Cuomo going full tilt with extreme abortion bill

[jmdrake]

Actually no, they were sentenced to death. Their sentence was alter commuted.

Do you know what They received a suspended sentence. (No jail time). even means? IT MEANS THEIR SENTENCE WAS COMMUTED!

The judges found there was no common law defense of necessity to a charge of murder, either on the basis of legal precedent or the basis of ethics and morality, which is what you're arguing.

A) They received a suspended sentence which should tell you something.
B) The effect of the suspended sentence was that the judge split the difference between "okaying murder in a necessity" and the state killing people for being forced to make a horrible choice.
C) Your "Take the baby out with the rest of the tissue and throw it in the trash and it's not an abortion because the Catholic church says so" position is untenable.
D) Pushing someone away from your raft because he's attracting sharks is quite different from killing and eating him. So your analogy doesn't even fit what I was saying.

Really, this is stupid hairsplitting on your part. And the end of the day the baby is dead and the mother is alive if everything goes right. Under normal circumstances both of us would agree that neither cutting the fetus out and throwing it in the trash nor pumping in chemicals with the intent of killing the fetus would be acceptable. And the original example that I gave, giving a mother chemotherapy which happens to kill the baby, is even less like abortion that what you find acceptable because the Catholic church told you so. Hell, under my example the baby could even have a fighting chance! Maybe it's really resilient to chemo? But no...no. Cut it out and throw it in the trash so you have the pope's blessing.

Edit: This is what I said earlier.

That said, in every pregnancy there is the possibility of the woman coming down with some disease like cancer where the prescribed treatment could very well kill the fetus. If she's made it to late term a c-section can be performed, but earlier that's a legit reason for an abortion.

And this is how you quoted me.

but earlier that's a legit reason for an abortion.

Let me know when you're ready to debate honestly.

[Smart3]

Ever since the first abortion was performed guessing (circa A.D.) someone decided who lives and dies. Not to get off topic but wars are fought on that premise.

Try Classical Greece, Hippocrates mentions abortion (and prohibits it) in his Oath.

[Confederate]

Do you know what They received a suspended sentence. (No jail time). even means? IT MEANS THEIR SENTENCE WAS COMMUTED!

They did not receive a suspended sentence. The convicted received a royal prerogative of mercy from Queen Victoria. And a suspended sentences is not the same thing as a commuted sentence.

C) Your "Take the baby out with the rest of the tissue and throw it in the trash and it's not an abortion because the Catholic church says so" position is untenable.

There is a big difference between something which has one purpose, that is to kill the child, and another which is a to medically cure the mother through the removal of tissue which unfortunately leads to the death of the child because we do not have the technology to transplant the child into the uterus.

[jmdrake]

There is a big difference between something which has one purpose, that is to kill the child, and another which is a to medically cure the mother through the removal of
tissue which unfortunately leads to the death of the child because we do not have the technology to transplant the child into the uterus.

1) Chemotherapy, what I talked about initially and what you dishonestly clipped out, has the sole purpose of curing cancer, but it can cause a natural abortion.

2) Medically what is described in point #1 is still called an "abortion" but your Catholic sensibilities cause you to react illogically when the word is used.

3) Taking "tissue out" and "throwing it in the trash" when there is still a baby inside is no ethically better then injecting chemicals to kill said baby no matter how you or 1 million other Bishops try to dress it up.

Edit:

4) Your "it's okay to take the baby out with the tissue and throw it in the trash" position actually fits the "pushing someone who's bleeding and attracting sharks out into the water" scenario whether you can admit that or not. In both cases you aren't directly killing the "victim" (different from the cannibalism case you cited) and in both cases the victim doesn't immediately die. In fact in the shark case there's always the possibility the victim could catch a ride on a dolphin.

[loveableteddybear]

NYers are idiots that beg for their rights to be taken away. They are a hopeless bunch.

(I live in NY)

[Lucille]

NYers are idiots that beg for their rights to be taken away. They are a hopeless bunch.

(I live in NY)

Vox Day asked yesterday, "Note that the Canadian government backed down when Canadians didn't comply. Are New Yorkers really more servile than Canadians?"

Evidently yes, they are. (NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvWGZpu_TXw#t=1m53s

[gwax23]

I agree with Confederate 110%. I live in NY. Cuomo Bloomberg and all the rest are all filth. This new proposal is disgusting.

I urge people to read up on Abortion in the soviet union. The Statistics and numbers are astonishing. That where we are headed in this country.