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Thread: Daily Caller "Why Rand Paul should skip the 2016 presidential race"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Let's do some research on the author, who has he donated to? Who does he work for?
    He's pulling for Rubio in 2016, I guess.

    http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/23...nt-marco-rubio



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    There is going to be allot of noise about Rubio running but ultimately it is just setting things up for a Jeb Bush/Rubio ticket. That is the mainstream media, establishment Republican and Neocon wet dream. If Hillary or Bush wins it is a win for establishment Progressives. Just like in the past it would have been no different for them if John McCain or Romney won.

    By the time the primaries come along, the media narrative for Jeb Bush and Rubio will paint them as Conservative saviors and Libertarian leaning. The left will paint them as evil and the fools on the right will dig their heels in to support them believing the Conservative rhetoric as fact.

    Bush, McCain, Romney, every election cycle I watch the big government Progressive candidate transform in the media to be the "Conservative savior". How many more times are people going to keep falling for this. I hope people will finally wake up this time around and not be so desperate for an alternative that they will take another Bush.
    Last edited by kahless; 01-23-2013 at 02:45 PM.

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    Romney won because "conservatives" didn't unite behind a behind a candidate.

    Romney got 29% in Iowa and 37% in New Hampshire and WON, it was over basically and the establishment got behind him.

    Rand can absolutely do better or similar to those numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo...ob-approval-wi
    He's still got higher approval than disapproval.
    That doesn't matter he's up in 2016, if Walker isn't on the ticket and WI does its usual and gives its electoral votes to the Democrat then he'll likely be out if there's someone competent against him

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    The thing is that it doesn't hardly even matter if a Republican like Marco Rubio wins in 2016, because he wouldn't provide any kind of real change and wouldn't be able to save our country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    There is nothing remotely "conservative" about war. War is pro-government, pro-despot, pro-collectivist, pro-revolutionary, pro-inflation, anti-society, and anti-Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    My comment post:
    I couldn't agree more. The "I won't run for office because I might lose" argument is the cowards way out. The only thing that would give me pause if I was Rand is Kentucky's election laws affecting my senate seat. But by that time he would have either won the Iowa straw poll and be a contender or lost it and not. He shouldn't kid himself. The Iowa Straw Poll is a must win for someone like Rand who has the media gunning to squash him.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Eze 22:25 There's a conspiracy of prophets within her....

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.

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    2016 is a REPUBLICAN year.

    Sitting it out is political suicide.

    If a Rubio wins 8 years in 2016 and then a dem gets another 8 year term it could be 2032 before we get a chance at the WH. lol.

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    The more I read the article the more laughable it becomes. Take this part:

    If you thought the 2012 stakes were high, the 2016 stakes are even higher. It’s going to get ugly. Conservatives who witnessed how Mitt Romney was demonized (in a pretty similar manner as I predicted) must now realize that it is the goal of liberals to cast Republicans as crazy, evil, racists.

    So the "lesson" from 2012 is to get an even more left wing version of Romney so that he won't be "demonized"? We aren't going to actually get someone principled that actually appeals to independents like Ron Paul did? Will this commercial have to be repeated in 2016?

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Eze 22:25 There's a conspiracy of prophets within her....

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.

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    Complete garbage article.

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    What a dumb ass article.

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    I want Rand to run and I think he has better chance than most people are giving him credit for. That said, I didn't see anything that unreasonable in the article. Rand has maybe a 1 or 2% chance of winning. It would be bad if he didn't hang onto his senate seat. The author was just pointing out the challenges Rand would face if runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.NoSmile View Post
    Republicans thought the economy would be one of the main issues that would hurt Obama come 2012 and look how that turned out.
    There is no problem with the economy as long as the 50% of USA families who get some kind of check from the government get it on time.When the checks start coming late or they stop coming then you have a problem in the economy.

    I really can not understand giving such a large welfare.Welfare is not meant to be lived off.
    Last edited by Demigod; 01-23-2013 at 04:08 PM.

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    I would give Rand a 80% chance of winning Iowa right now even if he refused to bother campaigning in that state instead opting to go on Newt style travel festivities for the entire cycle.

    idk where this 1% chance stuff comes from.

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    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics-...on-2016/winner

    The best odds he's getting right now are 50-1, so 2%.

    I think that's probably mispriced though. I think a lot a of the groundwork that Ron laid in Iowa and NH and the work Rand is doing winning over people like Glenn Beck gives him a much better chance.

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    First thought.

    This article means that Rand Paul really is a big threat.

    There is some truth to some of the points. I trust that Paul's team know this. We would do best to keep our eyes on more Senate and House seats that are pro-liberty. But a well run presidential campaign--even one that doesn't win--could move the agenda in our direction if the campaign is run well. Head down.
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    Ok, well if he officially endorses the Aqua buddha this next presidential, that would reduce his odds to 78%.


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    You are being shifty here, while the GOP has pretty much discounted Romney, apparently you haven't: You claim that in 2016 the GOP fronted by Rand will lose because of all sorts of traditional liberal/democratic positions, but when the last loss is blamed specifically on Romney, you discount that by suggesting that the GOP has discounted him already. Which way is it going to be?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.NoSmile View Post
    Once again, and look how that turned out. Besides, by this point, the GOP has pretty much discounted Romney anyway.
    Last edited by Stallheim; 01-23-2013 at 04:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stallheim View Post
    You are being shifty here, while the GOP has pretty much discounted Romney, apparently you haven't: You claim that in 2016 the GOP fronted by Rand will lose because of all sorts of traditional liberal/democratic positions, but when the last loss is blamed specifically on Romney, you discount that by suggesting that the GOP has discounted him already. Which way is it going to be?
    Selective hearing. Don't put words in my mouth, thank you very much, especially when I'm not the one who brought Romney into the discussion, just the economy. Also, no, I never said the GOP 'fronted' by Rand Paul would lose. Heck, I never said he'd lose to begin with. I commented on the GOP's image and how that's going to impact Paul, as well as how Americans may discount the GOP altogether based on their views on things such as immigration, marriage, guns and such when nationwide views are shifting.

    I said it'd be an uphill battle- there's a difference. Again, selective hearing.

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    I am not endorsing Rand, but I call bullshit anytime someone says, "He can't win".

    Who the hell are they to make that claim.

    They should just STFU.
    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    I would give Rand a 80% chance of winning Iowa right now even if he refused to bother campaigning in that state instead opting to go on Newt style travel festivities for the entire cycle.

    idk where this 1% chance stuff comes from.
    Yes. If Iowa was right now, Rand could win. This is 2-3 years out, and he could win. In fact, if Rand mounts a serious campaign in the next year or two, I predict that he can win Iowa by double digits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.NoSmile View Post
    if unemployment drops by the time Obama's second term is done
    That's one big if...

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    That's one big if...
    If the C4L mailing is correct the fed is going to print $1.7 Trillion-ish dollars this year. The banks definitely aren't anywhere near the most efficient place to put money to create jobs, but $1.7T is $1.7T.

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