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    RNC Chief Reince Priebus Fends off Paulite Rebellion

    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden



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    He [Jeff Larson] worries that the establishment sees the Paul forces as obsessed with legalizing drugs and abortion. He thinks they can work together on fiscal issues.
    Abortion???? Did abortion become illegal?
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    since when to the terms 'Paul' and 'abortion' go together?
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    And so begin the compromises. Is no one principled?
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    And so begin the compromises. Is no one principled?
    we need to pay attention to the three who did NOT sell their votes out. We need to keep track of who IS principled, under pressure.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Ok, if you can't beat them, then get whatever you can out of them which is what happened.


    I am wiling to bet (I have no insider info) that AJ Spiker is now less concerned about losing control of the Iowa GOP because Prebius is more favorable to him. Same for the NVGOP. This will be important come 2016 when Rand runs for President.

    Again, long term strategy> short term victories. Win the war, don't kill ourselves for every battle, especially when the battle is a guaranteed loss.
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    So sell out for what you can get for yourself instead of doing what people put you there for?

    Wow.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Ok, if you can't beat them, then get whatever you can out of them which is what happened.


    I am wiling to bet (I have no insider info) that AJ Spiker is now less concerned about losing control of the Iowa GOP because Prebius is more favorable to him. Same for the NVGOP. This will be important come 2016 when Rand runs for President.

    Again, long term strategy> short term victories. Win the war, don't kill ourselves for every battle, especially when the battle is a guaranteed loss.
    Oh GMAFB. Also, you act like these evil neo-Trots just fell off the turnip truck.

    With these bastards in CONtrol, Rand won't get anywhere near the nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Ok, if you can't beat them, then get whatever you can out of them which is what happened.


    I am wiling to bet (I have no insider info) that AJ Spiker is now less concerned about losing control of the Iowa GOP because Prebius is more favorable to him. Same for the NVGOP. This will be important come 2016 when Rand runs for President.

    Again, long term strategy> short term victories. Win the war, don't kill ourselves for every battle, especially when the battle is a guaranteed loss.
    battered wife syndrome

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    that Icelandic passport is l00king better every day...

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    Impossible to know what went on behind the scenes at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Ok, if you can't beat them, then get whatever you can out of them which is what happened.


    I am wiling to bet (I have no insider info) that AJ Spiker is now less concerned about losing control of the Iowa GOP because Prebius is more favorable to him. Same for the NVGOP. This will be important come 2016 when Rand runs for President.

    Again, long term strategy> short term victories. Win the war, don't kill ourselves for every battle, especially when the battle is a guaranteed loss.
    Come on Matt. Stop defending selling out like its a win.
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
    —Charles Mackay

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    And so begin the compromises. Is no one principled?
    The whole freaking RP movement is a COMPROMISE! Do you think I like hanging out with proabortion people any more than I like to hang out with neocons?
    Last edited by klamath; 01-24-2013 at 08:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    The whole freaking RP movement is a COMPROMISE! Do you think I like hanging out with proabortion people any more than I like to hang out with neocons?
    If you lie with dogs....
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
    —Charles Mackay

    "god i fucking wanna rip his balls off and offer them to the gods"
    -Anonymous

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    this system and people in it are so $#@!ing thin in principle. ron was indeed the only one. ill stand by ron until im dead. $#@! being a sell out.

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    /\/\/\ I'll just stand over there with her....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    If you lie with dogs....
    Yeaw i wonder why I even hang out here anymore. Just a habit I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Yeaw i wonder why I even hang out here anymore. Just a habit I guess.
    Mine's an addiction. I figure this good addiction balances out any bad addictions.....that I may or may not have or had in the past....or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    "I was in the rain forest once, and it rained on me..."
    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Ron Paul suggested a very good first step to the process of restoring sound money... It was beautiful. It left them all standing with their fiats out.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    'Excuse us, we'll be leaving now. Oh, and you don't mind if we just steal this Constitution before we go? You @#$%s aren't using it anyway...'

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    Do people here really freak out about abortion that much? Or trying to win a hopeless battle? I thought we were over quixotic challenges at this point and moving on to changing the framework of the GOP? Anyways, I agree with Matt Collins. And I continue to work in my local GOP party providing common sense, constitution-minded and civil liberty protecting ideas whenever possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    So sell out for what you can get for yourself instead of doing what people put you there for?
    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    Come on Matt. Stop defending selling out like its a win.

    It's not "caving" or "selling out" if you use your leverage to get something you need from them that they wouldn't have given otherwise (especially since you were guaranteed to lose if you fought).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    With these bastards in CONtrol, Rand won't get anywhere near the nomination.
    They don't have as much control as you think they do, and their level of control is slipping less and less by every day. Given the way Rand is being promoted by them, come 2015 he may be bigger than they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    It's not "caving" or "selling out" if you use your leverage to get something you need from them that they wouldn't have given otherwise (especially since you were guaranteed to lose if you fought).
    Well, we'll know what to expect of you if anyone elects you to anything.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    Well, we'll know what to expect of you if anyone elects you to anything.
    No, not at all. But of course I don't plan to hold elected office.

    But remember, Ron Paul has voted for some pretty awful speakers in his day too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, not at all. But of course I don't plan to hold elected office.

    But remember, Ron Paul has voted for some pretty awful speakers in his day too.
    that's irrelevant since A, this was not a speaker, and B, when he voted for the only choice, there was no liberty option. Show where he voted for a speaker AGAINST a liberty option. Ever.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden



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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    that's irrelevant since A, this was not a speaker, and B, when he voted for the only choice, there was no liberty option. Show where he voted for a speaker AGAINST a liberty option. Ever.
    Ron has supported establishment candidates in the past, even though liberty candidates were running, and I'm not referring to Speaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Ron has supported establishment candidates in the past, even though liberty candidates were running, and I'm not referring to Speaker.
    Why attack Ron? They weren't his candidates. These are his supporters and the others were elected specifically as Ron Paul supporters. Th worst is the guy in Nevada who DID give his support then pulled it, giving the impression of cratering support, when they were trying to build on it for the third state.

    Ron had his rules and set them out and no one else around can equal him, so until you find a competitor at his level, it seems pretty ridiculous to bring him into this.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    It's not "caving" or "selling out" if you use your leverage to get something you need from them that they wouldn't have given otherwise (especially since you were guaranteed to lose if you fought).
    And I'm sure whatever they were promised will materialize because Preibus is so principled and would never go back on his word or say... Change rules without a majority... Or be complicit in getting delegates "lost" or helping misappropriate funds or....
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
    —Charles Mackay

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    -Anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    Why attack Ron? They weren't his candidates. These are his supporters and the others were elected specifically as Ron Paul supporters. Th worst is the guy in Nevada who DID give his support then pulled it, giving the impression of cratering support, when they were trying to build on it for the third state.

    Ron had his rules and set them out and no one else around can equal him, so until you find a competitor at his level, it seems pretty ridiculous to bring him into this.
    The point is that Ron, even as "pure" as he is, has had to hold his nose and go along with supporting people he didn't want to over the years. He even admits this in a video that was floating around a couple of years ago. So let's not hold our own people up to a mythical standard that doesn't exist unless we're talking about Congressional voting records.
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    No, Matt, the point is Ron never sold out. He had specific rules and he would explain them. He never went to vote on behalf of people for one thing then sold his vote. Ever.

    He didn't 'admit' his support for those he didn't like, he specifically explained why he was doing it, then never campaigned for them and it was pretty clear who fell in that category because he defined it.

    But he never ever sold his vote.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 01-24-2013 at 11:24 PM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    And I'm sure whatever they were promised will materialize because Preibus is so principled and would never go back on his word or say... Change rules without a majority... Or be complicit in getting delegates "lost" or helping misappropriate funds or....
    Preibus had nothing to do with any of those shenanigans, unless you have proof otherwise?

    That being said, the quickest way to create mortal enemies and lose one's high ground is to openly backstab people. Romney did it at the Convention and lost the election because of it. Professional political operatives typically don't make backroom deals and then not follow up, really bad things tend to happen as a result.
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