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"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Abortion???? Did abortion become illegal?He [Jeff Larson] worries that the establishment sees the Paul forces as obsessed with legalizing drugs and abortion. He thinks they can work together on fiscal issues.
since when to the terms 'Paul' and 'abortion' go together?
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
And so begin the compromises. Is no one principled?
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
—Charles Mackay
"god i fucking wanna rip his balls off and offer them to the gods"
-Anonymous
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Ok, if you can't beat them, then get whatever you can out of them which is what happened.
I am wiling to bet (I have no insider info) that AJ Spiker is now less concerned about losing control of the Iowa GOP because Prebius is more favorable to him. Same for the NVGOP. This will be important come 2016 when Rand runs for President.
Again, long term strategy> short term victories. Win the war, don't kill ourselves for every battle, especially when the battle is a guaranteed loss.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
So sell out for what you can get for yourself instead of doing what people put you there for?
Wow.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
--Albert J. Nock
Impossible to know what went on behind the scenes at this point.
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
—Charles Mackay
"god i fucking wanna rip his balls off and offer them to the gods"
-Anonymous
Last edited by klamath; 01-24-2013 at 08:19 PM.
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
this system and people in it are so $#@!ing thin in principle. ron was indeed the only one. ill stand by ron until im dead. $#@! being a sell out.
Do people here really freak out about abortion that much? Or trying to win a hopeless battle? I thought we were over quixotic challenges at this point and moving on to changing the framework of the GOP? Anyways, I agree with Matt Collins. And I continue to work in my local GOP party providing common sense, constitution-minded and civil liberty protecting ideas whenever possible.
"Freedom, then Pizza!" - Oklahoma State GOP Convention 5/11/2012
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Why attack Ron? They weren't his candidates. These are his supporters and the others were elected specifically as Ron Paul supporters. Th worst is the guy in Nevada who DID give his support then pulled it, giving the impression of cratering support, when they were trying to build on it for the third state.
Ron had his rules and set them out and no one else around can equal him, so until you find a competitor at his level, it seems pretty ridiculous to bring him into this.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
—Charles Mackay
"god i fucking wanna rip his balls off and offer them to the gods"
-Anonymous
The point is that Ron, even as "pure" as he is, has had to hold his nose and go along with supporting people he didn't want to over the years. He even admits this in a video that was floating around a couple of years ago. So let's not hold our own people up to a mythical standard that doesn't exist unless we're talking about Congressional voting records.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
No, Matt, the point is Ron never sold out. He had specific rules and he would explain them. He never went to vote on behalf of people for one thing then sold his vote. Ever.
He didn't 'admit' his support for those he didn't like, he specifically explained why he was doing it, then never campaigned for them and it was pretty clear who fell in that category because he defined it.
But he never ever sold his vote.
Last edited by sailingaway; 01-24-2013 at 11:24 PM.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Preibus had nothing to do with any of those shenanigans, unless you have proof otherwise?
That being said, the quickest way to create mortal enemies and lose one's high ground is to openly backstab people. Romney did it at the Convention and lost the election because of it. Professional political operatives typically don't make backroom deals and then not follow up, really bad things tend to happen as a result.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
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