70-year-old Charity Told to Stop Feeding Homeless in Seattle

[sgt150]

Robbed of their land? Is that how the parks system was established? (Besides the Indians)

I think you need to learn you some history.

Well, that's what is happening now and it is aided by the mindset of people like you. Guess it'll be fine for people like you since you get to enjoy a government-guarded nature preserve though when you're a power slave.

[UWDude]

Well, that's what is happening now...

So? I was talking about the park system.

and it is aided by the mindset of people like you....

"You should love Agenda 21 then. Lots of people being robbed...."

Oh, I get it. You project a mindset onto me, then you claim that is my mindset, then you tell me the mindset you projected onto me is a slave mindset.

Are you proud of yourself? Do you feel superior now? You made a strawman all by yourself, and changed the topic to fit your little argument. Instead of the National Park System, we are talking about Agenda 21. Pat yourself on the back, give yourself a handshake.

And I say this in all seriousness:
Please let your ideas on the park system be loud and clear. People need to know people like you exist.

[sgt150]

Oh, I get it. You project a mindset onto me, then you claim that is my mindset, then you tell me the mindset you projected onto me is a slave mindset.

Are you proud of yourself? Do you feel superior now? You made a strawman all by yourself, and changed the topic to fit your little argument. Instead of the National Park System, we are talking about Agenda 21. Pat yourself on the back, give yourself a handshake.

And I say this in all seriousness:
Please let your ideas on the park system be loud and clear. People need to know people like you exist.

Your words speak for themselves. You got a hard on at a park once upon a time and now you extol the virtues of state owned property. Nobody can preserve nature quite like the state, according to you. It's this type of asinine talk that enables state powergrabs like Agenda 21 to happen. Get over your own biases and quit spewing bullshit, champ.

[UWDude]

Your words speak for themselves. You got a hard on at a park once upon a time and now you extol the virtues of state owned property. Nobody can preserve nature quite like the state, according to you. It's this type of asinine talk that enables state powergrabs like Agenda 21 to happen. Get over your own biases and quit spewing bullshit, champ.

Go fuck yourself, champ.

[Danke]

Go fuck yourself, champ.

Uncalled for. Closing thread.

[BAllen]

I just brought it up as a question. I believe free market capitalism works, it's just rarely free. If we had a free market system, housing prices would have already adjusted to the lower wages of Americans, and probably be about 1/3 of their current pricing. I was just curious how the free market could allow those places to be accessible to non wealthy people, since the supply of those desirable areas is so limited, unlike regular housing in the entire country. There's only so much space in the market for mountains, lakes, and rivers. This limited supply makes the property a perpetually high priced item, doesn't it?

[idiom]

I just brought it up as a question. I believe free market capitalism works, it's just rarely free. If we had a free market system, housing prices would have already adjusted to the lower wages of Americans, and probably be about 1/3 of their current pricing. I was just curious how the free market could allow those places to be accessible to non wealthy people, since the supply of those desirable areas is so limited, unlike regular housing in the entire country. There's only so much space in the market for mountains, lakes, and rivers. This limited supply makes the property a perpetually high priced item, doesn't it?

Not if you are buying a small time share in a national park....

[Acala]

OK. More libertarian utopia drivel that I once actually tried to sell.
The notion of privately owned parks is ridiculous.
And if parks are funded through fees, there is nothing wrong with them.
But a government is far more reliable to keep a park unspoiled than a corporation.
And once a park is spoiled, it can be impossible to restore.

read about Pennsylvania. William Pitt set it up as a wonderful utopia.
Then his son inherited it, and was already on the edge of debt.
By the time his son was done running it, it was just like every other colony.



Where did you get the idea that destroying land for profit was a human right?

Government is the worst steward of property. National forest and BLM land are clearcut, strip mined, overgrazed, sprayed with herbicide, and abused in every way by those with the political clout to get special privileges and no interest in the long-term health of the resource.

[Acala]

I just brought it up as a question. I believe free market capitalism works, it's just rarely free. If we had a free market system, housing prices would have already adjusted to the lower wages of Americans, and probably be about 1/3 of their current pricing. I was just curious how the free market could allow those places to be accessible to non wealthy people, since the supply of those desirable areas is so limited, unlike regular housing in the entire country. There's only so much space in the market for mountains, lakes, and rivers. This limited supply makes the property a perpetually high priced item, doesn't it?

I'm not sure the supply is that limited, given the demand. Even when heavily subsidized, with a few exceptions, Federal park and forest land is barely used by hikers and campers. Vast millions of acres never see a soul. Not really a very efficient use of the resource.

But if you assume that the supply is very limited, that is MORE reason to allow markets to allocate them. Markets are REALLY good at allocating resources to meet consumer needs. If it were the case that people who like camping happened to all be really poor, and therefore unable to express a demand for camping facilities, then it is true that the market would turn those resources to other uses. But so what? The poor can't afford private airplanes either, but there is no call for government to provide them.

It is really easy to look to government to force our values on others. But it isn't right.

[UWDude]

Government is the worst steward of property. National forest and BLM land are clearcut, strip mined, overgrazed, sprayed with herbicide, and abused in every way by those with the political clout to get special privileges and no interest in the long-term health of the resource.

Now you are talking about forest and BLM land.
I am talking about parks. Are you going to tell me national parks are mismanaged?
Come to some West Coast natural national parks.

If it were the case that people who like camping happened to all be really poor, and therefore unable to express a demand for camping facilities, then it is true that the market would turn those resources to other uses. But so what?

This is the problem with pure Libertarianism.
It assumes the only important thing is efficient use of resources for economic reasons.