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    Default The Garden Song. I like this Arlo Guthrie cat.

    How in the hell have I been alive 35 years and not enjoyed this so-called "folk music". I've spent the whole weekend reading about and listening to Arlo and Woodie Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Phil Ochs and Bob Dylan. I know they were communists and all but this is good shit. Kinda makes me miss smoking weed.




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    Arlo Guthrie is a Ron Paul guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie#Politics

    A registered Republican, Guthrie endorsed Texas Congressman Ron Paul for the 2008 Republican Party nomination. He said, "I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of the United States had he been there. I'm with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy." He told The New York Times Magazine that he is a Republican because, "We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition."
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    I'm only 3 years younger than you but I got into the folk at age 18 and have sort of been stuck in it ever since.

    It's kind of funny that Arlo was a Ron Paul guy when his dad was such a leftist.

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    I'm thinking about learning to play the banjo and walking around the office protesting.

    Was the folk revival a communist front? It sure seems that way from what I've read.

    From what I understand, Pete Seeger was going around to the "Pioneer Camps" full of red-diaper children and teaching them these folk songs with sometimes hidden/sometimes not communist messages in the 40s and 50s. Lew Rockwell calls him the red troubador. Anyhow, this was an interesting article on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkBuddha View Post
    I'm thinking about learning to play the banjo and walking around the office protesting.

    Was the folk revival a communist front? It sure seems that way from what I've read.

    From what I understand, Pete Seeger was going around to the "Pioneer Camps" full of red-diaper children and teaching them these folk songs with sometimes hidden/sometimes not communist messages in the 40s and 50s. Lew Rockwell calls him the red troubador. Anyhow, this was an interesting article on the subject.
    It's like with anything. You and I have could have an alliance for a while with radical leftists based on foreign policy and civil rights.

    Here's yesterday's example:


    Here's an anarchist leftist that tells the real truth:



    Pete Seeger never had the balls nor intellect to discuss such things.

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    Went to see Arlo live with my mom a few years ago, such good memories. He even signed two copies of "Mooses Come Walking" for my kids.

    Mom continues to be such a non-informed lefty, but over the years Arlo and I have at least convinced her that Ron Paul is not as evil as the rest of the republicans.

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    Here he is singing a song some unknown songwriter (at the time) wrote and performed for Guthrie after a show in a bar years ago.



    Don't know if I enjoy his singing or his tales more. But I do think he's more fun live.
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    The garden song

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    I'm only 3 years younger than you but I got into the folk at age 18 and have sort of been stuck in it ever since.

    It's kind of funny that Arlo was a Ron Paul guy when his dad was such a leftist.

    "All you fascists bound to lose, bound to lose." Given that the left and right are basically each fascists to equal degrees, I'm sure that Woody would be a Paul guy now, too.

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    I think Woody probably would be a RP supporter also.

    After much research on the matter I tend to agree with the previous poster about Pete Seeger. I think he was a fantastic musician and performer and all around well-intentioned soul. Ithink we should all be greatful for the work that he and others did to preserve some of the old folk music that might have been lost today had they not. But I think he was a patsy for the left and whether he knew it or not (I think he did), the folk-music revival was a communist front.

    For all of the people championing communism in the labor unions in the earlier half of the 20th century, seeing the atrocities committed by their ideological leaders on the other side of the planet must have been world shattering. The "radical left" then moved towards anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndiclism from what I've gathered.

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    Let's keep up the folk music!

    2 songs, same title, different songs, different artists.


    Here comes the helicopter -- second time today
    Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
    How many kids they've murdered only God can say
    If I had a rocket launcher...I'd make somebody pay

    I don't believe in guarded borders and I don't believe in hate
    I don't believe in generals or their stinking torture states
    And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
    If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate

    On the Rio Lacantun, one hundred thousand wait
    To fall down from starvation -- or some less humane fate
    Cry for guatemala, with a corpse in every gate
    If I had a rocket launcher...I would not hesitate

    I want to raise every voice -- at least I've got to try
    Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
    Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
    If I had a rocket launcher...Some son of a bitch would die
    _____________


    From Bagdad to Baltimore, a world-wide war
    The tactic of destruction as a double-bladed sword
    As the contracts hit the billions and the billions hit the street
    In protest of the slaughter, getting slaughtered police
    We grow to love our neighbors then to stab them in the back
    In a crooked game of power with a deck that's always stacked
    The goal's to struggle through your labor just to find your place in line
    While the profiteers repeat the pattern, holding down rewind
    And if the foreground's so destructive think what's happening behind
    If I had a rocket launcher, my place would be defined

    I watch the television, see the headlines now and then
    Slogan after slogan, repeating the refrain
    We trust these movie-stars of media, and we're fetishizing fame
    As little tidbits of reality go flashing across the screen
    They say that everything is even it's all following the plan
    The dead are stacked in piles being bulldozed in the sand
    There's nothing different about it, it's just like all the rest
    Limbless children without parents, homeless cancer-ridden vets
    They try to cloak it all in logos, every day another myth
    The news reporters smiles, gaining stories from the death
    What they did to Southeast Asia they are doing here today
    If I had a rocket launcher, I'd make somebody pay

    Down at Central Booking in the over crowded cells
    The poor are housed together fending for themselves
    Against the prison guard's union, the criminals with keys
    Calling punishment "correction", doing anything they please
    Locked away inside this concrete cage all hope is torn apart
    As the guards complete the cycle breaking down the human heart
    Until the verdict is not guilty or the final lever's pulled
    Still the circle is unbroken and the cells are always full
    You know the war across the ocean? Well here's the one at home
    From the ghetto to the graveyard, the path is set in stone
    The duty done by prisons is maintaining poverty
    If I had a rocket launcher, I'd abolish slavery

    Time continues slowly sometimes dangerously still
    Everyday a new beginning finds you staring up the hill
    Another war another clearcut, another killer cop
    A society collapsing with the ticking of the clock
    You'd think there'd never be an outlet, never something so immense
    That it could break this spell of silence and the deeds it represents
    But between the benefactor's and the people beaten back
    It's evident by history that something's gonna crack
    And when it does there's only action, the changing of the hands
    Aggression laying waste to all the best laid plans
    And don't blame me if I'm smiling when it all comes tumbling down
    If I had a rocket launcher, I would make each second count

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Thanks Occam's Banana.

    I'd of never guessed him a Ron Paul guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Thanks Occam's Banana.

    I'd of never guessed him a Ron Paul guy.
    No problem!

    IIRC, he was even in the original cut of For Liberty (the grassroots documentary about the 2008 campaign).
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    Check out the band Deer Tick, you can thank me later.

    I love folk, dad made me listen to Alice's Restaurant every Thanksgiving.
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    A couple you should check out.....

    Jim Lampos "Sons Of Liberty" off the Thunder Moon album.

    Dave Staigle "Liberty" off the Liberty album.

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    Another 2 songs. One copies the other but is more realistic.

    Don't get me wrong. I love Bob Dylan but he never really cared about idealism. That's why he played in China last year and let their govt edit his playlist.



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    Come gather round people and fall to your knees
    and bow to the red white and blue m16's
    if you liked the riot cops you'll love the marines
    they'll be at all of your demonstrations
    to beat up your bodies and tear down your dreams
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come children and students abide by our rules
    we'll send in the troops to recruit at your schools
    and we'll tell you it's noble, we'll tell you it's cool
    and you'll hear every word that we're saying
    and there's room in the jails if the classrooms are full
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come mothers and fathers and friends of the slain
    while we exploit your loses to fund our campaigns
    we brought you the war, now there's no one to blame
    you best hope the new leader ain't crazy
    you can vote how you want but the outcomes the same
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come senators, congress men, don't fear a thing
    they'll fall in the line behind the new king
    and accept with a smile what little you bring
    they'll forget all the wars you're arangin
    the bullets they'll peirce and the tasers will sting
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come presidents, dictators take what you will
    these people are yours to tax and to kill
    if they ever rise up theres walls you can build
    the system is strong you're maintaining
    just speak with a smile and lie with a skill
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    the paths they are plain, the choices are clear
    if things are to change, friends, it's gotta start here
    and if now ain't the time i hope the times near
    while there is still something left worth saving
    so stand up fight back to hell with your fear
    for the times, they are not a-changin'
    Read more at http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/vi...Fcx9jIx2FAr.99

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    LMAO - not very often I actually physically applaud a YouTube.

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    Inch by inch, row by row..
    The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    A couple you should check out.....

    Jim Lampos "Sons Of Liberty" off the Thunder Moon album.

    Dave Staigle "Liberty" off the Liberty album.
    These aren't popular enough to have 'Tubes.

    They should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    Another 2 songs. One copies the other but is more realistic.

    Don't get me wrong. I love Bob Dylan but he never really cared about idealism. That's why he played in China last year and let their govt edit his playlist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWdCKPtnYE

    _____

    Now for reality:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnFF5Yj-nSga

    Come gather round people and fall to your knees
    and bow to the red white and blue m16's
    if you liked the riot cops you'll love the marines
    they'll be at all of your demonstrations
    to beat up your bodies and tear down your dreams
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come children and students abide by our rules
    we'll send in the troops to recruit at your schools
    and we'll tell you it's noble, we'll tell you it's cool
    and you'll hear every word that we're saying
    and there's room in the jails if the classrooms are full
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come mothers and fathers and friends of the slain
    while we exploit your loses to fund our campaigns
    we brought you the war, now there's no one to blame
    you best hope the new leader ain't crazy
    you can vote how you want but the outcomes the same
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come senators, congress men, don't fear a thing
    they'll fall in the line behind the new king
    and accept with a smile what little you bring
    they'll forget all the wars you're arangin
    the bullets they'll peirce and the tasers will sting
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    come presidents, dictators take what you will
    these people are yours to tax and to kill
    if they ever rise up theres walls you can build
    the system is strong you're maintaining
    just speak with a smile and lie with a skill
    for the times, they are not a-changin'

    the paths they are plain, the choices are clear
    if things are to change, friends, it's gotta start here
    and if now ain't the time i hope the times near
    while there is still something left worth saving
    so stand up fight back to hell with your fear
    for the times, they are not a-changin'
    Read more at http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/vi...Fcx9jIx2FAr.99
    well, except for the fact that of the 5 service branches the Marines are the LEAST likely of the bunch to enforce tyranny, not bad. Folks just don't realize that of the 5 branches only one literally celebrates members who reject unlawful orders...

    For instance, Smedley Butler is one of our biggest all-time heroes right up there with Chesty Puller. I bet you know what Smedley Butler is famous for....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    well, except for the fact that of the 5 service branches the Marines are the LEAST likely of the bunch to enforce tyranny, not bad. Folks just don't realize that of the 5 branches only one literally celebrates members who reject unlawful orders...

    For instance, Smedley Butler is one of our biggest all-time heroes right up there with Chesty Puller. I bet you know what Smedley Butler is famous for....
    I understand where you are coming from. His choice in that song was to use the most fearsome group at that point; the marines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr33 View Post
    I understand where you are coming from. His choice in that song was to use the most fearsome group at that point; the marines.
    LOL I figured it was just for the rhyme...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Not a surprise really.

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Inch by inch, row by row..
    A lesson in subversion. That song took on a whole new meaning once I learned more about the roots of the "folk revival."





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