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    Default Forget Gold and Silver... Lets talk about ALUMINUM 80% LOWERS

    This is a "$90 at your local yard sale" drill press:












    This $125 item is, "Our complete jig for completing the machining of a Tactical Machining 80% AR-15 lower receiver":
    http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-...ar-15-jig.html




    This IS A GUN; an AR 15 Lower, it has a serial number and must be shipped to an FFL dealer:






    This is an 80% Lower, it is NOT A GUN; a 'non FFL item",
    you can buy it on the net with a money order and have it shipped to a PO BOX.
    Without licence, you can manufacture and $ELL 80's
    on the net or off your front porch unrestricted.

    Its a shipped-to-your-door $80-$180, buy in bulk if you like; no background check transaction:



    In the eyes of the law, its just a novelty, a paper weight; a chunk of aluminium.




    This too is a non-FFL purchase:


    http://aresarmor.com/store/Category/hmgar15




    Waiting lists are currently about 3 month$ out on all 80% lowers;

    www.ar15.com is a great place to keep up on that;
    30 days old and 100 pages long:
    THE "IN STOCK" LOWER RECEIVER THREAD


    This is the .gov resource which re-affirms your God given right to build your own personal firearm.

    Any Question$?
    Last edited by presence; 01-26-2013 at 12:45 PM.
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    Some assembly required. This ^ is my next project.
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    WTF!?!??!?!?!
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    damn it... no info on select fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    damn it... no info on select fire.
    You would probably want to read a few gunsmithing books before engaging in that little endeavor. And prescence, to the best of your knowledge, is that illegal? I would assume they would find some sort of way to give you 10 years.
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    Out of stock.....the jig
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    I would assume they would find some sort of way to give you 10 years.
    Only if they know about it.
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    wow. dejavu.

    i saw this black truck yesterday in anaheim with "AR15.com" bumper sticker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    And presence, to the best of your knowledge, is that illegal? I would assume they would find some sort of way to give you 10 years.
    from the .gov link in the op:

    For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.
    I'm not a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    Out of stock.....the jig
    Check that thread at ar15.com they've spit out 3 pages a day for the past month on stock issues related to Lowers; plenty of others in this business... many mom and pop grassroots shops springing up, as you don't have to be licensed to manufacture and sell 80's; they're just paper weights. Its probably wise to get your jig from the same people that you get your paper weight from as ATF has changed their 80% requirements and some require additional/different tooling (ie safety selector hole).
    Last edited by presence; 01-24-2013 at 07:35 AM.
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    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
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    ...and stomped on it with his jackboot. READ MORE: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/n...lugo-parakeet/


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    What is an 80% lower? What's it missing that makes it legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roho76 View Post
    What is an 80% lower? What's it missing that makes it legal?
    I believe it is because the are not finished, you have to do the remaining 20%.
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    LOL, from the headline I thought the bottom dropped out of scrap aluminum. I got ten 40 gallon bags of crushed cans in my basement.
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    Yeah but what's the 20%? It looks like a stripped lower which is regulated. So what's it missing from a stripped lower that would allow me to manufacture these and sell them on EBay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roho76 View Post
    What is an 80% lower? What's it missing that makes it legal?
    Hole for selector, hole for trigger pivot and slot for trigger. That I can see from pictures
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    Quote Originally Posted by roho76 View Post
    So what's it missing from a stripped lower that would allow me to manufacture these and sell them on EBay?

    Its not what's missing... its what is still there:


    Last edited by presence; 01-24-2013 at 10:32 AM.
    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
    "F*** THE BIRD !!!"
    ...and stomped on it with his jackboot. READ MORE: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/n...lugo-parakeet/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I believe it is because the are not finished, you have to do the remaining 20%.
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-317669.html
    KT Ordnance has provided you, the customer, with this BATFE determination letter to ensure the customer that we have complied with all BATFE rules and regulations. This AR-Style receiver has not had the

    trigger group cavity (fire control box) machined, or the
    hammer,
    trigger/sear,
    and selector holes
    drilled (80%),

    and may have other machining operations incomplete beyond what TFB requires (less than 80%).
    Last edited by presence; 01-24-2013 at 10:37 AM.
    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
    "F*** THE BIRD !!!"
    ...and stomped on it with his jackboot. READ MORE: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/n...lugo-parakeet/


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    Any opinions on the relative quality of the 80% lowers from different manufacturers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Any opinions on the relative quality of the 80% lowers from different manufacturers?

    keywords:

    6061 vs 7075 AR,
    billet vs forged cast machined AR,
    best quality AR lower 80
    Last edited by presence; 01-24-2013 at 10:23 AM.
    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
    "F*** THE BIRD !!!"
    ...and stomped on it with his jackboot. READ MORE: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/n...lugo-parakeet/







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