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    Wanted: 'Adventurous Woman' to Give Birth to NEANDERTHAL MAN


    Neanderthals have been extinct for 33,000 years,
    but George Church, a genetics professor at Harvard Medical School,
    believes he can bring them back with the help of a surrogate human mother.

    They're usually thought of as a brutish, primitive species.

    So what woman would want to give birth to a Neanderthal baby?

    Yet this incredible scenario is the plan of one of the world’s leading geneticists, who is seeking a volunteer to help bring man’s long-extinct close relative back to life.

    Professor George Church of Harvard Medical School believes he can reconstruct Neanderthal DNA and resurrect the species which became extinct 33,000 years ago.
    His scheme is reminiscent of Jurassic Park but, while in the film dinosaurs were created in a laboratory, Professor Church’s ambitious plan requires a human volunteer.
    He said his analysis of Neanderthal genetic code using samples from bones is complete enough to reconstruct their DNA.
    He said: ‘Now I need an adventurous female human.
    ‘It depends on a hell of a lot of things, but I think it can be done.’
    Professor Church’s plan would begin by artificially creating Neanderthal DNA based on genetic code found in fossil remains. He would put this DNA into stem cells.
    These would be injected into cells from a human embryo in the early stages of life.
    It is thought that the stem cells would steer the development of the hybrid embryo on Neanderthal lines, rather than human ones.


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    Hehe does this really piss off religious people? I bet it does
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Hehe does this really piss off religious people? I bet it does
    It doesn't piss me off, but it saddens me to know that men will create poor tortured souls like animals in the shape of men, and then with that power seduce women into transgressions from which they will never understand the needfulness of repentance.

    In science fiction, some groups like to talk about a singularity the size of a molecule.

    Around the person coordinating this experiment this will form a point-singularity that draws cursing like lightening in a plasma ball. Project integrity will fail in portions as the cursed are want to do.

    Even if in the end they manage to produce a living neanderthal, a horrific dark cloud that I have no description of will surround the whole thing for all of history.

    That's not 'prophecy' per se, more of a description of 'balancing the scales in the Kingdom.' so this is where God's inertia and gravity is pulling. and the outcome based on likelihood like I was casting probabilities.

    It's an observation.

    I don't understand 'anger' though. If a member of one's family attempts to commit suicide, while anger may be one of the many feelings that boil up, it is unlikely to be one of the primary ones. Maybe anger at one's self for not reaching out to them in time.

    I don't know how to be angry at someone for cursing themselves and everyone they draw in when they do it in ignorance. really. it's just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Hehe does this really piss off religious people? I bet it does
    Why do you have to be religious to believe that using genetic engineering to purposefully create a sub-human species is morally objectionable?

    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    It doesn't piss me off, but it saddens me to know that men will create poor tortured souls like animals in the shape of men, and then with that power seduce women into transgressions from which they will never understand the needfulness of repentance.

    In science fiction, some groups like to talk about a singularity the size of a molecule.

    Around the person coordinating this experiment this will form a point-singularity that draws cursing like lightening in a plasma ball. Project integrity will fail in portions as the cursed are want to do.

    Even if in the end they manage to produce a living neanderthal, a horrific dark cloud that I have no description of will surround the whole thing for all of history.

    That's not 'prophecy' per se, more of a description of 'balancing the scales in the Kingdom.' so this is where God's inertia and gravity is pulling. and the outcome based on likelihood like I was casting probabilities.

    It's an observation.

    I don't understand 'anger' though. If a member of one's family attempts to commit suicide, while anger may be one of the many feelings that boil up, it is unlikely to be one of the primary ones. Maybe anger at one's self for not reaching out to them in time.

    I don't know how to be angry at someone for cursing themselves and everyone they draw in when they do it in ignorance. really. it's just sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    It doesn't piss me off, but it saddens me to know that men will create poor tortured souls like animals in the shape of men, and then with that power seduce women into transgressions from which they will never understand the needfulness of repentance.

    In science fiction, some groups like to talk about a singularity the size of a molecule.

    Around the person coordinating this experiment this will form a point-singularity that draws cursing like lightening in a plasma ball. Project integrity will fail in portions as the cursed are want to do.

    Even if in the end they manage to produce a living neanderthal, a horrific dark cloud that I have no description of will surround the whole thing for all of history.

    That's not 'prophecy' per se
    , more of a description of 'balancing the scales in the Kingdom.' so this is where God's inertia and gravity is pulling. and the outcome based on likelihood like I was casting probabilities.

    It's an observation.

    I don't understand 'anger' though. If a member of one's family attempts to commit suicide, while anger may be one of the many feelings that boil up, it is unlikely to be one of the primary ones. Maybe anger at one's self for not reaching out to them in time.

    I don't know how to be angry at someone for cursing themselves and everyone they draw in when they do it in ignorance. really. it's just sad.
    Actually, that is in line with what prophets traditionally do. These are not type clairvoyants who can divine exactly what will happen in the future. These are people who observe current events and use some sort of reasoning to predict what will happen if things continue as they are. /end ramble
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Hehe does this really piss off religious people? I bet it does
    It pisses me off.
    I'm not religious, I like science...
    But this pisses me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    It pisses me off.
    I'm not religious, I like science...
    But this pisses me off.
    Chill bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    Hehe does this really piss off religious people?
    Do you have to be "religious" to have ethics?

    story from the DailyMail,, but regardless.
    It is an extremely bad idea, even if it was possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Do you have to be "religious" to have ethics?

    story from the DailyMail,, but regardless.
    It is an extremely bad idea, even if it was possible.
    http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresource.../cloning.shtml
    high rates of death, deformity, and disability observed among animal clones
    []

    What are the risks of cloning?

    Reproductive cloning is expensive and highly inefficient. More than 90% of cloning attempts fail to produce viable offspring. More than 100 nuclear transfer procedures could be required to produce one viable clone. In addition to low success rates, cloned animals tend to have more compromised immune function and higher rates of infection, tumor growth, and other disorders. Japanese studies have shown that cloned mice live in poor health and die early. About a third of the cloned calves born alive have died young, and many of them were abnormally large. Many cloned animals have not lived long enough to generate good data about how clones age. Appearing healthy at a young age unfortunately is not a good indicator of long-term survival. Clones have been known to die mysteriously. For example, Australia's first cloned sheep appeared healthy and energetic on the day she died, and the results from her autopsy failed to determine a cause of death.
    In 2002, researchers at the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, reported that the genomes of cloned mice are compromised. In analyzing more than 10,000 liver and placenta cells of cloned mice, they discovered that about 4% of genes function abnormally. The abnormalities do not arise from mutations in the genes but from changes in the normal activation or expression of certain genes.
    Problems also may result from programming errors in the genetic material from a donor cell. When an embryo is created from the union of a sperm and an egg, the embryo receives copies of most genes from both parents. A process called "imprinting" chemically marks the DNA from the mother and father so that only one copy of a gene (either the maternal or paternal gene) is turned on. Defects in the genetic imprint of DNA from a single donor cell may lead to some of the developmental abnormalities of cloned embryos.
    For more details on the risks associated with cloning, see the Cloning Problems links below.
    Should humans be cloned?

    Physicians from the American Medical Association and scientists with the American Association for the Advancement of Science have issued formal public statements advising against human reproductive cloning. The U.S. Congress has considered the passage of legislation that could ban human cloning. See the Policy and Legislation links below.
    Due to the inefficiency of animal cloning (only about 1 or 2 viable offspring for every 100 experiments) and the lack of understanding about reproductive cloning, many scientists and physicians strongly believe that it would be unethical to attempt to clone humans. Not only do most attempts to clone mammals fail, about 30% of clones born alive are affected with "large-offspring syndrome" and other debilitating conditions. Several cloned animals have died prematurely from infections and other complications. The same problems would be expected in human cloning. In addition, scientists do not know how cloning could impact mental development. While factors such as intellect and mood may not be as important for a cow or a mouse, they are crucial for the development of healthy humans. With so many unknowns concerning reproductive cloning, the attempt to clone humans at this time is considered potentially dangerous and ethically irresponsible. See the Cloning Ethics links below for more information about the human cloning debate.

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    Until the government shuts down the study and tries to eliminate the mothers and genetically engineered children. And then one rebel cia officer will kidknap one of the children to save them, but be forced to move into the wilderness and hide out until the child grows strong enough to fight back and ultimately kills Marissa Wiegler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Until the government shuts down the study and tries to eliminate the mothers and genetically engineered children. And then one rebel cia officer will kidknap one of the children to save them, but be forced to move into the wilderness and hide out until the child grows strong enough to fight back and ultimately kills Marissa Wiegler.
    I think I really enjoyed that movie. I think. I'm not sure, though. I need to see it several more times to soak it all in.

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    I thought the story about cloning a mammoth was awesome but cloning a neanderthal gives me moral dilemmas.

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    Why the hell would we want to bring neanderthals back? Jurassic Park and Planet of the Apes IV didn't work out too well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrokHead View Post
    Why the hell would we want to bring neanderthals back? Jurassic Park and Planet of the Apes IV didn't work out too well.
    Exactly.

    Any adventurous women willing to recreate hitler? They have enough of his DNA left to do that one too...


    ...no, not really, but you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveableteddybear View Post
    Exactly.

    Any adventurous women willing to recreate hitler? They have enough of his DNA left to do that one too...


    ...no, not really, but you get the point.
    It's not as if Hitler2 would necessarily go on and kill as many jews as Hitler1. I mean, that wasn't a genetical disorder or something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KrokHead View Post
    Why the hell would we want to bring neanderthals back? Jurassic Park and Planet of the Apes IV didn't work out too well.
    Neanderthals were smart beings, with brain size larger than your typical **** Sapien Sapien. They have also been credited with being the first to assign human life as something special, and so far in our history were some of the first to bury their dead, have "ceremonies" (found remnants of animal bones and goods with buried bodies) or believe that a life is something that should be commemorated.

    It's a shame really - the media has done nothing but make Neanderthals seem like unemotional cavemen... when they were much smarter than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvikalpa View Post
    Neanderthals were smart beings, with brain size larger than your typical **** Sapien Sapien. They have also been credited with being the first to assign human life as something special, and so far in our history were some of the first to bury their dead, have "ceremonies" (found remnants of animal bones and goods with buried bodies) or believe that a life is something that should be commemorated.

    It's a shame really - the media has done nothing but make Neanderthals seem like unemotional cavemen... when they were much smarter than that.
    Yup. They made paintings of subtle beauty and also may have made and played flutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvikalpa View Post
    Neanderthals were smart beings, with brain size larger than your typical **** Sapien Sapien. They have also been credited with being the first to assign human life as something special, and so far in our history were some of the first to bury their dead, have "ceremonies" (found remnants of animal bones and goods with buried bodies) or believe that a life is something that should be commemorated.

    It's a shame really - the media has done nothing but make Neanderthals seem like unemotional cavemen... when they were much smarter than that.
    You should make the next blockbuster that shows the trials and tribulations of neanderthal life.

    Give me a break. People are willing to say that the government will hide their latest technological advancements from us, but they never consider the idea that the evolutionary bull$#@! we're being fed in school and on the media is bull$#@! precisely because it's streamed through the schools and media.

    Neanderthals were normal people. Of course, everyone has to make it so complicated because they're trying to demonstrate their knowledge of the evolution fairy tale by using words like "**** sapien sapien" which is just a made up term. This whole thread is bull$#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    You should make the next blockbuster that shows the trials and tribulations of neanderthal life.

    Give me a break. People are willing to say that the government will hide their latest technological advancements from us, but they never consider the idea that the evolutionary bull$#@! we're being fed in school and on the media is bull$#@! precisely because it's streamed through the schools and media.

    Neanderthals were normal people. Of course, everyone has to make it so complicated because they're trying to demonstrate their knowledge of the evolution fairy tale by using words like "**** sapien sapien" which is just a made up term. This whole thread is bull$#@!.
    No it's not. It's proper scientific nomenclature. Taxonomy is boring and complicated, but it's a real part of science.
    The full nomenclature for **** sapien:
    Familia: Hominidae
    Subfamilia: Homininae
    Tribus: Hominini
    Subtribus: Hominina
    Genus: ****
    Species: **** sapiens
    Subspecies: **** sapiens sapiens
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    No it's not. It's proper scientific nomenclature. Taxonomy is boring and complicated, but it's a real part of science.
    The full nomenclature for **** sapien:
    Familia: Hominidae
    Subfamilia: Homininae
    Tribus: Hominini
    Subtribus: Hominina
    Genus: ****
    Species: **** sapiens
    Subspecies: **** sapiens sapiens
    All of taxonomy is bull$#@!. It's based on the assumption that all organisms are related. The word **** sapien sapien doesn't come from any tangible difference between humans now and humans in the 19th century or whatever. It's a fiction that scientists came up to reinforce the notion that we are changing somehow by giving it a different name. Yeah, we're the "wise, wise human". How do we reinforce the idea that humans are evolving? Just tack another wise on and all of a sudden, the population eats that $#@! up because they like the idea that we're evolving too, but it's all in their heads.
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    Wonder if he'd get some kind of special minority status?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expatriate View Post
    Wonder if he'd get some kind of special minority status?
    Or if the state will hit this mad scientist up for child support?
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    Neanderthal DNA is still around:

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    I've seen stranger looking blokes than this every day of my life

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    A people that will finally believe in Keynesianism and work their whole lives for paper?

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    I am not religious at all,but I think that we should have some boundaries.Just because we can do something does not mean that we should.

    Also I don't see why we would bring such a creature to life, for our amusement so we can lock him up in a cage and trow food at him? or so he can be the perfect slave ?smart and strong enough to work hard manual work but not smart enough to regard him as anything more than an animal.I bet that two of them would fight real nice to the death in a ring for our amusement

    What he wants to do is the equivalent of a mother and father could pick what kind of a kid they would want and choosing a mentally challenged kid with superior physical abilities,which is kind of sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    I am not religious at all,but I think that we should have some boundaries.Just because we can do something does not mean that we should.

    Also I don't see why we would bring such a creature to life, for our amusement so we can lock him up in a cage and trow food at him? or so he can be the perfect slave ?smart and strong enough to work hard manual work but not smart enough to regard him as anything more than an animal.I bet that two of them would fight real nice to the death in a ring for our amusement

    What he wants to do is the equivalent of a mother and father could pick what kind of a kid they would want and choosing a mentally challenged kid with superior physical abilities,which is kind of sick.
    I know right!!! But i don't know if neanderthals where that stupid. They just lost. Maybe they are reasonably intelligent. Then all those gico commercials would be real. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carehn View Post
    I know right!!! But i don't know if neanderthals where that stupid. They just lost. Maybe they are reasonably intelligent. Then all those gico commercials would be real. lol
    That is the point of the slave argument.They were smart enough to use simple tools but never amounted to anything more + were much bigger and stronger.That lack of intelligence would make people look up on them as animals rather than humans.Every bull$#@! slave owners made up about their slaves just to dehumanize them in the eyes of the general populations for this creature it would be fact,the perfect slave.

    Either slaves or amusement ,there is no other option.Even if they would somehow have an intelligence close to one of a human because of the human DNA of a woman,we today can not yet reconcile the difference of skin color let alone having a species that has totally different physical characteristics that can compete with us.The time before someone starts demanding their extermination can be measured in minutes.God forbid they get a country.
    Last edited by Demigod; 01-21-2013 at 02:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    That is the point of the slave argument.They were smart enough to use simple tools but never amounted to anything more + were much bigger and stronger.That lack of intelligence would make people look up on them as animals rather than humans.Every bull$#@! slave owners made up about their slaves just to dehumanize them in the eyes of the general populations for this creature it would be fact,the perfect slave.

    Either slaves or amusement ,there is no other option.Even if they would somehow have an intelligence close to one of a human because of the human DNA of a woman,we today can not yet reconcile the difference of skin color let alone having a species that has totally different physical characteristics that can compete with us.The time before someone starts demanding their extermination can be measured in minutes.God forbid they get a country.
    Our species is clearly dominant. I don't know how we as humans would handle another intelligent species. I know how I would respond. Just like I do with other humans. and animals mind you. I just know that dealing with a dog does not demand much reasoning but demands much respect. like any other animal or human. Its odd to think about.
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