has asked few questions and demanded few answers from the president. As usual, it was not even consulted. But where does the president get the authority to become a co-combatant in French operations in Mali, even if US troops are not yet overtly involved in the attack?

    How did we get to Mali? Blowback and unintended consequences played key roles. When the president decided to use the US military to attack Libya in 2011, Congress was not consulted. The president claimed that UN and NATO authority for the use of US military force were sufficient and even superior to any kind of Congressional declaration. Congress once again relinquished its authority, but also its oversight power, by remaining silent. That meant the difficult questions such as why is the action necessary, what would it entail, and what kind of unintended consequences might we see if the operation does not go exactly as planned, were neither asked nor answered.

    When Gaddafi was overthrown in Libya, many fighters from Mali who had lived in Libya and been trained by Gaddafi’s military returned to their home country with sophisticated weapons and a new determination to continue their fight for independence for northern Mali. Thus the France-initiated action against Libya in 2011 led to new violence and instability in Mali that France decided it must also address. Shortly after the French attack on Mali, rebels in Algeria attacked a BP gas facility in retaliation for their government’s decision to allow foreign military to fly over Algerian territory en route to Mali. Thus the action in Mali to solve the crisis created by the prior action in Libya is turning into a new crisis in Algeria. This is the danger of interventionism and, as we saw in Vietnam more than four decades ago, it threatens to drag the US further into the conflict. And Congress is AWOL.

    There is a reason why the framers of our Constitution placed the authority to declare war strictly with the Legislative Branch of government. They knew well that kings were all too willing to go to war without the consent of those who would do the killing and dying — and funding. By placing that authority in Congress, the people’s branch of government, they intended to blunt the executive branch’s enthusiasm toward overseas adventurism. The consequences of this steady erosion of our system toward the unitary executive are dire.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 01-29-2013 at 12:01 AM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden



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    bump for video

    And watch for Algeria, next, he suggests.

    Good video.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 01-28-2013 at 12:44 AM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    The New American has been investigating the events in Mali.


    Without Congress, Obama Administration Joins War in Mali
    17 January 2013

    The Obama administration pledged again this week to continue supporting the United Nations-approved war on rebels in Mali currently being led by France.

    France Bombs Mali While Backing Jihad Elsewhere
    14 January 2013

    The new socialist French government has just launched a series of military attacks against Muslim rebels who seized control of northern Mali with help from other Western powers.

    Despite Arrest of Prime Minister, UN Plot to Invade Mali Advances
    17 December 2012

    The interim Prime Minister of Mali, installed after a coup, was forced to resign, with a new Western-backed interim Prime Minister taking his place, and the possibility of a UN invasion grows.

    Obama to Help UN Invade Mali
    09 November 2012

    The Obama administration has thrown its support behind an upcoming United Nations-orchestrated invasion of northern Mali, with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton traveling the region prodding assorted African regimes into supporting and supplying troops for the controversial scheme.

    Mali: Target of UN's Sovereignty-stealing "Responsibility to Protect" Doctrine
    13 October 2012

    The United Nations is looking to Mali as the next test case for its Right to Protect doctrine.

    UN Plotting Invasion of Northern Mali
    10 October 2012

    To deal with the fallout from Libya and Ivory Coast, the UN is planning to invade Mali to stop radicals there.
    Last edited by FrankRep; 01-28-2013 at 01:14 AM.
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    It is possible that one of the US refueling planes (i hope not, because that would mean our airmen would die...) that are refueling french bombers may get hit by one of those Libyan surface to air heat seeking missiles that al aqaeda now has.

    When that happens there will be an excuse to go in, especially if its to rescue the downed crew.. which means soldiers will die or get injured and itll snowball.

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    bump for transcript.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Fight for independence. Ron, sir, your balls are composed of a material harder than steel.
    Best of luck in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolil View Post
    Fight for independence. Ron, sir, your balls are composed of a material harder than steel.
    ^^
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    ANOTHER undeclared war.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bolil View Post
    Fight for independence. Ron, sir, your balls are composed of a material harder than steel.

    Diamond Nuts. Not only harder than anything, they're also stunningly beautiful when he pulls them out, everytime.
    EX-USCG


    What is the difference between a hero and a cop? A hero will not hesitate to risk his life to protect your safety, a cop will not hesitate to risk your life to protect his safety.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Authoritarian leftists. Political prisoners. Gulags. Where are we again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastie View Post
    Diamond Nuts. Not only harder than anything, they're also stunningly beautiful when he pulls them out, everytime.
    ROFLMAO. Thanks coastie that made my day. +rep good sir!



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